Ukraine Conflict - Es ist nichts schrecklicher als eine tätige Unwissenheit

[Malcador]

2 hours ago, Lexx said:

I have no idea. But right now I think the worst is yet to come.

As in how ?

[Lexx]

The government is already talking about some sort of "9€/month for 3 month" train ticket, which tells me that something really crappy is probably going to happen. Usually our government tries to avoid spending money on us. I think the next year will be interesting.

[bugarup]

Meanwhile, the blight pulled its mobile crematoriums into Mariupol:

https://meduza.io/news/2022/04/06/gorsovet-mariupolya-zayavil-chto-v-gorode-nachali-rabotat-rossiyskie-mobilnye-krematorii

I'm sure it has nothing to do with trying to cover war crimes after Bucha.  Which did not happen, and if it did, it was also staged, also Ukrainians did it, also they were all Nazis and deserved it. 

Here's hoping the blight is as competent in covering its crimes as it is at everything else. 

[kanisatha]

Re. the competence of the Russian army, it's always hilarious that some people in this forum are so wound up in their ideology that they cannot even recognize humor and sarcasm in a post.

[rjshae]

4 minutes ago, kanisatha said:

Re. the competence of the Russian army, it's always hilarious that some people in this forum are so wound up in their ideology that they cannot even recognize humor and sarcasm in a post.

Sarcasm in general is sometimes difficult to detect in text form. It can be useful to keep that in mind.

[kanisatha]

3 hours ago, Lexx said:

Well, that's what was talked about already before. This whole ukraine nazi thing is just hogwash of course. This is all about access to resources, which is also why russia will do everything it can to keep crimea and surrounding areas. Unless a miracle happens and ukraine can push russia out of these areas (unlikely for now), this will keep going for a long, long time.

Yup. It also says something more fundamental about Russia as a country. Russia is already one of the world's richest countries in natural resources, and yet they want to attack and destroy a smaller, weaker neighbor to steal what little that neighbor has. There is a certain psychosis involved in having such a mindset.

Plus, it also shows that Russia has no confidence in itself to build a real economy, based on manufacturing, services, and intellectual property, and instead only expects the sale of commodities to be its future.

[Malcador]

Seems like they want to remove a competitor rather than just get their resources, well and leverage.

 

Edited April 6, 2022 by Malcador

[kanisatha]

17 minutes ago, bugarup said:

Meanwhile, the blight pulled its mobile crematoriums into Mariupol:

https://meduza.io/news/2022/04/06/gorsovet-mariupolya-zayavil-chto-v-gorode-nachali-rabotat-rossiyskie-mobilnye-krematorii

I'm sure it has nothing to do with trying to cover war crimes after Bucha.  Which did not happen, and if it did, it was also staged, also Ukrainians did it, also they were all Nazis and deserved it. 

Here's hoping the blight is as competent in covering its crimes as it is at everything else. 

Saw a wire service report that said not only are the Russians looking to make sure that in Mariupol (and I suspect other areas) their atrocities will not be revealed like in Bucha by burning bodies, they're also looking to stage a massive false flag op to divert world attention away from the Bucha Massacre because that massacre is actually resonating with people all over the world.

People are beginning to refer to Putin as the Butcher of Bucha.

Edited April 6, 2022 by kanisatha

[rjshae]

4 minutes ago, kanisatha said:

Yup. It also says something more fundamental about Russia as a country. Russia is already one of the world's richest countries in natural resources, and yet they want to attack and destroy a smaller, weaker neighbor to steal what little that neighbor has. There is a certain psychosis involved in having such a mindset.

Plus, it also shows that Russia has no confidence in itself to build a real economy, based on manufacturing, services, and intellectual property, and instead only expects the sale of commodities to be its future.

One of the lessons(?) of colonialism is that it is more cost-effective to exploit another country through trade than through conquest. The latter requires expensive military occupation, whereas the former only requires transportation. But Russia lacks good sea ports so they never had a naval colonial phase, and thus view matters from a different perspective.

[kanisatha]

7 minutes ago, rjshae said:

Sarcasm in general is sometimes difficult to detect in text form. It can be useful to keep that in mind.

Certainly. But there is always the option of asking, instead of jumping to a conclusion ... unless that jumped-to conclusion is what that person wants to push as their narrative.

[Malcador]

Bruce commented on it and the discussion branched a bit there, heh. So no boogeymen with their narrative, really.

Edited April 6, 2022 by Malcador

[kanisatha]

1 minute ago, rjshae said:

One of the lessons(?) of colonialism is that it is more cost-effective to exploit another country through trade than through conquest. The latter requires expensive military occupation, whereas the former only requires transportation. But Russia lacks good sea ports so they never had a naval colonial phase, and thus view matters from a different perspective.

It's great to see someone say this, because to this day many people, even intelligent people, keep being stuck on this mindset that military invasion is the preferred way for countries to get resources. Military invasion is a stupid way to access resources, and buying/trading for it is sooooooo much cheaper.

[Lexx]

7 minutes ago, rjshae said:

One of the lessons(?) of colonialism is that it is more cost-effective to exploit another country through trade than through conquest. The latter requires expensive military occupation, whereas the former only requires transportation. But Russia lacks good sea ports so they never had a naval colonial phase, and thus view matters from a different perspective.

I thought they tried doing that with their political puppet, but because the election scam didn't work... here we are now.

[pmp10]

4 hours ago, xzar_monty said:

This is an extraordinarily interesting page from Price Wars by Rupert Russell. Cannot comment on its trustworthiness.

That looks like a part of the great European fracking revolution.
Happening any day now for the last decade. 
 

[ComradeYellow]

Donbass soldiers with captured NLAWS, Javelins, and Stingers, courtesy of the MiC.

[BruceVC]

1 hour ago, rjshae said:

Sarcasm in general is sometimes difficult to detect in text form. It can be useful to keep that in mind.

I am not sure about detecting sarcasm but most people definitely dont get an obvious joke...especially mine 

Unless my jokes are really bad  ( some of girlfriends use to tell me that ) 

[rjshae]

2 hours ago, kanisatha said:

Certainly. But there is always the option of asking, instead of jumping to a conclusion ... unless that jumped-to conclusion is what that person wants to push as their narrative.

I'd suggest it is incumbent on the poster to communicate their intent in the first place.

[HoonDing]

Has Moscow Mitch been sanctioned yet?

Edited April 6, 2022 by HoonDing

[Lexx]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/06/russian-teacher-shocked-as-she-faces-jail-over-anti-war-speech-pupils-taped

Pretty depressing read, tbh.

[xzar_monty]

On CNN: "Video shows Russian forces dug trenches in highly radioactive off-limits area near Chernobyl."

If this turns out to be true, which it likely will, we will have to invent completely new ways of measuring and indicating how stupid an army can be. Clearly words fail.

Early on in this conflict, someone in St. Petersburg chiseled "NO WAR" in the ice in the river. Obviously this was a provocation. People were promptly ordered to get rid of the text. So, two people went and PAINTED over the text, which was IN THE ICE, and then, halfway through their project, they RAN OUT OF PAINT.

But that was nothing compared to this headline.

Edited April 7, 2022 by xzar_monty

[BruceVC]

15 minutes ago, xzar_monty said:

On CNN: "Video shows Russian forces dug trenches in highly radioactive off-limits area near Chernobyl."

If this turns out to be true, which it likely will, we will have to invent completely new ways of measuring and indicating how stupid an army can be. Clearly words fail.

Early on in this conflict, someone in St. Petersburg chiseled "NO WAR" in the ice in the river. Obviously this was a provocation. People were promptly ordered to get rid of the text. So, two people went and PAINTED over the text, which was IN THE ICE, and then, halfway through their project, they RAN OUT OF PAINT.

But that was nothing compared to this headline.

The story about the trenches was highlighted on several international news channels and if true it was incredibly stupid but apparently they were unaware that their had been  radiation leakage to the soil around Chernobyl 

But is it true because it also could be one those examples of misinformation because the Ruskies will never acknowledge it ?

[xzar_monty]

8 minutes ago, BruceVC said:

The story about the trenches was highlighted on several international news channels and if true it was incredibly stupid but apparently they were unaware that their had been  radiation leakage to the soil around Chernobyl

It's not really possible to be unaware of that, if you know anything about anything. But perhaps they really were unaware. Russia is taking stuff to a whole new level.

[Azdeus]

40 minutes ago, xzar_monty said:

It's not really possible to be unaware of that, if you know anything about anything. But perhaps they really were unaware. Russia is taking stuff to a whole new level.

It's not impossible that they avoid talking about Soviet failures. It could also be that the people that join the army just didn't do well in school.

[Gorth]

The Chernobyl disaster happened in 1986. Probably before most of the Russian conscripts were born. If not briefed by command to keep their shovels away, they may not have been any the wiser. We're talking about an army where the common soldier doesn't seem to be encouraged to show initiative or heaven forbid, critical thinking.

 

(and it may not have featured regularly on RT either)

[BruceVC]

28 minutes ago, Gorth said:

The Chernobyl disaster happened in 1986. Probably before most of the Russian conscripts were born. If not briefed by command to keep their shovels away, they may not have been any the wiser. We're talking about an army where the common soldier doesn't seem to be encouraged to show initiative or heaven forbid, critical thinking.

 

(and it may not have featured regularly on RT either)

I agree with this, we know that radiation takes decades to go away

And if you look at  the overall Russian military failures and strategies and you take conscripts who have to do what they told I can absolutely believe they were unaware that the ground around Chernobyl would still be radioactive

That would also explain why the Russians retreated so quickly from the Chernobyl site ?