Volourn Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 "So I mis-spoke slightly, but there is still enough evidence for the entire thing to move forward" You do realize that the threshold for this is actually really low right? Also, people whining about the devs 'breaching the countract' are forgetting that there's a likely chance that the company was in breach of the contract first. Now, one doesn't neccessarily excuse the other in eyes of the law but it does serve to look for the circumstances. No doubt Activision is guilty as sin since they admitted to stealing money from people and purposefully firing people as an excuse not to pay them money owed. That's disgusting. DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfted1 Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 Capcom tries to kill used video game sales with the one-save game. Buying used video games is great for gamers who don't want to pay full price for the latest hits. You know who doesn't like used video games? Game publishers. In a very sad twist, Capcom's fighting back against the second-hand game market with a game that can only support one save file "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 That is pretty low. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orogun01 Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 I think it also depends heavily on job security laws and unions. If you have neither then it's really hard to stand up for your rights. But with a fear of being blacklisted by every publisher I don't see anyone within the industry standing up for an union, mostly people who get fed up and leave. What ? I don't understand what you mean. If the poorly treated developers want justice they would organize and form a union. When the union has enough developers in it, they can and will achieve better working conditions. You can't blacklist the whole union. Now the only thing working against this is laws that govern individuals rights against illegal contract termniation i.e. job security. If the local law does not provide protection from being fired illegaly (term defined by each society by their norms) then you truely are ****ed. To put it into perspective is like being the first person to jump forward after the bad guy with the gun says "who dies first?" sure you can overwhelm him with massive numbers but without the certainty of a backing and with a job to lose, I don't see many people lining up to be the first. As for the illegal termination, well those cases drag out and even if you win and actually start an union you are still going to be a troublemaker in the eyes of the publishers. I'd say the answer to that question is kind of like the answer to "who's the sucker in this poker game?"* *If you can't tell, it's you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calax Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 "So I mis-spoke slightly, but there is still enough evidence for the entire thing to move forward" You do realize that the threshold for this is actually really low right? Also, people whining about the devs 'breaching the countract' are forgetting that there's a likely chance that the company was in breach of the contract first. Now, one doesn't neccessarily excuse the other in eyes of the law but it does serve to look for the circumstances. No doubt Activision is guilty as sin since they admitted to stealing money from people and purposefully firing people as an excuse not to pay them money owed. That's disgusting. You realize that you have no evidence of Acti being "guilty as sin", and which company broke what first right? Victor of the 5 year fan fic competition! Kevin Butler will awesome your face off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 (edited) "You realize that you have no evidence of Acti being "guilty as sin", and which company broke what first right?" ACTI has admitted to witholding bonuses from employees no longer with the company. That's theft. So, yeah, they are guilty as sin and they've been doing it for awhile which is one of the many reasons why the employees (not just the two founders) have been quitting left and right. You cna't have bonuses promised in a contract for passing milestones that are passed and then refuse to pay them. Period. ACTI are scumbags. Just admit it. let's not forget the act of false imprisonment of employees as they brow beat them, threatened them , etc.,e tc. as well ACTI wishes we would. Edited June 27, 2011 by Volourn DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 LA Noir Boss responds Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 (edited) Hilariously enough, he doesn't really respoind to the accusations at all. L0LZ He just toots his own horn about how awesome he is. Edited June 27, 2011 by Volourn DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte Carlo Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 LA Noir Boss responds I'm certainly not going to be critical of Mr. McNamara for his passion and work ethic, he comes across as a grafter alright. ... but (you knew that was coming) He's not a manager. It's the quintessential workplace dilemma that I'm sure many of us have seen. An operator or field guy is the best at his role but poor at managing staff or leading teams. So they go for the Roman slave galley approach instead and end up with this sort of scenario. Conversely, you get the professional 'generic' manager who thinks IT is the same as retail is the same as marketing is the same as... and this guy is a **** too. Anyhoo, that McNamara doesn't deny it sets him apart from the herd, but that doesn't mean I'd want to work for or with him. In my early career I worked in conditions and under practices that people entering the game now are spared. It doesn't make them any less good, just luckier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orogun01 Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 Anyhoo, that McNamara doesn't deny it sets him apart from the herd, but that doesn't mean I'd want to work for or with him. In my early career I worked in conditions and under practices that people entering the game now are spared. It doesn't make them any less good, just luckier Sounds like an interesting story, feel like sharing? Or are you still under a non-disclosure agreement? I'd say the answer to that question is kind of like the answer to "who's the sucker in this poker game?"* *If you can't tell, it's you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte Carlo Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 Anyhoo, that McNamara doesn't deny it sets him apart from the herd, but that doesn't mean I'd want to work for or with him. In my early career I worked in conditions and under practices that people entering the game now are spared. It doesn't make them any less good, just luckier Sounds like an interesting story, feel like sharing? Or are you still under a non-disclosure agreement? :: shrugs :: It's no biggie, but there were long hours, unhealthy peer-pressure and bullying. You'll never eradicate that, but it's much better in my industry now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgoth Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 So, ex-devs say McNamara is an angry bastard. But maybe that's exactly what you need to achieve greatness. Rain makes everything better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgoth Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 (edited) Meanwhile the DX11 patch + HiRes Texture Pack for Crysis 2 has been released. Some very subtle effects are better, but overall not a "gamechanger". Edited June 27, 2011 by Morgoth Rain makes everything better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tale Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 So, ex-devs say McNamara is an angry bastard. But maybe that's exactly what you need to achieve greatness. I don't know that LA Noire was that great. It's good, but it's probably the top of the list for games I wouldn't have regretted missing while not actively disliking. It doesn't seem to justify that 7 year development time. "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirottu Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 Capcom tries to kill used video game sales with the one-save game. Buying used video games is great for gamers who don't want to pay full price for the latest hits. You know who doesn't like used video games? Game publishers. In a very sad twist, Capcom's fighting back against the second-hand game market with a game that can only support one save file This post is not to be enjoyed, discussed, or referenced on company time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfted1 Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 Capcom tries to kill used video game sales with the one-save game. That "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexx Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 How does that work? Burning the savegame on the cd? "only when you no-life you can exist forever, because what does not live cannot die." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgoth Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 How does that work? Burning the savegame on the cd? The 3DS doesn't use optical disks, it uses a cartridge. But yeah, that sucks. Rain makes everything better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirottu Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 Capcom tries to kill used video game sales with the one-save game. That This post is not to be enjoyed, discussed, or referenced on company time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calax Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 "You realize that you have no evidence of Acti being "guilty as sin", and which company broke what first right?" ACTI has admitted to witholding bonuses from employees no longer with the company. That's theft. So, yeah, they are guilty as sin and they've been doing it for awhile which is one of the many reasons why the employees (not just the two founders) have been quitting left and right. You cna't have bonuses promised in a contract for passing milestones that are passed and then refuse to pay them. Period. ACTI are scumbags. Just admit it. let's not forget the act of false imprisonment of employees as they brow beat them, threatened them , etc.,e tc. as well ACTI wishes we would. You don't get extra for screwing up stupid. You don't even know what the contract said about the bonuses, neither do I. They could have something built in so that they have to wait out the financial quarter before getting their bonus, or that they have to actually, you know, do their jobs correctly to get it. As to the imprisonment thing, I don't know if what they did was technically illegal. From what little I've read on the subject it can be pretty murky. Victor of the 5 year fan fic competition! Kevin Butler will awesome your face off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 (edited) "You don't get extra for screwing up stupid. You don't even know what the contract said about the bonuses, neither do I. They could have something built in so that they have to wait out the financial quarter before getting their bonus, or that they have to actually, you know, do their jobs correctly to get it." Don't be stupid. They did their jobs correctly. The bonuses were for passing sales milestones which they did. ACTi actually admitted it, but withheld them anyways. That's theft. ACTI claims that theyd ecide when/who/how the bonuses goes out but it don't work that way. If you promise x bonus for y event and y event happens pay the bonuses. period. "As to the imprisonment thing, I don't know if what they did was technically illegal. From what little I've read on the subject it can be pretty murky." If it's tue, it's illegal. You cannot, under any circumstances, lock someone in a room/place and don't allow them to leave period. It's illegal. It's false inprisonment. It's a lesser form of kidnapping under the eyes of the law. Only actual legal authorities have some leeway in this for obvious reasons. Employers do NOT. ACTI are scumbags. Just admit it. Edited June 27, 2011 by Volourn DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowtrain Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 Capcom tries to kill used video game sales with the one-save game. That Notice how I can belittle your beliefs without calling you names. It's a useful skill to have particularly where you aren't allowed to call people names. It's a mistake to get too drawn in/worked up. I mean it's not life or death, it's just two guys posting their thoughts on a message board. If it were personal or face to face all the usual restraints would be in place, and we would never have reached this place in the first place. Try to remember that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nepenthe Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 Glad Vol showed up when I got tired of going in circles. :D You're a cheery wee bugger, Nep. Have I ever said that? Reapercussions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oner Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 Now imagine if Bethesda used this one save feature. Giveaway list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DgyQFpOJvyNASt8A12ipyV_iwpLXg_yltGG5mffvSwo/edit?usp=sharing What is glass but tortured sand?Never forget! '12.01.13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calax Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 "You don't get extra for screwing up stupid. You don't even know what the contract said about the bonuses, neither do I. They could have something built in so that they have to wait out the financial quarter before getting their bonus, or that they have to actually, you know, do their jobs correctly to get it." Don't be stupid. They did their jobs correctly. The bonuses were for passing sales milestones which they did. ACTi actually admitted it, but withheld them anyways. That's theft. ACTI claims that theyd ecide when/who/how the bonuses goes out but it don't work that way. If you promise x bonus for y event and y event happens pay the bonuses. period. Neither Acti or IW would be deciding the bonuses at this point, it'd be what's in their contract that decides it. And no they didn't do their job because their job right, because that job requires that they put the Activision logo sign/animation in the game before the title screen, they DID NOT DO THIS."As to the imprisonment thing, I don't know if what they did was technically illegal. From what little I've read on the subject it can be pretty murky." If it's tue, it's illegal. You cannot, under any circumstances, lock someone in a room/place and don't allow them to leave period. It's illegal. It's false inprisonment. It's a lesser form of kidnapping under the eyes of the law. Only actual legal authorities have some leeway in this for obvious reasons. Employers do NOT. So, what's detention? Victor of the 5 year fan fic competition! Kevin Butler will awesome your face off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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