Jediphile

Yeah, I voted for Handmaiden too. Not because I particularly dislike the Disciple, but because I find Handmaiden to be a far more interesting character...

Not Battle Precognition, no, but you do get a bonus - you can meditate with him and restore your force points. When I played DS female Exile, I used to have Disciple and Kreia with me - Kreia for the bonus xp and Disciple to restore my force points. And while he may not have the Handmaiden ferocity in combat, he can still unleash a lot of force powers as a consular. I never saw him as useless in combat. I guess it's just a bit of a goody-goody who preaches ethics and morality all the time that people don't like him. I found him a bit annoying for that reason myself, but it's no big problem - I just didn't talk to him, which pretty much solved the problem.

Well, they already did kill the black guy first, since Palmer was the first to go this year... Still, he's the only one to die so far IIRC... So if you're right, the future could be short and grim for Curtis Manning... I think he's the only black guy left on the show, unless we count Wayne Palmer as well.

ok then how do you kill kreia at the end beating her down in the first part is easy but then she throws up 3 litesabers which is impossible to get past any clues? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> LOL, 3 lightsabres not impossible! I just mellee them down myself honestly using heals when needed but you can also lay down mines prior to the fight with kreia, the lightsabres will take damage from the mines as they move over them. Weird hearing someone say this fight imppossible, it was much easier then Star Forge fight with Malak was (which was also easy once you understood to destroy the pods holding the dead jedi). BTW: Just for arguement sake, you didnt have to kill Zal (wookie) in K1 as Darth Revan. You could take the far more evil route and have Zal kill Mission for you (one of the truely good dark side moments of K1). Having Zal doing it was far more evil then just approaching game as hack and slash and killing both Mission and Zal. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah, the fight with Kreia is a cake-walk. If you're having trouble (I was a sentinel/jedi master), then run around a bit (there is some treasure in the alcoves that you might as well pick up if you're running) until the sabers begin losing track of you. Kreia will completely ignore you and not move. Now heal up, then buff up and slowly approach one saber. When it notices you, stop moving and let it come to you alone. Then slash it to pieces (easy) and heal up again if necessary. Then buff up again. Repeat for the other two sabers. Once they're gone, heal and buff up, then make a run at Kreia and slash her all you can. You should be able to take her out, especially since you can heal and she cannot. Use Force Immunity, though, since the old hag loves using force powers. Using this hit-and-run tactic, taking down Kreia should be very easy. Note on Zaalbar in K1: Yes, you can get Zaalbar to kill Mission (and yes, that is quite evil!), but if you do, when you go to the StarForge and have Zaalbar in the group, he will be angry for your deception and try to kill you, giving you no other choice than killing him as well. I actually didn't know this for a long time, because my evil Revan left Zaalbar on the ship, but I've tried it since, and it's quite true - Zaalbar will give you no choice, if you bring him along. You can walk back to the Ebon Hawk and get another crewmember to replace him after he's dead, though (I usually use Canderous or possible HK-47 next to Bastila on the StarForge when I'm DS).

Just for the record - the Expanded Universe (EU) is still canon. It's not like it's something done in addition to the movies that is not "real" or "accepted" Star Wars (unlike Star Trek novels, comics, games, etc.). George Lucas and Lucasarts consider all the EU stuff part of the established and true Star Wars universe. The New Jedi Order stuff is all approved by GL, including that... sad event in "Vector Prime"... The only except are many of the stories in the Star Wars Tales comic, though that's just because some of it is meant to be silly and make fun of Star Wars. I do believe "Splinter of the Mind's Eye" also falls outside canon due to some continuity trouble...

Well, the d20 origin of alignments is from D&D, where they are indeed a measure of morality only. Anyone who has played (A)D&D for a few years can confirm this, and since I've been playing on and off for close to two decades now, it's all second nature by now, silly as it is. On the Jedi/Sith scale Jolee may be more neutral, because he doesn't want to fight in the eternal conflict between the two extremes. However, as you've shown yourself, on a scale of morality, he is probably just as much "good" as most jedi in the group. Maybe even more so, since he is the only jedi in the group to never fall to the dark side in spite of having left the order...

There was also supposed to be more potential deaths in the content that was cut from the game, including a showdown between either Handmaiden vs. Visas (for male characters) and Disciple vs. Atton (for female), though only if you were dark side. Another possibility was Atton dying after a fight with Sion. There has been some speculation that Bao-Dur should have died during the game. According to Wikipedia Bao-Dur was also to die at some point, and the GOTO vs. Remote bit was to have a LS ending, where HK-47 kills GOTO. I do believe there was also be the possibility of death for Mandalore on the Ravager, but that was cut too. We might see a lot of the above once the Restoration Project is finished, though (except Bao-Dur's death, if it's really on M4-78). You can definitely kill Visas during the confrontation with Nihilus - I've tried that myself. It's worth watching once, even if I do always reload...

Didn't know about the dead colonists, but even if that is true, that doesn't have to mean she turned evil, since that could have happened inadvertently as an accident. Still, this comment sheds some light on the matter: "Our last instructions from our masters were to prevent any from reaching the Industrial Core.Our colonists, the Sith, were our masters. We droids were sent to colonize M4-78 many years ago. Only recently did the Sith arrive to claim the planet. Unfortunately, a saboteur recently killed them all.This is the colony M4-78. We droids arrived on this world years ago and began to prepare this world for colonization. The resources here are especially abundant and we were able to expand rapidly across the entire planet.Our colonists finally arrived here a couple years ago. They began building a droid army and were forced to shut down M4-78 to conserve energy.M4-78 is the name of the droid intelligence that governs the planet. When the Sith arrived, he was no longer necessary and was shut down." Besides, there is definitely a comment in there about her padawan turning to the dark side and then thinking she was dead, because he lost his force bond to her when that happened. That was a the basis of much discussion about the Exile's own force bond with Kreia at one point. Someone even pointed out on that basis, that the Exile would therefore have lost his force bond with Kreia before reaching Malachor V because Kreia resumed her position as Darth Traya at that point (but that's another discussion entirely). So, if the Sith were in charge of M4-78, that might explain some things, especially if Kaah thought Vash was killed and then, turning to the dark side and thus losing his bond with her (and therefore remaining unaware that she was actually alive), killed the Sith colonists out of revenge.

Yes, but I actually see that as an example of why you cannot gauge a character's political faction by his alignment in that system. Jolee left because they forgave him, while he couldn't himself. Jolee: "I had trained Nayama against their wishes. I had failed to kill her when I had the chance, and she went on to kill others.It was a travesty, of course. I told you that even the Jedi were capable of great injustices, didn't I?But I deserved to be tried. They found me innocent.Even though I... deserved every punishment and more... they let me go. Mitigating circumstances, they said. I deserved compassion, they said.That... that was when the Jedi left me. That was when they failed me.They may have been able to forgive me. I... could never forgive myself." Is this an indication that he has a lesser ethical standard that the jedi order? I'd say it is more likely to indicate the opposite - he left because they failed to live up to his own standard. It's similar to people atheists who don't go to church of follow the bible, but still consider what is preached not out of some fear of what punishment they might receive in the afterlife, but simply because their ethics and conscience bid them to do so. True. The thing about Jolee is that he doesn't care so much for the rules, but as you've just demonstrated, he clearly considers things on a moral basis. He's fine with you using your mind-affecting force powers to avoid paying a landing fee for the Ebon Hawk, because it really doesn't matter much on the greater scale of things, but he cannot just blindly accept that a guilty man go free without speaking out against it, even if he has to accept it in the end as the lesser evil that must be accepted to serve the greater good. Alignment is a measure of a character's moral and ethical standards only. Since the Sith follow a code that usually embraces evil acts and the jedi order preaches morality and "good" acts, it will usually look like jedi=good, sith=evil, and other=neutral. But that's just on the surface of things. Atris turned evil, but was she actually a sith? Not according to herself. And she wasn't one of "The Sith Lords" of the game's title either. The "jedi=good / sith=evil" perspective only works if you look at the matter in a very superficial way - once you look carefully at it, that perspective doesn't work because it's too simplistic to describe complex characters. Well, we really shouldn't discuss alignments. They are always problematic in (A)D&D and always will be (my own P&P game got much easier after I outlawed them for the players - I use alignments as a GM for the PCs and NPCs, but only as a GM's tool). KotOR thankfully outlawed them in the games as well, which is a good thing, because it saves us a lot of headaches.

Not always. "Empire Strikes Back" did live up to the original. In fact, it was better than the original, and is still considered the best of the Star Wars movies by many fans.

Cold, calculating, ruthless... Would those characteristics describe an ethical person? Droids are "evil" in that they will follow their programming blindly without question, no matter how much evil and suffering they might cause as a consequence, because they do not have a moral compass to guide them in the distinction between good and evil. They are only "good" if they were programmed to be so... and the programming works. Just compare GOTO to HAL in 2001 - the inspiration is fairly obvious to me.

Maybe that's your cue to watch a little less Trek Still, we don't have much choice now that the show is cancelled, do we?

I disagree. To be evil is to be selfish and put your own interest above the well-being of others. Nobody sees it as a goal onto itself to go out and actively harm other people (except psychopaths), unless they're incredibly clich

I voted Mara Jade Because Nihilus would probably lose anyhow, and there are plenty of fanboys (and girls) around here who will vote for both Revan and Bastila Also, I cannot vote for Revan, since only Darth Revan is available. He may have been Darth Revan, but he didn't end up on the dark side of the force...

It's not just you.

I believe the events of the game happen between Season 2 and Season 3. Chase, IIRC, was another excellent field operative for CTU that came in between the seasons. He's probably a relatively recent recruit in the game. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You're right. Chase Edmunds was Jack's partner in the field *as well* as Kim's boyfriend in season three. He was never introduced until he was suddenly Jack's buddy in season 3. In fact, there was lots of untold stuff between seasons 2 and 3 due to the lost cliffhanger of season 2. I think they placed the game there to remedy that situation. Anyway, for more on Chase, look here at what the official website has to say. I should probably add a spoiler warning to that, since the events described there all take place after the game. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> What game are you talking about? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> This Weird?!? Those are real people. They're acting, but they're still real. I wasn't surprised that McGill's sister was killed - it was pretty obvious that she and her boyfriend would not be allowed to survive a deal with terrorists. That they thought they could come out of it alive just shows they were more stupid that the law (or the plot-writers) allow...

No, I don't even know that one. I was referring to the end of season 2, which was an assassination attempt on Palmer. After the crisis was averted, he passed a cheering crowd, only one of them was female assassins from the very first episode of the show (you know, the girl who jumped from the airplane before she blew it up). Not knowing any of this, Palmer shakes her hand, and shortly after he falls over, his hand all swollen and sickly - the crowds panic, and the bodyguards try vainly to secure the situation as havoc ensues, then fade to black... It seemed clear that the plot was to continue from there. The bad guy, Peter Kingsley, may have been killed, but we saw other men discuss the situation over the phone, and one said, "we have a back-up plan - it begins today" or some such. It seemed very clear, that this was a cliffhanger to be continued the next season, but instead it was just abandoned for some reason.

I don't really care for many of your points but I must say, I do hope ^^^ in particular is omitted from any forthcoming sequel just to spite you all. I've had it up to here* with all your oversized hoods and customisable Jedi paraphernalia. *Forehead. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I agree, the focus should be the story and not on such trivial crap <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah... Then we wouldn't get posts that moan about such things either... Or even posts that moan about posts that moan...

I believe the events of the game happen between Season 2 and Season 3. Chase, IIRC, was another excellent field operative for CTU that came in between the seasons. He's probably a relatively recent recruit in the game. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You're right. Chase Edmunds was Jack's partner in the field *as well* as Kim's boyfriend in season three. He was never introduced until he was suddenly Jack's buddy in season 3. In fact, there was lots of untold stuff between seasons 2 and 3 due to the lost cliffhanger of season 2. I think they placed the game there to remedy that situation. Anyway, for more on Chase, look here at what the official website has to say. I should probably add a spoiler warning to that, since the events described there all take place after the game.

Actually, I think losing Kim would be worse for him. Anyway, I'm going to cast my own vote for Bill Buchanan. Not because I don't like him (though James Morrison was definitely more of a bad... as Colonel McQueen on Space: Above and Beyond), but simply because the bosses have a bad habit of dying on 24 (Mason and Chapelle anyone?)

And the wings. And without... :">

I probably could have thought of more (President Logan or Vice-President Gardner, for example), but I consider the above to be more likely. Bragging rights go to those who get it right (assuming I included the correct main character). I don't consider unknown characters or "crewman number six" (for those who've seen Galaxy Quest) to be relevant, nor the villains, just the major characters on the show.

Yeah, I know how you feel...

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