Politics - Episode 9: The Lurking Fear

[Volourn]

Don't you think that is because this stuff is plastered everywhere in everyone's face so  people feel the need tor epsond.

 

I remember a time where I watched films and I never thought about colour or gender or  all that nonsense. Now, I need to determine if the film producers are trying to make the best film they can or are just pandering.

 

That is the SJW Nazis' fault.

 

And, I'm many things but I'm no 'alt right'  nutjob.

 

I'm a VEAD.

Edited July 25, 2017 by Volourn

[Malcador]

Funny how the alt-right nutjobs are just as much obsessed with these things as the libruhls are. Why can't they both just shut up?

Too much ad revenue at stake?

[majestic]

And, I'm many things but I'm no 'alt right'  nutjob.

 

Of course not, you're Volo, you defy classification. It's been like that for what, 16 years now?

[BruceVC]

 

And, I'm many things but I'm no 'alt right'  nutjob.

 

Of course not, you're Volo, you defy classification. It's been like that for what, 16 years now?

 

But even the definition of what constitutes " alt-right " is nebulous, Breitbart has many different types of people who frequent it and they definitely don't all share the same ideological view of things like SJ and the way  overall white people are judged or criticised. Some people on Breitbart consider it a refuge from perceived SJ criticism

 

For example what is your definition of someone who is "alt-right " 

[injurai]

"Liberals now claim..."

 

I swear... more of the population could use a lesson on predicate logic. Anyone worth a damn on the front line of social commentary ought to hurdle that as the lowest bar.

 

#NotAll____

[majestic]

 

 

And, I'm many things but I'm no 'alt right'  nutjob.

 

Of course not, you're Volo, you defy classification. It's been like that for what, 16 years now?

 

But even the definition of what constitutes " alt-right " is nebulous, Breitbart has many different types of people who frequent it and they definitely don't all share the same ideological view of things like SJ and the way  overall white people are judged or criticised. Some people on Breitbart consider it a refuge from perceived SJ criticism

 

For example what is your definition of someone who is "alt-right "

 

 

Oh that's simple. The alt-right are the alpha males and their women and everyone else are beta males (lefties and libruhls) or cuckservatives (center/right not quite alt-right) and feminists. *sigh*

Edited July 25, 2017 by majestic

[BruceVC]

"Liberals now claim..."

 

I swear... more of the population could use a lesson on predicate logic. Anyone worth a damn on the front line of social commentary ought to hurdle that as the lowest bar.

 

#NotAll____

injurai Im glad you have been sticking around these forums, its always appreciated to read perspectives from different people 

 

I know the views around politics and similar subjects from all the regular members as I have been active on these forums for about 5 years. If you don't mind sharing can you summarize  your opinion on SJ or perhaps how you feel about the state of politics in Western countries 

 

I always like to understand how members feel about things like populism or the state of Democracy in the world

 

I have very liberal views on many topics but this is shaped by where I live and my commitment to addressing the Apartheid legacy in South Africa so I dont expect many people to understand where Im coming from  around ideology  from which is okay as we all have different life experiences 

[BruceVC]

 

 

 

And, I'm many things but I'm no 'alt right'  nutjob.

 

Of course not, you're Volo, you defy classification. It's been like that for what, 16 years now?

 

But even the definition of what constitutes " alt-right " is nebulous, Breitbart has many different types of people who frequent it and they definitely don't all share the same ideological view of things like SJ and the way  overall white people are judged or criticised. Some people on Breitbart consider it a refuge from perceived SJ criticism

 

For example what is your definition of someone who is "alt-right "

 

 

Oh that's simple. The alt-right are the alpha males and their women and everyone else are beta males (lefties and libruhls) or cuckservatives (center/right not quite alt-right) and feminists. *sigh*

 

You make me laugh

 

I like your opinions on topics....I imagine most feminists would  be horrified to be associated with the alt-right but you get people who claim to believe in a better world and SJ yet they are equally as divisive and offensive as your Milo type of personality 

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

 

Funny how the alt-right nutjobs are just as much obsessed with these things as the libruhls are. Why can't they both just shut up?

Too much ad revenue at stake?

Well they have to make videos about something to collect their patreonbux.

[pmp10]

 

 

 

That's the Republicans, not Democrats

No, the Republican motto is "We're dumb as rocks, and we do whatever our corporate masters tell us."

 

Isn't that to long of a motto for dumb as a rock party?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/24/poland-president-to-veto-controversial-laws-amid-protests

 

Sharp_one whats wrong with your ruling party? Why do some members of your government think they should have the right to appoint members of the supreme court and judiciary....this was an unacceptable expectation that was set and would never be tolerated in a Democratic institution like the EU

That wasn't the real problem Bruce.

The real travesty was the idea that they would appoint all of the new judges.

That went too far even for some of their own supporters.

[BruceVC]

 

 

 

 

That's the Republicans, not Democrats

No, the Republican motto is "We're dumb as rocks, and we do whatever our corporate masters tell us."

 

Isn't that to long of a motto for dumb as a rock party?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/24/poland-president-to-veto-controversial-laws-amid-protests

 

Sharp_one whats wrong with your ruling party? Why do some members of your government think they should have the right to appoint members of the supreme court and judiciary....this was an unacceptable expectation that was set and would never be tolerated in a Democratic institution like the EU

That wasn't the real problem Bruce.

The real travesty was the idea that they would appoint all of the new judges.

That went too far even for some of their own supporters.

 

I cannot tell you how much better this veto decision was for the overall economic  sustainability of Poland 

 

Well done people who took to the streets 

Edited July 26, 2017 by BruceVC

[Chilloutman]

its funny because I always felt that CH last few years gone pretty SJW ish:

 

[BruceVC]

 @ anyone who is Polish or can confirm this

 

The article I posted about the veto says the Polish ruling believes the following....is this objective of "impossibilism " valid 

 

The attempt by Poland's Law and Justice party to take control of the judicial system should be seen as part of a wider campaign to dismantle democratic checks and balances on the government’s actions, from its takeover of state media to its capture of the country’s constitutional tribunal.

 

Jarosław Kaczyński, PiS’s leader, has developed a theory known in Poland as ‘impossibilism’, the idea that no serious reform of Polish society and institutions is possible due to these checks and balances, and what he describes as the vested interests of liberal elites and foreigners intent on exploiting the country.

[rjshae]

Fun rumor: Trump is going to order all government employees to be implanted with an RFID chip for tracking purposes.

[pmp10]

 @ anyone who is Polish or can confirm this

 

The article I posted about the veto says the Polish ruling believes the following....is this objective of "impossibilism " valid 

 

The attempt by Poland's Law and Justice party to take control of the judicial system should be seen as part of a wider campaign to dismantle democratic checks and balances on the government’s actions, from its takeover of state media to its capture of the country’s constitutional tribunal.

 

Jarosław Kaczyński, PiS’s leader, has developed a theory known in Poland as ‘impossibilism’, the idea that no serious reform of Polish society and institutions is possible due to these checks and balances, and what he describes as the vested interests of liberal elites and foreigners intent on exploiting the country.

Accurate but over-intellectualizes his position.

One man's checks and balances is another man's swamp.

[Malcador]

Fun rumor: Trump is going to order all government employees to be implanted with an RFID chip for tracking purposes.

Pretty good as rumours go, flows with him hearing about the WI company and going "Hey, good idea!".

 

No transgender people in the military, not sure they were so much of a distraction to affect the combat performance.

[Guard Dog]

 

No transgender people in the military, not sure they were so much of a distraction to affect the combat performance.

 

I think t was more of a cost savings move since gender reassignment surgery was becoming a covered benefit. As much as I abhor discrimination of any stripe the military is a different animal than the rest of society and the rules that apply are different. But I suspect the pols will make much more of this than the story deserves. I believe I read there were less than 10 "transgendered" service members in all four branches.

[Elerond]

 

 

No transgender people in the military, not sure they were so much of a distraction to affect the combat performance.

 

I think t was more of a cost savings move since gender reassignment surgery was becoming a covered benefit. As much as I abhor discrimination of any stripe the military is a different animal than the rest of society and the rules that apply are different. But I suspect the pols will make much more of this than the story deserves. I believe I read there were less than 10 "transgendered" service members in all four branches.

 

 

This study from 2014 estimated over 15k, but can't say how accurate it is.

 

"Our estimates suggest that approximately 15,500 transgender individuals are serving on active duty or in  the Guard or Reserve forces. We also estimate that there are an estimated 134,300 transgender individuals who are veterans or are retired from Guard or Reserve service."

 

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/Transgender-Military-Service-May-2014.pdf

[Hurlshort]

Well hopefully they ban pregnancy next, that is also disruptive and medically expensive.

[Guard Dog]

 

 

 

No transgender people in the military, not sure they were so much of a distraction to affect the combat performance.

 

I think t was more of a cost savings move since gender reassignment surgery was becoming a covered benefit. As much as I abhor discrimination of any stripe the military is a different animal than the rest of society and the rules that apply are different. But I suspect the pols will make much more of this than the story deserves. I believe I read there were less than 10 "transgendered" service members in all four branches.

 

 

This study from 2014 estimated over 15k, but can't say how accurate it is.

 

"Our estimates suggest that approximately 15,500 transgender individuals are serving on active duty or in  the Guard or Reserve forces. We also estimate that there are an estimated 134,300 transgender individuals who are veterans or are retired from Guard or Reserve service."

 

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/Transgender-Military-Service-May-2014.pdf

 

Never mind... my math was wrong.

Edited July 26, 2017 by Guard Dog

[Guard Dog]

Well hopefully they ban pregnancy next, that is also disruptive and medically expensive.

It's also a ticket out of the service if that is what the service member wants.

[Hurlshort]

 

Well hopefully they ban pregnancy next, that is also disruptive and medically expensive.

It's also a ticket out of the service if that is what the service member wants.

 

 

[Hurlshort]

No way. In 2016 the NY times estimated 1.4M Americans out of 323M were trans. That's like 0.0001 %. There are 1.9M service member in all four branches counting reserves. That would mean a percentage of 0.008. There is no way the military, an occupation that for many reasons might not appeal to the trans would have a HIGHER percentage than the general population. It would either be the same or less.

 

 

 

The last paragraph addresses that bit:

 

 

There is other evidence that transgender individuals represent a larger portion of those in the military than their proportion among adults in the US population. In a survey of transgender people assigned male at birth, Shipherd et al. found that 30 percent had served in the military, which is similar to military service among transgender people assigned male at birth in the NTDS. 9 A recent study by Blosnich et al. reviewed all health records of veterans receiving health care through the Veterans Health Administration (VHA) from 2000 through 2011 and found a prevalence of Gender Identity Disorder (GID) five times that of the US general population.10 Though individuals with GID diagnoses may or may not identify as transgender, the substantially higher prevalence of GID among veterans in the VHA system provides further evidence that transgender people are overrepresented in the US military.

 

My guess would be it has something to do with the appeal of service. The military has always been popular as an option for those struggling to find their identity. There seems to be some overlap according to this survey.

[Guard Dog]

 

No way. In 2016 the NY times estimated 1.4M Americans out of 323M were trans. That's like 0.0001 %. There are 1.9M service member in all four branches counting reserves. That would mean a percentage of 0.008. There is no way the military, an occupation that for many reasons might not appeal to the trans would have a HIGHER percentage than the general population. It would either be the same or less.

 

 

 

The last paragraph addresses that bit:

 

 

There is other evidence that transgender individuals represent a larger portion of those in the military than their proportion among adults in the US population. In a survey of transgender people assigned male at birth, Shipherd et al. found that 30 percent had served in the military, which is similar to military service among transgender people assigned male at birth in the NTDS. 9 A recent study by Blosnich et al. reviewed all health records of veterans receiving health care through the Veterans Health Administration (VHA) from 2000 through 2011 and found a prevalence of Gender Identity Disorder (GID) five times that of the US general population.10 Though individuals with GID diagnoses may or may not identify as transgender, the substantially higher prevalence of GID among veterans in the VHA system provides further evidence that transgender people are overrepresented in the US military.

 

My guess would be it has something to do with the appeal of service. The military has always been popular as an option for those struggling to find their identity. There seems to be some overlap according to this survey.

 

I never thought about it that way. I was looking at it more from a perspective of folks with gender dysphoria already having a clue about themselves.

 

At any rate this hearkens back to a discussion you and i participated in not long ago about the benefits of gender-reassignment surgery. I still disagree with you and assert it is an elective surgery. A man who identifies as female and has an operation is still a man afterwards. Just with a few bits moved around. Ditto for the women. It is superficial, skin deep, a nose job. If they want it, more power to them but don't ask the tax payers to cover it for you. 

 

Until we figure out a way to swap that Y chromosome for an X or vice versa, you are stuck with what you were born with.

[Raithe]

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