Sex and Romance Poll

[Progressive_Stupidity]

I vote #1, since no one else had, but certainly I want #3 as well.

 

So inclusiveness and depth, yes?

 

Essentially what I was thinking.

[JayDGee]

An actual romance would be interesting as its something that almost never happens in gaming. Instead we have a persistent hero hound and npc for sex until they eventually give in.

 

That isn't romance.

[Treantsin]

I do not want Mr. or Mrs. Daddy Issues to love me because I solve their Daddy Issues.

I want to love a character through their "character defining maladie" (looking at you: Carth, Bastila, Thane, Miranda, Annah, Morrigan) * and see them enjoying my company, and have me able to enjoy theirs, with no one 'right option' in starting and continuing a romance with them.

 

Like with Lily in Kawata Shoujo, for example.

Yes, she was blind.

No, this could not be solved through my character's pen*s.

Yes, my character and her flirted occasionally over slice of life matters, and over issues brought up during Gameplay.

Eventually, with more than trinary Hate/Love/Neutral options, ( though Kawata is plagued with them,) Lily and my character enjoyed each other's company.

 

See also: Mass Effect 3 character interactions.

 

 

If Romance is in this game at all, make it slightly more non-linear than the dialogue wheels of the past have had it be.

i.e. from Planescape Torment:

[

I love you.

I do not love you.

I am insulting your parentage and making you angry, negating any chance of us being any more than fellow questers.

]

 

I liked the Handmaiden's love, for we bonded over the force, and the teachings of Kreia as much as we bonded over her little Atris problem.

I liked Atton having things to do with me apart from flirting, such as snark and hatred of the people around me.

 

* Characters named as examples not to follow, not as characters Obsidian had influence over.

[pseudonymous]

Romances should be realistic.

 

That 15 minute tryst with a harlot in a dark alley should lead to intelligence draining syphilis and eventual death.

That schmoozing of the Noble's Daughter should lead to an armed escort back to her place where you are shackled with 18 years of responsibility, a forced marriage, and the victory of the antagonist in the game world because you couldn't keep your pants on.

 

Barring that, don't do them at all.

[irishScott]

I want romances that make sense and contribute to the plot. I don't care if there's sex or not, I don't care if any romance at all or not. But it should make sense and if it is included it shouldn't be artificially limited.

 

Example: The romance between Aragorn and Arwen. It's there, you know about it, but it doesn't really show up for most of LOTR. Why not? Because Aragorn's off saving the world and elven booty can wait.

 

Alternate Example: The Witcher 2, where Triss and Geralt's relationship and corresponding sexuality is established and very much part of their characters. It contributes to them, and it makes sense. The tall, brawny, heroic guys and strong, adventurous women usually have high levels of testosterone. How many chaste atheletes do you know? How many chaste soldiers?

 

A note about sex:

If it makes sense for the romantic partners to have sex (ex: a developed attachment to a member of your party who's save your life and so forth), then they should have sex. Visibly. I know it's isometric but you can do something decent. Fade-to-black was old in the 70s, and just reeks of condescension (oh, this isn't fit for your eyes) and/or laziness. We've been told this is going to be an M rated game. I'm not asking for The Witcher 2 levels (unless they make sense) but for the love of God if you're going to put sex in it don't hold back, unless you intend this game for teenagers.

 

 

Bottom line, **** should make sense. I don't care if there's any romance at all, but its inclusion or absence should make sense.

[evdk]

Well you can accidentally romance someone by picking dialogue options trying to be nice to a traumatized party member without realizing you're starting a romance that will end up with an elven baby in your inventory.

 

You should play Dragon's Dogma then. >.> Any quest you do despite being male or female has the NPC falling in love with you. Now THAT is having no choice in the matter. XD

 

What about the billions who think it's simply waste of time and money with a project this small?

 

What about the trillions, nay, gazillions, NAY! INFINITYONS! That want it?!?!?!

 

Joking aside, with these extended goals you don't find it anywhere where it might be added? I mean think about it as well, wouldn't a nice loving companion be welcomed in your group? Most games are adding romance options now since it seems to be such a welcome addition which draws a lot of customers despite the naysers.

The thing is what kind of costumers? I am sure adding gritty over the shoulder camera and cover shooting mechanics might draw CoD fans too. Let's do this, it will make trillions! SLAMDUNK!

 

Are you commenting just for the sake of commenting? What he mentioned is perfectly viable in a RPG Obsidian is aiming for and based on the games the draw inspiration from. The nonsense you mentioned is not.

You are right, most games are adding romance options now (please disregard they are all bellow bodice ripper level, everyone is doing it) so we should dedicate resources better spent elsewhere so we could have some in PE. How could I have been so blind?

[Carmentis]

Well you can accidentally romance someone by picking dialogue options trying to be nice to a traumatized party member without realizing you're starting a romance that will end up with an elven baby in your inventory.

 

You should play Dragon's Dogma then. >.> Any quest you do despite being male or female has the NPC falling in love with you. Now THAT is having no choice in the matter. XD

 

What about the billions who think it's simply waste of time and money with a project this small?

 

What about the trillions, nay, gazillions, NAY! INFINITYONS! That want it?!?!?!

 

Joking aside, with these extended goals you don't find it anywhere where it might be added? I mean think about it as well, wouldn't a nice loving companion be welcomed in your group? Most games are adding romance options now since it seems to be such a welcome addition which draws a lot of customers despite the naysers.

The thing is what kind of costumers? I am sure adding gritty over the shoulder camera and cover shooting mechanics might draw CoD fans too. Let's do this, it will make trillions! SLAMDUNK!

 

Are you commenting just for the sake of commenting? What he mentioned is perfectly viable in a RPG Obsidian is aiming for and based on the games the draw inspiration from. The nonsense you mentioned is not.

You are right, most games are adding romance options now (please disregard they are all bellow bodice ripper level, everyone is doing it) so we should dedicate resources better spent elsewhere so we could have some in PE. How could I have been so blind?

 

Okay, so your saying that games like Fire Emblem for the 3DS and Harvest Moon and all that are 'boddice rippers' as you so eloquintly put it should take out the romance options despite being a big factor in it? Fire Emblem has as well for the 3DS since the inclusion of My Unit and the generations with romance options been the highest selling one to date.

 

What? You want a game where it will stroke your ego and your the hero and everyone sings your praises and everyone idolizes you and no 'true' love? Awww, does someone have attention issues?

 

Romance is everywhere, romance inspires, romance ALSO has a dark side; ie, jealousy, obsession and all that which could add a whole LOT to a game.

[Enclave]

I want Baldur's Gate style romances. They were actually well done there and made the characters more real and gave them more depth.

 

Also, sure, include homosexual romance, what do I care?

Edited September 17, 2012 by Enclave

[evdk]

 

 

Okay, so your saying that games like Fire Emblem for the 3DS and Harvest Moon and all that are 'boddice rippers' as you so eloquintly put it should take out the romance options despite being a big factor in it? Fire Emblem has as well for the 3DS since the inclusion of My Unit and the generations with romance options been the highest selling one to date.

 

What? You want a game where it will stroke your ego and your the hero and everyone sings your praises and everyone idolizes you and no 'true' love? Awww, does someone have attention issues?

 

Romance is everywhere, romance inspires, romance ALSO has a dark side; ie, jealousy, obsession and all that which could add a whole LOT to a game.

The hell do console TBS games (and whatever Harvest Moon is, I never could tell) have to do with PE? And if anything is massively ego stroking in modern games it's the romances and all the player sexual characters who see you as the centre of their otherwise pathetic worlds. Coincidentally I do not remember this "dark side of relationships" ever explored in wRPGs. Do tell.

[silvercross]

And what about " lots of muscles and hot guys- kind of romance" option for girls??? I just want to play female character with harem of hot guys in my team XD

Can't believe you're the only one that posted that so far. Most of the options makes too many assumptions and gives little leeway. This poll is awful. (So awful I bolded it.)

[AdaMusic]

I vote all of the above actually. There's no reason why any of the options given need to be mutually exclusive. Also please remember that romance (and sex) are and always have been exactly that; an option.

 

Well.. if noone have sex, how should the human race survive?

 

I don't really care.. sometimes I like romance in games. Makes it more believeable if the relationship between the characters is such.

Don't really care for sex in a game though. Mabe just a dark screen for 500 ms and then some baloons popping out or w/e.

[Carmentis]

Okay, so your saying that games like Fire Emblem for the 3DS and Harvest Moon and all that are 'boddice rippers' as you so eloquintly put it should take out the romance options despite being a big factor in it? Fire Emblem has as well for the 3DS since the inclusion of My Unit and the generations with romance options been the highest selling one to date.

 

What? You want a game where it will stroke your ego and your the hero and everyone sings your praises and everyone idolizes you and no 'true' love? Awww, does someone have attention issues?

 

Romance is everywhere, romance inspires, romance ALSO has a dark side; ie, jealousy, obsession and all that which could add a whole LOT to a game.

The hell do console TBS games (and whatever Harvest Moon is, I never could tell) have to do with PE? And if anything is massively ego stroking in modern games it's the romances and all the player sexual characters who see you as the centre of their otherwise pathetic worlds. Coincidentally I do not remember this "dark side of relationships" ever explored in wRPGs. Do tell.

 

And THAT is my point. PE could do that if they wanted to since this is going to be a 'emotional writing and mature thematic exploration' as they put it. Are you saying love and the products of it are not an emotion?

 

And with that I'm done feeding you.

 

And what about " lots of muscles and hot guys- kind of romance" option for girls??? I just want to play female character with harem of hot guys in my team XD

Can't believe you're the only one that posted that so far. Most of the options makes too many assumptions and gives little leeway. This poll is awful. (So awful I bolded it.)

 

Mmm, I quite agree on that. =d I like the Alistar/Garrus type though to be honest. I like to connect with my characters and not just sleep around with a playboy.

[HangedMan]

Can I have my ample cleavage with an equal amount of intellect?

I want something that doesn't feel forced or politically correct for the sake of being politically correct, like we so often see these days. I want a believable universe, not a make-believe mirror of the current cultural hegemony in our own civilization.

Also, this. Very much this. And the great thing about a Kickstarter project is that you can do something like this, without having to worry about making publishers and such angsty about what you're doing.

[Zonn]

#3. Romances in Baldur`s Gate format are pretty good.

I would prefer romances between companions(not only conflicts) maybe even eternal triangle with protagonist in some cases and not only happy ending ones. That would be interesting. But actually, I hope Obsidian know their posibilities and it`s better to have only few good romance lines then a lot of moderate.

[TheVrolok]

Surprised there are so many fervently against romances. I'll simply say that I much prefer the BGII style romance to saaaayyy The Witcher style romance.

[Enclave]

Surprised there are so many fervently against romances. I'll simply say that I much prefer the BGII style romance to saaaayyy The Witcher style romance.

 

it's understandable after what we've seen from "romances" in recent RPGs.

[PsychoYoshi]

This poll would probably work out better as a checkbox-style poll instead of radio buttons; there's nothing mutually exclusive about homosexuality and intellectualism in romance.

 

That being said, I support romance when it helps to round out characters and/or the story, but I'm usually not a fan of sex appeal for its own sake in games. I can understand why some might prefer it, but oftentimes all the time and resources devoted to developing them could be better utilized elsewhere.

Edited September 17, 2012 by PsychoYoshi

[limaxophobiacq]

I want something that doesn't feel forced or politically correct for the sake of being politically correct, like we so often see these days. I want a believable universe, not a make-believe mirror of the current cultural hegemony in our own civilization.

Also, this. Very much this. And the great thing about a Kickstarter project is that you can do something like this, without having to worry about making publishers and such angsty about what you're doing.

 

Heh. Last time around a business partner intervened in something like this for obsidian was when Hasbro/Wizards or Atari (don't remember) made the rather un-PC choice of not letting Avellone make Gann bi in MotB, so I for one am happy they are now rid of such restriction.

Edited September 17, 2012 by limaxophobiacq

[SirthOsiris]

Well, I went with more what I see as realistic/ intelligent romance/sex.

 

If it's beyond the writers, then drop it. No one really does it right, I guess.

[limaxophobiacq]

This poll would probably work out better as a checkbox-style poll instead of a radio buttons; there's nothing mutually exclusive about homosexuality and intellectualism in romance.

 

Or about homosexuality and testoterone fueled sex.

[Jiraboas]

Surprised there are so many fervently against romances. I'll simply say that I much prefer the BGII style romance to saaaayyy The Witcher style romance.

 

it's understandable after what we've seen from "romances" in recent RPGs.

 

Thats not a point.

 

Only because no one done it right until now, its isnt a reason to deny it generally...

 

kind regards,

 

Jira

Edited September 18, 2012 by Jiraboas

[Delterius]

Surprised there are so many fervently against romances. I'll simply say that I much prefer the BGII style romance to saaaayyy The Witcher style romance.

 

it's understandable after what we've seen from "romances" in recent RPGs.

 

Thats not a point.

 

Only because no one done it right until now, its isnt a reason to deny it generally...

 

kind regards,

 

Jira

 

No one did it 'right'? Well, that's not necessarily true.

 

The people that is mostly pro-romance have been mostly satisfied by it, hypotheticals rarely attract such a large following. The amazingly deep (cleavage) and romantic (witty cleavage) choices for love interests in this very poll kinda is a show of it.

 

So if you do think that Romance has been a rather shallow feature, geared towards instant gratification, then you have many reasons not to like Romance in video games at all.

[Darji]

Surprised there are so many fervently against romances. I'll simply say that I much prefer the BGII style romance to saaaayyy The Witcher style romance.

 

it's understandable after what we've seen from "romances" in recent RPGs.

 

Thats not a point.

 

Only because no one done it right until now, its isnt a reason to deny it generally...

 

kind regards,

 

Jira

what does mean right?

 

Some people like it corny and cheesy like in JRPGs, some people like it like they do it in Bioware games and some like it how they did it in Baldur's Gate 2.

There is no really right or wrong just a matter of taste.

[JFS]

Either no romances at all (friendship and the like is okay), or - if it must happen - take a "less is more" approach, have it sensible and mature. No dating sims, and please no juvenile Bioware shagfest.

[Badmojo]

I choosed all, if you don't like it then do not persue it, But let us who like it be able to have it in the game.