Blarghagh Posted May 25, 2017 Posted May 25, 2017 Or maybe we can leave the insults at the door if we want this thread to stay open. 1
Malcador Posted May 25, 2017 Posted May 25, 2017 Or maybe we can leave the insults at the door if we want this thread to stay open.Your mother wears combat boots. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
Chilloutman Posted May 25, 2017 Posted May 25, 2017 You all smell of elderberries I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene"
Wrath of Dagon Posted May 25, 2017 Posted May 25, 2017 So is it still mandatory to have insurance still?No new laws have been passed as yet, so technically yes. Although they seem to be planning on not enforcing any penalties. Even now, the penalty can be only taken out of a tax refund, so best to underpay for anyone in that situation. "Moral indignation is a standard strategy for endowing the idiot with dignity." Marshall McLuhan
redneckdevil Posted May 25, 2017 Posted May 25, 2017 Single dad on child support, that tax refund is the only way I stay afloat at times.
Hurlshort Posted May 25, 2017 Posted May 25, 2017 Not enforcing, or getting rid of, the penalties is definitely a positive. Still I'd rather they find a way to make sure people can get covered affordably.
Gfted1 Posted May 25, 2017 Posted May 25, 2017 Not enforcing, or getting rid of, the penalties is definitely a positive. Still I'd rather they find a way to make sure people can get covered affordably. If there isn't a stick, then nobody will do it. People could willingly purchase heath insurance prior to UHC, they just didn't. "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa"
Hurlshort Posted May 25, 2017 Posted May 25, 2017 I'm not sure that health care is something our society should be using the stick method for. I'd prefer more carrot.
ShadySands Posted May 25, 2017 Posted May 25, 2017 But we don't have UHC We should just move to it and call it a day Free games updated 3/4/21
Gfted1 Posted May 25, 2017 Posted May 25, 2017 I'm not sure that health care is something our society should be using the stick method for. I'd prefer more carrot. And I'd prefer to be immortal with the body of a god. The carrot method (not dying from lack of insurance) did not work. That's why were at the point we are now. 2 "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa"
Blarghagh Posted May 25, 2017 Posted May 25, 2017 Prohibitively expensive health insurance seems more like a stick to me. 1
Gfted1 Posted May 25, 2017 Posted May 25, 2017 Aye, they bungled the hell out of ACA. 1 "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa"
Wrath of Dagon Posted May 25, 2017 Posted May 25, 2017 Unfortunately the Repubes aren't where 80% of the country is on this, they want Ocare fixed, not repealed. https://twitter.com/kausmickey/status/867714366229012480 1 "Moral indignation is a standard strategy for endowing the idiot with dignity." Marshall McLuhan
redneckdevil Posted May 25, 2017 Posted May 25, 2017 Get rid of the penalties for not having Obamacare and then let the economy sort the pricing at but keep the federal help for disability/crazy/etc stay the same.
Gfted1 Posted May 25, 2017 Posted May 25, 2017 Isnt that exactly what existed prior to ACA? "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa"
Calax Posted May 25, 2017 Posted May 25, 2017 Thing is, the mandate is what allows the Exchanges etc to work. You can't operate an insurance syndicate where the only people who get your product is the ones who will use it the most. Only the "high risk" people would pay into the system and bankrupt it faster than lightning. It's why companies had things like pre-existing conditions built into their systems prior to the ACA. You remove the mandate and every insurance company that takes part will fall apart faster than Trump's administration. The biggest problem was that the bill artifically killed competition because of the "lines around the states" (as Donald put it), meaning that your options were significantly smaller. Victor of the 5 year fan fic competition! Kevin Butler will awesome your face off.
redneckdevil Posted May 25, 2017 Posted May 25, 2017 Isnt that exactly what existed prior to ACA? Before Obamacare, that is correct. If u needed insurance or u wanted to be prepared, u got urself some insurance. Made certain jobs important and pushed people to get better jobs bc they would have good insurance at a cheaper rate. Didn't want to spend the money, then don't. But then we got that era where every kid had to medicated bc of ADHD/add/etc when before parents just beat ur ass until u straitened up. https://youtu.be/aBkSIFMTMoE That pushed more people into getting insurance for drugs and therapy. Also funny bc those same ****s are college kids now...mmmmmmmmmmm. Forcing everyone into meant more people using it. Before if u felt bad or injured yourself, u had to pick between sucking it up or going to prime care. Now since its forced, people since they have to pay are using it more. They no longer mainly "tough it out", since they HAVE to pay. More people using it weither they want to or not. Then u have a major problem of how hospitals gouge prices. That's another topic though.
Blarghagh Posted May 26, 2017 Posted May 26, 2017 But then we got that era where every kid had to medicated bc of ADHD/add/etc when before parents just beat ur ass until u straitened up Yes, the old fashioned way was just perfect. Getting my literal ass kicked when the teacher said I had trouble paying attention in school totally did something to fix that problem. It didn't leave me a crippled, suicidal adult that needs several types of medication and major therapy just to survive, let alone function. Not at all.
Meshugger Posted May 26, 2017 Posted May 26, 2017 Most artists of yesterday would be diagnosed as having a mental deficiency today. While mass medication of ADHD/ADD/depression/anxiety might save lives, it seems to curb the explosive creative energies that come from suffering artists. You get some, you lose some. "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy
redneckdevil Posted May 26, 2017 Posted May 26, 2017 But then we got that era where every kid had to medicated bc of ADHD/add/etc when before parents just beat ur ass until u straitened up Yes, the old fashioned way was just perfect. Getting my literal ass kicked when the teacher said I had trouble paying attention in school totally did something to fix that problem. It didn't leave me a crippled, suicidal adult that needs several types of medication and major therapy just to survive, let alone function. Not at all. It did for me, thankfully I had a great dad that was firm with the belt but brutally and honest in his wisdom. "It's up to you to figure out how to be happy while following the rules of life, you got a problem then figure out how to fix it or learn how to cope while not acting the fool." He never tolerated the "playing the victim". You can either accept and let something hinder you or you can live life and fight for your happiness/calm for the rest of your life. Because of ass whippings and tough love, he's been more help than medication and therapists for me.
Lexx Posted May 26, 2017 Posted May 26, 2017 I never got beaten and I feel fine too. Just saying / thinking. 2 "only when you no-life you can exist forever, because what does not live cannot die."
Blarghagh Posted May 26, 2017 Posted May 26, 2017 But then we got that era where every kid had to medicated bc of ADHD/add/etc when before parents just beat ur ass until u straitened up Yes, the old fashioned way was just perfect. Getting my literal ass kicked when the teacher said I had trouble paying attention in school totally did something to fix that problem. It didn't leave me a crippled, suicidal adult that needs several types of medication and major therapy just to survive, let alone function. Not at all. It did for me, thankfully I had a great dad that was firm with the belt but brutally and honest in his wisdom. "It's up to you to figure out how to be happy while following the rules of life, you got a problem then figure out how to fix it or learn how to cope while not acting the fool." He never tolerated the "playing the victim". You can either accept and let something hinder you or you can live life and fight for your happiness/calm for the rest of your life. Because of ass whippings and tough love, he's been more help than medication and therapists for me. Have you been diagnosed with a mental illness?
Guard Dog Posted May 26, 2017 Posted May 26, 2017 The Democrats lost another election last night. In Montana The republican candidate Gianforte defeated the democrat and libertarian candidates for the vacancy in the state's sole congressional seat. Now the twist is he did this after assaulting and beating the heck out of a reporter a few days ago. Now, generally the Democrats no freedom Big Brother Government Control Your Life shtick does not play well in western states. But the Dems generally do OK in Montana. The fact that they could not even beat a felon certainly is another indicator of how low they have fallen. If it's any consolation Gianforte will not even be the biggest dirtbag in the estimable body he s about to join. "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell
Malcador Posted May 26, 2017 Posted May 26, 2017 (edited) The Democrats lost another election last night. In Montana The republican candidate Gianforte defeated the democrat and libertarian candidates for the vacancy in the state's sole congressional seat. Now the twist is he did this after assaulting and beating the heck out of a reporter a few days ago. Now, generally the Democrats no freedom Big Brother Government Control Your Life shtick does not play well in western states. But the Dems generally do OK in Montana. The fact that they could not even beat a felon certainly is another indicator of how low they have fallen. If it's any consolation Gianforte will not even be the biggest dirtbag in the estimable body he s about to join.Surprised a felon can even run. They can't vote, right? Also were a lot of early voters so they were locked in Edited May 26, 2017 by Malcador Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
aluminiumtrioxid Posted May 26, 2017 Posted May 26, 2017 While mass medication of ADHD/ADD/depression/anxiety might save lives, it seems to curb the explosive creative energies that come from suffering artists. [citation needed] Because of ass whippings and tough love, he's been more help than medication and therapists for me. Yay for child abuse I guess? "Lulz is not the highest aspiration of art and mankind, no matter what the Encyclopedia Dramatica says."
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