Politics 2017 part V

[HoonDing]

"So France looks like they might be getting that woman as president. Looks like France, USA, Australia are joining Britain in rebellion of current status of changing culture to adjust to culture new immigrants instead of vice versa."

 

if ur culture is gettin replaced, maybe thats because ur culture sucks

[ktchong]

My sisters are Chinese Americans. One of them married a French man and has lived in France for about fifteen years. A couple days ago, after the Paris shooting, I called her on the phone. During our phone conversation, she mentioned that she would be voting for Le Pen "if she made it to the second round" - because of the "Muslim problem". In the past she had told me that Muslims had harassed her on the streets a few times, and she had complained that (and I am paraphrasing her) "those Muslims come here and act like they own the country."

 

Here is the shocker: she told me not to tell my other sisters that she would be voting for Le Pen. My other sisters would not be please and would try to dissuade her. All of my sisters - actually, my entire family - are fairly "liberal" or "progressive" people. This particular sister in France actually has been a harsh critic of Donald Trump, yet she said she planned to vote for Le Pen ("if she made it to the second round;" so that was her qualifier for Le Pen.) That was when I also went, "oh ****, Le Pen is going to win," because here in the US, we also had a lot of voters who were too embarrassed to admit to other people (and to pollsters) that they would vote for Donald Trump. Then they actually voted for Donald Trump, like how my sister in France who would vote for Le Pen but was too embarassed to admit it.

Edited April 23, 2017 by ktchong

[ktchong]

Here is an irony:

 

Another sister lives in Sweden. That sister had also complained the Muslims in her country. Before Donald Trump won the election last year, my sister in Sweden had told me, "I wish we have someone here like Donald Trump to deal with all the Muslims running amok here." Then, a few minutes after saying that, she added, "but don't tell [my other sister in France] I said that. I don't want her to think I'm pro-fascist or something."

 

So, when my sister in France told me not to tell my other sisters that she would vote for Le Pen, I broke out in laughter. She asked, "what?!?" And I said, "nothing". I laughed because of the irony: the sister in France told me not to tell the other sister in Sweden that she would vote for Le Pen, but the other sister in Sweden had earlier told me not to tell the sister in France that she would also vote for someone like Donald Trump in Sweden. I thought it was funny. Seems to me that Muslims, immigrants, migrants and refugees have been driving a lot of voting decisions in America and Europe.  I dislike Muslims and illegal immigrants, but I would not let them determine how I vote.

 

P.S. Yes, all three of my sisters are married to white guys. You know what they say about Asian women and white men.  Many Asian women even prefer very specific types of white men.  Those two sisters went to Europe with the very specific intention of finding white European husbands, and they got what they wanted.

Edited April 23, 2017 by ktchong

[Hynkel]

Thanks for your testimony ktchong. I have a taiwanese sister-in-law who has the same kind of mindset, so I can relate.

 

France is facing the same kind of issues USA had at some point of its history with catholic migrants : sons and grandsons of worker migrants, who grew up in ghettos, surrounded by unemployed people with zero job connection, yearn for big things and look up to thugs and drug dealers because there's no other role model available (yeah I watched the Goodfellas last night, the movie is incredibly spot-on.).

 

The thing is, most of these people are born in France and have no other nationality than French. Plus, there are 2 million muslim people in France, in a country of 60 million people. If most of these muslim people were mobsters the country would look like a Mad Max remake, except with more cows. 

 

What even the conservative right knows (and that's why Fillon called to vote for Macron) is that if you enforce a policy pointing 2 million people as a threat, you're not going to accomplish anything but making the country explode. 

Edited April 23, 2017 by Hynkel

[HoonDing]

"I wish we have someone here like Donald Trump to deal with all the Muslims running amok here."

 

What's Trump's solution for "all" the Muslims tho

[Ben No.3]

 

BruceVC, do u view the EU as a socialist, capitalist, or communist organization?

It's capitalist.

Long live the EUSSR -.-

 

I mean obviously it is capitalist. It ensures the freedom of markets.

[Ben No.3]

 

 

Here is an irony:

 

Another sister lives in Sweden. That sister had also complained the Muslims in her country. Before Donald Trump won the election last year, my sister in Sweden had told me, "I wish we have someone here like Donald Trump to deal with all the Muslims running amok here." Then, a few minutes after saying that, she added, "but don't tell [my other sister in France] I said that. I don't want her to think I'm pro-fascist or something."

 

So, when my sister in France told me not to tell my other sisters that she would vote for Le Pen, I broke out in laughter. She asked, "what?!?" And I said, "nothing". I laughed because of the irony: the sister in France told me not to tell the other sister in Sweden that she would vote for Le Pen, but the other sister in Sweden had earlier told me not to tell the sister in France that she would also vote for someone like Donald Trump in Sweden. I thought it was funny. Seems to me that Muslims, immigrants, migrants and refugees have been driving a lot of voting decisions in America and Europe. I dislike Muslims and illegal immigrants, but I would not let them determine how I vote.

 

P.S. Yes, all three of my sisters are married to white guys. You know what they say about Asian women and white men. Many Asian women even prefer very specific types of white men. Those two sisters went to Europe with the very specific intention of finding white European husbands, and they got what they wanted.

"Look, the group of people we have treated like sh!t for decades (and still do... the pope himself says we put them in concentration camps) is slowly starting to get pissed at us. BURN THEM ALIVE BEOFRE THEY CAN REPRODUCE"

 

The sick thing is, I hear people actually saying that they are worried about the preservation of their respective culture because immigrants apparently have more children.

 

If your sister was harassed by a banker, would she vote far left?

 

If your sister was harassed by a lesbian, would she vote conservative?

 

Then why the hell does she vote far right when she is harassed by an immigrant?

Edited April 24, 2017 by Ben No.3

[Raithe]

[redneckdevil]

 

 

Here is an irony:

 

Another sister lives in Sweden. That sister had also complained the Muslims in her country. Before Donald Trump won the election last year, my sister in Sweden had told me, "I wish we have someone here like Donald Trump to deal with all the Muslims running amok here." Then, a few minutes after saying that, she added, "but don't tell [my other sister in France] I said that. I don't want her to think I'm pro-fascist or something."

 

So, when my sister in France told me not to tell my other sisters that she would vote for Le Pen, I broke out in laughter. She asked, "what?!?" And I said, "nothing". I laughed because of the irony: the sister in France told me not to tell the other sister in Sweden that she would vote for Le Pen, but the other sister in Sweden had earlier told me not to tell the sister in France that she would also vote for someone like Donald Trump in Sweden. I thought it was funny. Seems to me that Muslims, immigrants, migrants and refugees have been driving a lot of voting decisions in America and Europe. I dislike Muslims and illegal immigrants, but I would not let them determine how I vote.

 

P.S. Yes, all three of my sisters are married to white guys. You know what they say about Asian women and white men. Many Asian women even prefer very specific types of white men. Those two sisters went to Europe with the very specific intention of finding white European husbands, and they got what they wanted.

"Look, the group of people we have treated like sh!t for decades (and still do... the pope himself says we put them in concentration camps) is slowly starting to get pissed at us. BURN THEM ALIVE BEOFRE THEY CAN REPRODUCE"

 

The sick thing is, I hear people actually saying that they are worried about the preservation of their respective culture because immigrants apparently have more children.

 

If your sister was harassed by a banker, would she vote far left?

 

If your sister was harassed by a lesbian, would she vote conservative?

 

Then why the hell does she vote far right when she is harassed by an immigrant?

C'mon kid, your smarter than that. When Muslims gangs were raping women, was it far right thinking or far left thinking that prevented police to look into it because it would make them look like racists in the UK?

Was it far right or far left thinking that tried to deny any connections to Muslims here in America when a man shots up a gay club in Florida or to erase from documents the word Muslim of 911 or to go in a change personal information so that a shooter at college who was Muslim instead is shown different religion?

 

If u was assaulted with no one around except you and an immigrant, who would be on your side and have your back and who would tried to cover it up, downplay it so that they don't look like racists or harm the image of the immigrants?

[BruceVC]

Whats wrong with wanting to marry a white person?

 

Its a personal choice and we shouldn't need to scrutinize the decision so much.....surly ?

[Meshugger]

From what i've seen in the news, the general picture is that France is on it's way to civil war as upt to 40% of the youth are leaning Le Pen for the very reason that they don't think that they have a place in their own country any more.

 

A youth growing up being completely displaced is a very negative trend indeed.

[BruceVC]

From what i've seen in the news, the general picture is that France is on it's way to civil war as upt to 40% of the youth are leaning Le Pen for the very reason that they don't think that they have a place in their own country any more.

 

A youth growing up being completely displaced is a very negative trend indeed.

Maybe some  young people living in first world countries should stop feeling so entitled and realize their governments can only do so much for them ?

 

Le Penn will be decisively beaten in the next round as primarily only the supporters of Melenchon will vote for France to leave the EU, the other candidates have endorsed Macron now the initial phase of the election is over

 

So dont worry about a French civil war....thats a ludicrous suggestion

[redneckdevil]

It's not about doing so much, it's being opposite in what is expected in treating people. When u give exceptions and benefits and don't hold the law to the same standard to someone because of someone's religion or citizen status but don't do the same positives to your own citizens, of course people gonna complain and get riled up.

The problem is that people aren't being treated EQUALLY. Treat the Muslims and the refugees and immigrants yeh same as your other citizens, this will die the **** down.

This is why "bleeding heart liberal" is a bad thing, when u go the extra mile for someone else than yeh ones u supposed to take care of, it causes friction and separation because the ones u supposed to take care of will feel slighted and lesser and the ones u going the extra mile will feel elevated and also get used to and think that is how it will always happen.

[BruceVC]

 

 

From what i've seen in the news, the general picture is that France is on it's way to civil war as upt to 40% of the youth are leaning Le Pen for the very reason that they don't think that they have a place in their own country any more.

 

A youth growing up being completely displaced is a very negative trend indeed.

Maybe some  young people living in first world countries should stop feeling so entitled and realize their governments can only do so much for them ?

 

You told the same to black pepole during Apartheid, didn't you?

 

There is a difference between doing something for you and doing nothing for you and everything for another group of people and using you as a milking cow.

 

No, I was too young to be part of the Apartheid laws as Apartheid was implemented in 1947 and I wasn't involved in commentary during Apartheid. Also we lived under a state of emergency so you were limited by what you could or couldn't say about politics until Apartheid ended in 1991 or so 

 

Although you do fit the profile of exactly the  person I was referring to, you complain a lot and expect your government to do everything for you 

Edited April 24, 2017 by BruceVC

[redneckdevil]

 

 

 

From what i've seen in the news, the general picture is that France is on it's way to civil war as upt to 40% of the youth are leaning Le Pen for the very reason that they don't think that they have a place in their own country any more.

 

A youth growing up being completely displaced is a very negative trend indeed.

Maybe some young people living in first world countries should stop feeling so entitled and realize their governments can only do so much for them ?

You told the same to black pepole during Apartheid, didn't you?

 

There is a difference between doing something for you and doing nothing for you and everything for another group of people and using you as a milking cow.

No, I was too young to be part of the Apartheid laws as Apartheid was implemented in 1947 and I wasn't involved in commentary during Apartheid. Also we lived under a state of emergency so you were limited by what you could or couldn't say about politics until Apartheid ended in 1991 or so

 

Although you do fit the profile of exactly the person I was referring to, you complain a lot and expect your government to do everything for you

Edit-

 

Not joking, hope things are still well and not bad down there for ya and your family. Is there still an upheaval of "hate whitey" going on?

 

If govt isn't involve, don't complain to it. If it is involved, u complain to it or else nothing will get done or u have extremes results like Brexit/Trump/Australia/maybe France now that make it harder for opposition to compromise and fix the problem. Granted sometimes these extremes are what's needed, right now to soon to tell. I know right now race issues aren't as ugly (except in Cali where they grooming the new "liberals" who've they've drugged since childbirth and giving awards for trying and haven't taught them about failure), BLM is quiet because public opinion all time low across the board. Notice how the extreme has damper certain issues and seem to be alot more quiet now that used to set people against each other. We shall see how well it goes and see if yeh future holds better or at worse for us. With last election, I'm a bit worried about the circus tht will follow and the extremes.

Edited April 24, 2017 by redneckdevil

[Zoraptor]

From what i've seen in the news, the general picture is that France is on it's way to civil war as upt to 40% of the youth are leaning Le Pen for the very reason that they don't think that they have a place in their own country any more.

 

A youth growing up being completely displaced is a very negative trend indeed.

 

And it's perfectly understandable too, Macron is an abysmal prospect for completely different reasons to Le Pen and there are excellent reasons for not voting for a manufactured candidate whose sole reason for existence is preservation of the status quo and who has the unrestricted support of a supine press and panicking elite.

 

Macron stands for mealy mouthed bon mots, feel good phrases and 99% of what has been tried and failed beforehand. I don't agree with Le Pen on much at all, but at least she gives the impression that she hasn't been extruded from plastic, downloaded a personality from a press kit and been set up with the sole purpose of not offending anyone while the establishment shoves them down the people's throat like so many pre foie gras geese.

Edited April 24, 2017 by Zoraptor

[BruceVC]

 

Although you do fit the profile of exactly the  person I was referring to, you complain a lot and expect your government to do everything for you

When did I expect government to do anything for me? You're projecting as you are the fan of nazi oppressive systems and you cry because Apartheid ended.

 

I only expect government to uphold the laws, protect borders and don't steal my hard earned money.

 

This post reflects that Soviet programming we have often discussed you grapple with ? We can talk about it now with no fear of criticism

 

Whats bothering you  the most about your quality of life?

[Malcador]

It's not about doing so much, it's being opposite in what is expected in treating people. When u give exceptions and benefits and don't hold the law to the same standard to someone because of someone's religion or citizen status but don't do the same positives to your own citizens, of course people gonna complain and get riled up.

The problem is that people aren't being treated EQUALLY. Treat the Muslims and the refugees and immigrants yeh same as your other citizens, this will die the **** down.

This is why "bleeding heart liberal" is a bad thing, when u go the extra mile for someone else than yeh ones u supposed to take care of, it causes friction and separation because the ones u supposed to take care of will feel slighted and lesser and the ones u going the extra mile will feel elevated and also get used to and think that is how it will always happen.

So Muslims and refugees are being treated better than citizens? Also how are Muslim citizens fitting in your thinking?

[Volourn]

"... the pope himself says we put them in concentration camps"

 

The pope is a moron. Perhaps, he should havevstayed in a concentration camp. Remember, btw, people were forced to be in 'cocnentration camps' and were subsequently sent to be murdered. The 'concentration camps' now are for people who chose to leave their countries because they are **** shows. They can alwasy go back. Theya lso  - by law - not being mass murdered - esxcept by each other largely and immorals cumbags. Not by the gov't. The refugee centers do not have the same puirpose as a concentration camp. It is intellectual dishonesty to comapre the two. EVIL.

Edited April 24, 2017 by Volourn

[Hurlshort]

 

It's not about doing so much, it's being opposite in what is expected in treating people. When u give exceptions and benefits and don't hold the law to the same standard to someone because of someone's religion or citizen status but don't do the same positives to your own citizens, of course people gonna complain and get riled up.

The problem is that people aren't being treated EQUALLY. Treat the Muslims and the refugees and immigrants yeh same as your other citizens, this will die the **** down.

This is why "bleeding heart liberal" is a bad thing, when u go the extra mile for someone else than yeh ones u supposed to take care of, it causes friction and separation because the ones u supposed to take care of will feel slighted and lesser and the ones u going the extra mile will feel elevated and also get used to and think that is how it will always happen.

So Muslims and refugees are being treated better than citizens? Also how are Muslim citizens fitting in your thinking?

 

 

This reminded me of this Louis CK bit. Language warning, but yeah, I can't imagine trading places with a Muslim American. 

 

 

redneckdevil, I'm not trying to make light of your claim though, can you give some examples where Muslims and refugees are being treated better than the average US citizen?

[redneckdevil]

Alright I'll look some up for evidence. Most was what remembered going on thru the Obama era.

Off the top of my head a few and I will look up actual links when I get home.

 

Cities having a separate EBT type program specifically for illegal immigrants paid for by the state, while also giving access to Federal EBT.

Religion wise for media, much better to be Muslim than any other religion. Remember a case won for some truck drivers that got fired for stopping OUTSIDE of their alotted breaks/lunches to pray. Also head garbs. Wear a head garbs and say its part of your religion, it's ok. Also where I work at, my friend doesn't have to work certain areas because of pork, funny because my Jewish friends usually has to work it instead lol. My friend tried the same thing and was told to suck it up. Dunno what else was said when he pressed, but dropped it completely. Under impression he would lose job.

Sanctuary cities totally against Federal law, but still around with support from media.

Overall vibe is to leave them be or else suffer the wrath of being labeled racist.

Is it okay for the media to go into someone's records and change what someone's religion is after they shot up a campus simply because at the time tensions were high about refugees?

Forcing states to accept refugees and pay for their housing, food, and bills for set amount of time?

Not stopping a Muslim gang rape ring that is known for years because otherwise they will be labeled racists?

When the USA Federal govt deletes the word "Islamic" from records of past terrorist attacks but leaves Catholic and Christian for past NRA bombings and church attacks and etc.

 

For most Muslims I know, they reg people. They just people. It's a religion like any other and has good and bad apples. Don't put it up as something to tread lightly around, treat it like everything else.

Also may seem like I have a thing against them personally which I don't. What I do have a problem with is giving special attention and ways and not giving access to others. I want everyone treated equally with all the good and bad that everyone else has. Otherwise we get this "victim" mentality that means we have to treat them different and better. **** that. Treat everyone just as good and just as bad all together.

 

Things are getting better though, maybe. Time will tell if it really is or just the eye of the storm.

[Wrath of Dagon]

Pencil neck geek scientist wedgie coming up.

[Wrath of Dagon]

 

From what i've seen in the news, the general picture is that France is on it's way to civil war as upt to 40% of the youth are leaning Le Pen for the very reason that they don't think that they have a place in their own country any more.

 

A youth growing up being completely displaced is a very negative trend indeed.

Maybe some  young people living in first world countries should stop feeling so entitled and realize their governments can only do so much for them ?

 

Yeah, they should quit feeling entitled to their government giving preference to their own citizens over everyone else.

[HoonDing]

"From what i've seen in the news, the general picture is that France is on it's way to civil war as upt to 40% of the youth are leaning Le Pen for the very reason that they don't think that they have a place in their own country any more.

"

 

guess they'll lose then

[Guard Dog]

Wow. The Supreme Court did two good things in to weeks. I'm surprised. Especially since the majority opinion in one of those was written by Ruth Bader Ginsburg who I usually have nothing good to say about.

 

In Nelson v Colorado they decided 7-1 (WTF Thomas?) that the state was not entitled to assets seized as proceeds of a crime where the conviction had been overturned. You see there is one thing and one thing only that government loves. Any government. All of them. Money. They love money. Governments are far more venal than these "big corporations" so many of you seem to be terrified of. Only the governments have police powers and can just take things from you. As I've said a miilion times the biggest company in the world could not take a single penny from my checking account without my approval. The smallest level of government right here in my home state can take all of it including my home, my dogs and my freedom. Ugh. There I go ranting again. Anyway. In Nelson v Colorado defendant Shannon Nelson was convicted of four counts of child abuse and sentenced to 20 years in prison. After a witness recanted she got a new trial and was acquitted. But the state kept all the money it seized even though technically no crime was ever committed.  http://reason.com/blog/2017/04/21/scotus-says-states-have-no-right-to-mone

 

The other good thing they did was decline to take up Illinois Transportation Trade Association v. City of Chicago. It seems the cab companies in Chicago don't like competition from Uber and Lyft and were trying to shut them down. http://reason.com/blog/2017/04/24/supreme-court-lets-stand-7th-circuit-vic