teknoman2 Posted September 18, 2014 Posted September 18, 2014 for once obsidian got a bug right The words freedom and liberty, are diminishing the true meaning of the abstract concept they try to explain. The true nature of freedom is such, that the human mind is unable to comprehend it, so we make a cage and name it freedom in order to give a tangible meaning to what we dont understand, just as our ancestors made gods like Thor or Zeus to explain thunder. -Teknoman2- What? You thought it was a quote from some well known wise guy from the past? Stupidity leads to willful ignorance - willful ignorance leads to hope - hope leads to sex - and that is how a new generation of fools is born! We are hardcore role players... When we go to bed with a girl, we roll a D20 to see if we hit the target and a D6 to see how much penetration damage we did. Modern democracy is: the sheep voting for which dog will be the shepherd's right hand.
swordofthesith Posted September 18, 2014 Posted September 18, 2014 Signed, for the sheer awesomeness that this bug represents. +1
redneckdevil Posted September 18, 2014 Posted September 18, 2014 Well, you get +15 Accuracy for using a 1H weapon without anything in the other hand. So presumably, if this were implemented as a full feature (AS IT SHOULD BE ), that Accuracy bonus wouldn't be present when using this system. You'd also (presumably) get the extra 1s of recovery time since you're not dual wielding. Not sure how it works at the moment though. That'd be a more than decent tradeoff though. Missing out on 15 Accuracy for the sake of an opening salvo - it'd be UP, but who cares? It'd be fun. It sounds pretty crappy to me and would go against their no bad builds ethos. It would pretty much be a trap. I still say they should fix the bug (since its dumb; no real pirate would hold on to his pistol for the duration of a battle after he has fired his shot). Again, they can mechanically implement the style through the existing quick weapon slot system and some quick draw like talents for switching between one handed melee or ranged weapons when nothing is in the offhand. How exactly would this be a bad build? How wouldthis stop you from completing the game? Now remember the "no bad builds" wasnt that every build will be good, the "no bad builds" would mean u could beat the game with any build. Not that that this build isnt as damaging as another build. roleplaying aspects i wouldnt care if there was a minus, u would start the combat out strong and with style and then slash away screaming YARR! This shouldnt be considered a bug at all, what they should consider is trying to reload and getting stuck in the animation in combat the bug, not the ability to duel weild a pistol and sabre.
Shevek Posted September 19, 2014 Posted September 19, 2014 It seems pretty dumb to me. I would be much happier if they put in talents to approximate the style (allowing one handed weapons to be swapped at no penalty when nothing is in the offhand) rather than just perpetuate a style that has you hold a useless weapon after its been fired. Again, a pirate would holster his pistol after firing it during a boarding action (to focus on the use if his cutlass/boarding axe/cuttoe/knife/whatever). Unless you are roleplaying a drunken idiot at the Renaissance Pleasure Faire, then this is stupid. 1
Jitawa Posted September 19, 2014 Posted September 19, 2014 There was something similar to this in Wizardry 7 or so, since it added muskets/blunderbuss weapons. The former could be equipped in the offhand, but only held a single shot; the latter was primary only, but held two shots. The pistols didn't auto-reload, so once you shot your... load, you were out of ammo, and any additional attacks you might've had in that slot didn't happen until you took a turn to reload. So, it worked ok for short encounters or with characters that were attacking from the back-lines that wouldn't be able to take advantage of multiple attacks with an offhand (etc.) too. It was effectively a very situational thing, though you could sometimes justify having a character with dual pistols (that had to reload every other round) on account of the fairly high damage and crit potential. Wizardry 8 made reloading firearms an automatic function iirc, which made the trade-off a non-issue for the most part.
GreyFox Posted September 19, 2014 Posted September 19, 2014 I would definitely use a pistol in the off hand on a rogue type character and a rapier/cutless haha that'd be great.
Lillyhime Posted October 25, 2014 Posted October 25, 2014 I don't know if this has been "fixed" or not, but since I can actually play the beta now I was wondering where can I find a pistol?
Sensuki Posted October 25, 2014 Author Posted October 25, 2014 (edited) One of the guys trying to get the Drake Egg has one, otherwise you can cheat one in with this console command additem pistol_fine 1 Edited October 25, 2014 by Sensuki 1
Sensuki Posted October 25, 2014 Author Posted October 25, 2014 Well at least in the last version you could, looks like they removed the additem cheat :/
Lillyhime Posted October 25, 2014 Posted October 25, 2014 yeah. D: I tried it earlier and it didn't work, I had assumed I was doing something wrong. Oh well, I'll just try and get it through normal means.
Messier-31 Posted March 17, 2015 Posted March 17, 2015 Sorry for a thread-bumb, but where are we standing with this one? It would be of small avail to talk of magic in the air...
Luckmann Posted March 17, 2015 Posted March 17, 2015 Sorry for a thread-bumb, but where are we standing with this one? That's a serious necro. But yeah, not sure what you expect that wasn't covered on the first page. It was a bug and it's been fixed. Unfortunately. I would have loved to shoot once with my off-hand and then gone into melee as a duelist (one-handed weapon fighting). 1
Shdy314 Posted March 17, 2015 Posted March 17, 2015 (edited) Considering how often gamers have heard "it's not a bug it's a feature" it makes me sad to think something that is (for once) honestly described by that statement has been removed. Edited March 17, 2015 by Shdy314 1
Osvir Posted March 17, 2015 Posted March 17, 2015 Well, it's not entirely gone.Put a one-handed weapon in the 1st weapon slots, and put a gun in the 2nd weapon slots. Pirate!Because the weapon not equipped will still be visible on the character (I tend to put a torch in the other weapon slot because it looks cool :D) 2
Osvir Posted March 17, 2015 Posted March 17, 2015 (edited) Nice one Sensuki, but it's not the Cutlass+Gun Pirate type, I view that more like a Gunslinger "Pirate" type (which is pretty rad too :D) Edited March 17, 2015 by Osvir
Gairnulf Posted March 17, 2015 Posted March 17, 2015 (edited) This should definitely be in. I just wonder what should the acc penalty be, to the main hand. Can't be the same as for dual wielding. Edited March 17, 2015 by Gairnulf 1 A Custom Editor for Deadfire's Data:
mrmonocle Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) Currently you can use a pistol with a melee weapon. At the start of combat you fire the pistol, then attack with your melee weapon in the other hand. Apparently this is a bug? (I think) THIS SHOULD BE A FEATURE FIGHT FOR PIRATE STYLE PISTOL OPENERS EVERYONE FUN > BANALCE The pistol + shield thing is actually a bug. All guns are supposed to be two-handed. How about a firearm shot as a per encounter ability available only if you've got a formerly 1h firearm equipped in the second weap slot? (personally i'd go for a blunderbuss shot). It would make an overwhelmingly stylish encounter opener. Edited March 18, 2015 by mrmonocle I see the dreams so marvelously sad The creeks of land so solid and encrusted Where wave and tide against the shore is busted While chanting by the moonlit twilight's bed trees (of Twin Elms) could use more of Magran's touch © Durance
Shevek Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 You could have a pistol in one quick weapon slot and a sabre or rapier in the other.
Grotesque Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 You could have a pistol in one quick weapon slot and a sabre or rapier in the other. but the looks! After my realization that White March has the same XP reward problem, I don't even have the drive to launch game anymore because I hated so much reaching Twin Elms with a level cap in vanilla PoE that I don't wish to relive that experience.
vsanders Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 Honestly, I was a little sad to see dual-pistol leave the game, too. I know it wasn't practical, but it fit my vision for one of my characters. Always sucks to lose an option. /signed 1
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