Forlorn Hope Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 (edited) http://www.collegehu...m/picture/54286 King Henry VIII was a "great" man http://oxthep.../img.../img_1446ed.jpg and an interesting read:http://suite1...le-ages-a321942 Maybe I'm a little off-topic now... Edited October 22, 2012 by Forlorn Hope 1 "Maybe your grandiose vocabulary is a pathetic compensation for an insufficiency in the nether regions of your anatomy."
Elerond Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 Hey guys, I hear 70 year old members of monastic traditions aren't all built like Bruce Lee and spend their time stripped half naked and flexing their muscles. Where do I sign up to rage? That is good place to start http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/61020-the-monk-class/ 1
Margaretha Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 Hey guys, I hear 70 year old members of monastic traditions aren't all built like Bruce Lee and spend their time stripped half naked and flexing their muscles. Where do I sign up to rage? Yes indeed, there is no sexism when games depict half naked 70 years old Bruce Lee. What was your point?
Forlorn Hope Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 http://www.flickr.co...geon/445978342/ And yet that would not endanger the wearer...ignoring the fact he's probably compensating and can't actually fill it out. I kid I kid. I think you're not too far from the truth! "Maybe your grandiose vocabulary is a pathetic compensation for an insufficiency in the nether regions of your anatomy."
Hormalakh Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 lol look at you guys go.... even after you said there is a whole bunch of threads on this... nice troll OP 3 My blog is where I'm keeping a record of all of my suggestions and bug mentions. http://hormalakh.blogspot.com/ UPDATED 9/26/2014 My DXdiag: http://hormalakh.blogspot.com/2014/08/beta-begins-v257.html
kenup Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 Now, how much do we need to troll in order to close it down? 1
Monte Carlo Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 Bwahahaahaahahaaaaaa * Twirls moustache * Srsly leave it and don't troll. It confines these type of discussions in one easy to manage thread. It seems that folks will happily fight the kulturkampf over this all day.
Rostere Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 Now, how much do we need to troll in order to close it down? I hate how this is the stated intent of quite some amount of trolls. Trolling threads in order to get them closed should be a bannable offense. The grouping together of different sorts of people is also crazy. All I want is female armour which I won't have to laugh at, and female character models which reveals some knowledge of basic anatomy. This is (to varying degrees) a problem in so many games which would be SO EASY to correct. This was handled quite well in Arcanum and also in ToEE if I remember right. I care NOTHING for political correctness, and I especially don't want any romance in the game. The pubescent basement dwellers who want this to be some hentai cartoon with silly, skimpy armor and fantastical body proportions can go play that kind of games instead. Give us real women and realistic armour, please. 2 "Well, overkill is my middle name. And my last name. And all of my other names as well!"
DocDoomII Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 (edited) Now, how much do we need to troll in order to close it down? I hate how this is the stated intent of quite some amount of trolls. Trolling threads in order to get them closed should be a bannable offense. The grouping together of different sorts of people is also crazy. All I want is female armour which I won't have to laugh at, and female character models which reveals some knowledge of basic anatomy. This is (to varying degrees) a problem in so many games which would be SO EASY to correct. This was handled quite well in Arcanum and also in ToEE if I remember right. I care NOTHING for political correctness, and I especially don't want any romance in the game. The pubescent basement dwellers who want this to be some hentai cartoon with silly, skimpy armor and fantastical body proportions can go play that kind of games instead. Give us real women and realistic armour, please. No, you see, we are way past that argument. We are trying to understand if the rapid respawn of this kind of topics is a troll attempt by a real "WhiteKnight" faction, or the "Anti-WhiteKnight" faction. In either case, everyone that is taking seriously the matter has exposed his/her position like 10 times already and the subject has become stale. So the only reasonable thing is to derail the topic to try and stop the generalized "WhiteKnight" vs "Anti-WhiteKnight" trolling that would otherwise end in a "you are all uber feminist. stop removing boobs from my games" Edited October 22, 2012 by DocDoomII 2 Do you think Pillars of Eternity doesn't have enough Portraits? Submit your vote in this Poll!
Badmojo Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 It's funny how controversial this subject seems to be to some people. I'm one of the people who are very tired of the oversexualization of women in video games, because it usualy makes little sense. It is very one dimensional. Unimaginative etc. It is fine for sexy characters. For example succubi or prostitutes. But as default, no thank you. Personally, I want diversity. Both it appearance and personality. I want beautiful, pretty, plain, ugly and hideous characters of both genders. Having plain looking people will also enhance the beautiful as well as the ugly. Which is awesome in my opinion. So there, that's my 2 cents. No politics needed. One post and this is posted? Another forum sock puppet.
Tale Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 So the only reasonable thing is to derail the topic The reasonable thing to do is to ignore the thread if it bothers you so much. Other people do want to discuss it. 1 "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater."
kenup Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 (edited) The pubescent basement dwellers who want this to be some hentai cartoon with silly, skimpy armor and fantastical body proportions can go play that kind of games instead. Give us real women and realistic armour, please. Nobody cares about that. The problem is, the topic keeps popping up. Edited October 22, 2012 by kenup
DocDoomII Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 So the only reasonable thing is to derail the topic The reasonable thing to do is to ignore the thread if it bothers you so much. Other people do want to discuss it. Tale I would gladly discuss it normally, if it didn't end all the time with a "stop being bigot, I want boobs in my games" 1 Do you think Pillars of Eternity doesn't have enough Portraits? Submit your vote in this Poll!
Malcador Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 It's going to be a long year. 1 Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
Monte Carlo Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 I am going dark for a little while to rustle up some awesome memes for this thread. Please dont get it shut down. 1
Amentep Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 (edited) It's going to be a long year. But it could be a very good year! OBTopic - personally I think the NPCs should be designed to look like they should look for what the game/setting/lore supports. I'm for the PC to have options, however I think with limited time / budget the best options to focus on are the realistic ones. Edited October 22, 2012 by Amentep I cannot - yet I must. How do you calculate that? At what point on the graph do "must" and "cannot" meet? Yet I must - but I cannot! ~ Ro-Man
Badmojo Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 (edited) So the only reasonable thing is to derail the topic The reasonable thing to do is to ignore the thread if it bothers you so much. Other people do want to discuss it. You CAN'T ignore it, it is top of the forum page EVERY-SINGLE-DAY and the VERY TITLE is a political advertising stance to one groups view. It is obviously being created by a group who are using sock puppet techniques which is TROLLING by any other definition. This is only distracting and preventing actual game improvement/idea discussion and DIVIDING the community. Also, EVERYTHING HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID. What possible new thing can be said? What? Can anybody name me a single new thing that has not been covered a bazillion times already? Here, let me summarize every single thread - boobarmour is stupid - no its not - yes it is, its unrealistic - its a fictional universe, and women Armour never existed so how do you know its unrealistic - it is oversexualizing the female form, games made primarily for men should not discriminate and be open for women - 0_o wait, what? what is wrong with having attractive women in a game, many of us liked it and the game is being made for the old school group which will be the vast majority male. - you sexist misogynist pig! - you sad pathetic white knight princess saving troll! - then it really goes down hill from there till the thread closes. Then ANOTHER thread pops up continuing this one particular groups view point. Like I said, this is not about game design or improving the game, this is about shoving a political agenda in peoples throats. I am saddened the mods seem fine letting one political view dominate the forum. If people want to discuss it, there is an Way off topic forum for it. Edited October 22, 2012 by Badmojo 2
Monte Carlo Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 Yes, the sock-puppetry is pretty obvious to me. On both sides I suspect. 3
Attero Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 You see what you want to see. Want realism ? Then all physical classes would basicly use same models for female and male armor with just different faces, i think devs would like that too as it would be fewer models to make. Only for mental classes female features are not in the way when fighting (not as much at least) so those could be more "female". I just question one's sanity when asking for realism in fantasy ... I dont think there is any rpg with oversexualisation and looking at Obsidian history it wont be problem here. They will aim for what pleases general public most and i belive bulges in heavy armor are overally accepted even when they make no sense both from body build perspective and fact that plate armor was never tight fit. Extremes can hopefully use mods to suit game to their taste.
Margaretha Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 (edited) Apart from the troll discussion ("you're the troll, no you, no I am, let's be trolls, ow what a troll, did you smell that ? that's a..."), maybewe could... what about we talk about feminine outfits in P:E? I still have no answer about the chest protection for an archer. A detail that makes all the difference, I'd say. (Badmojo, everything will be alright. Think of your blood pressure) Edited October 22, 2012 by Margaretha
Hellfell Posted October 22, 2012 Author Posted October 22, 2012 (edited) In P:E, if I go to a "pleasure house", I want female npcs there to look like prostitutes and be sexy because it makes sense. If I go and fight a group of mercenaries, i want female mercenary enemies to look like fighters. That's what I expect to see in P:E. this Edited October 22, 2012 by Hellfell 2 Only boring people get bored
Rostere Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 Now, how much do we need to troll in order to close it down? I hate how this is the stated intent of quite some amount of trolls. Trolling threads in order to get them closed should be a bannable offense. The grouping together of different sorts of people is also crazy. All I want is female armour which I won't have to laugh at, and female character models which reveals some knowledge of basic anatomy. This is (to varying degrees) a problem in so many games which would be SO EASY to correct. This was handled quite well in Arcanum and also in ToEE if I remember right. I care NOTHING for political correctness, and I especially don't want any romance in the game. The pubescent basement dwellers who want this to be some hentai cartoon with silly, skimpy armor and fantastical body proportions can go play that kind of games instead. Give us real women and realistic armour, please. No, you see, we are way past that argument. We are trying to understand if the rapid respawn of this kind of topics is a troll attempt by a real "WhiteKnight" faction, or the "Anti-WhiteKnight" faction. In either case, everyone that is taking seriously the matter has exposed his/her position like 10 times already and the subject has become stale. So the only reasonable thing is to derail the topic to try and stop the generalized "WhiteKnight" vs "Anti-WhiteKnight" trolling that would otherwise end in a "you are all uber feminist. stop removing boobs from my games" I haven't seen a single person write that they don't want to see nudity in the game. On the other hand, lots of people think that when nudity occurs, it's often unrealistic and fan service to male gamers (which it often is, duh). I'd rather not see any fan service at all to any gender or sexual orientation, or any (partial) nudity which is there only for the sake of it. I honesly can't think of many places nudity (since this is NOT a voyeur simulator) would really be fitting in a serious RPG but I will try to come up with a few: Naked victims of a massacre/murder/genocide (maybe they were raped, or stripped of their clothes for humiliation) Naked tribesmen of a primitive civilization "Naked" magical creatures, such as demons, fey, et.c. Other than these, I've really hard to see where nudity would fit in any sensible way... 2 "Well, overkill is my middle name. And my last name. And all of my other names as well!"
ImRhoven Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 (edited) You see what you want to see. Want realism ? Then all physical classes would basicly use same models for female and male armor with just different faces, i think devs would like that too as it would be fewer models to make. Only for mental classes female features are not in the way when fighting (not as much at least) so those could be more "female". I just question one's sanity when asking for realism in fantasy ... I dont think there is any rpg with oversexualisation and looking at Obsidian history it wont be problem here. They will aim for what pleases general public most and i belive bulges in heavy armor are overally accepted even when they make no sense both from body build perspective and fact that plate armor was never tight fit. Extremes can hopefully use mods to suit game to their taste. This "You want realism in a fantasy?! LOLOL!!" argument is really dumb and tiresome. People, or at least I, don't want realism, they want internal consistency. If you can't tell the difference between those, go read a dictionary. And yes, exactly, all classes and genders should use similar armor models. Why would it be any different? Plenty of games have that, from BG to Skyrim. Edited October 22, 2012 by ImRhoven 1
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