Ben No.3 Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 (edited) When talking about socialism, I often hear people bring up the "socialist classroom": a teacher redistributed the marks equally, and in the end, everyone lost motivation and grades fell endlessly. Well, my philosophy course (consisting of about 15 people) tried this. For us, it worked brilliantly. Let me say that while many (a bit more than half, others mostly liberal in the European sense) are certainly left wingers, anyone but me and one other girl is social democrat at max. It's lonely on the far left... the point of saying this is to show that this wasn't a bunch of socialist and communists trying to prove a point. Now, grades go from 0-15, 15 being the best. Before the experiment, the class average grade was between 10 and 11, with some below and very few spikes. Now, about came the socialist redistribution. First, we averaged at 11.6. After that, 9.7. Now, it became apparent that the "socialist order" created a dependence on one another. No one could be good unless everyone was good. And this lead to people helping one another out. The concept of only learning for yourself proved no longer viable. So people started helping each other a lot in class, and while I did not participate I know quite a few learning groups formed. Next test, everyone got around an 12 (11.78 I think). Yesterday, we received oral marks (which, in subjects like history, politics and also philosophy make up 50% of the total mark and is based on class participation). We ended up all getting a 14, which is the highest average the teacher ever gave a class. It appears, the "socialist classroom fails" concept is a myth. With the eatern holidays, the experiment comes to an end. I think we can declare it a success. Edited March 22, 2017 by Ben No.3 1 Everybody knows the deal is rotten Old Black Joe's still pickin' cotton For your ribbons and bows And everybody knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barothmuk Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 That's not socialism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben No.3 Posted March 22, 2017 Author Share Posted March 22, 2017 That's not socialism Distributing marks according to ability and need would require a much more complicated system. Besides, the point was to test the myth of te "socialist classroom", that is often brought up Everybody knows the deal is rotten Old Black Joe's still pickin' cotton For your ribbons and bows And everybody knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majestic Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Yesterday, we received oral marks. We ended up all getting a 14, which is the highest average the teacher ever gave a class. Heh. I just realized that I still haven't grown up. Heh. *chuckle* Sorry. It's a good skill to have. Really. Just not sure if a teacher should be the one teaching you. *snort* 1 No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben No.3 Posted March 22, 2017 Author Share Posted March 22, 2017 Yesterday, we received oral marks. We ended up all getting a 14, which is the highest average the teacher ever gave a class. Heh. I just realized that I still haven't grown up. Heh. *chuckle* Sorry. It's a good skill to have. Really. Just not sure if a teacher should be the one teaching you. *snort* Everybody knows the deal is rotten Old Black Joe's still pickin' cotton For your ribbons and bows And everybody knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard Dog Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 One-trick-pony "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blarghagh Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Snark: What do they say exceptions do to rules again? Non-snark: What's the timeframe and socio-economic status of your classroom? Are you representative of anything? Does it have any statistical outliers? How's class motivation? The way you describe it, it sounds like there was a directed effort towards making it work rather than an actual experiment to see what would happen? I don't actually care, but neither should you since as an experiment it looks meaningless, especially without a control group. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerekKruger Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 I don't actually care, but neither should you since as an experiment it looks meaningless, especially without a control group. Pretty much my thoughts. I don't know what research has been done on this sort of thing in the past, so I have very little idea what effect it would have, and this experiment doesn't really change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Breaking news: Teamwork helps students do better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoonDing Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Stealing kids' lunch money is socialism, no? The ending of the words is ALMSIVI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blarghagh Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Personally, remembering my school days I would have likely tanked such an experiment by myself. I'm an incredibly effective killjoy. :D 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard Dog Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 It sounds to me like a class I wouldn't have to work too hard in. "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blarghagh Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Philosophy class? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaeliorin Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Philosophy class? I got an A in the only philosophy class I ever took (it was required as a computer science major for some bizarre reason) without doing any of the reading, so... What I learned is that getting good grades in pretty much any of the humanities is easy as long as you can figure out what the teacher wants to hear, and are a competent bull****ter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PK htiw klaw eriF Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 This new alt is trash, you need to up your game. Philosophy class? I got an A in the only philosophy class I ever took (it was required as a computer science major for some bizarre reason) without doing any of the reading, so... What I learned is that getting good grades in pretty much any of the humanities is easy as long as you can figure out what the teacher wants to hear, and are a competent bull****ter. That's pretty much every class in my expereince. "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "you're a damned filthy lying robot and you deserve to die and burn in hell." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "I love cheese despite the pain and carnage." - ShadySands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaeliorin Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Philosophy class?I got an A in the only philosophy class I ever took (it was required as a computer science major for some bizarre reason) without doing any of the reading, so... What I learned is that getting good grades in pretty much any of the humanities is easy as long as you can figure out what the teacher wants to hear, and are a competent bull****ter. That's pretty much every class in my expereince. It's not really possible in STEM classes (or at least wasn't when I was in college.) You can't exactly BS your way through a calculus or organic chemistry exam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard Dog Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) At the risk of going OT have you guys noticed over the years the posting habits of the self proclaimed "socialists" and "communists"? Even the ones that were not trolls they seem to have a single minded devotion to their favored socioeconomic philosophy. It's all they ever talk about. Every topic they start, nearly every word they write range from the rantings of a zealot to the pleadings of a preacher trying to "convert" everyone to their faith. Don't get me wrong. We all love to argue over politics and economics but we also talk about sports, booze, women, men, movies, games, and day to day life. We have had a few (maybe more than a few) "true believers" along the way and it seems to me they can discuss nothing else. Real one-trick-ponies. I don't mean this as a criticism, merely and observation. Edited March 23, 2017 by Guard Dog "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PK htiw klaw eriF Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 There's at most 5 here now, counting Ben, to be very generous and that doesn't describe any besides Ben. "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "you're a damned filthy lying robot and you deserve to die and burn in hell." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "I love cheese despite the pain and carnage." - ShadySands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard Dog Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Well I'm also thinking of names from the past like Lord of the Flies, Humodor, Nur Ab Sal, Yushaa (substitute socilaisim for islam) and that one girl that used to rant about how we're all gonna die. "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgon Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Socialism is a lot of good intentions, sometimes it goes horribly wrong, but it is just that. The needs óf the many outweight the needs of the few and all that. Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjshae Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 I see a couple of dependent variables here that may bias the results. First, if the students are aware of the experiment and are motivated for it to succeed, it will work the first time. Second is the presumed maturity level of the participants, which allows them to cooperate for mutual success without succumbing to competitive desires. "It has just been discovered that research causes cancer in rats." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orogun01 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 I don't know what the **** are they going on about...as someone who was actually taught at socialist classrooms we don't believe in equal distribution. Teachers would do everything it took, from beatings to threats to actually teaching you. Tense environment but you got **** done.Really, it seems like a paradox since every class I had in the US was so much softer than my elementary school back in Cuba. I'd say the answer to that question is kind of like the answer to "who's the sucker in this poker game?"* *If you can't tell, it's you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 School is about equity, anyways. Equality is overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromnir Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) School is about equity, anyways. Equality is overrated. school. school? our goals as a student and as a student-athlete has always the same, regardless o' the level o' education. socialist classroom? bah. we subscribe to the robert e. howard school o' education and make no apologies for it. HA! Good Fun! Edited March 23, 2017 by Gromnir 2 "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben No.3 Posted March 23, 2017 Author Share Posted March 23, 2017 Well I'm also thinking of names from the past like Lord of the Flies, Humodor, Nur Ab Sal, Yushaa (substitute socilaisim for islam) and that one girl that used to rant about how we're all gonna die. Wait , what? Everybody knows the deal is rotten Old Black Joe's still pickin' cotton For your ribbons and bows And everybody knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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