Wrath of Dagon Posted February 7, 2017 Posted February 7, 2017 So I would say a country where most means of production are owned by the government is a socialist country. May be you can come up with other definitions, but unless they are historically significant I would argue that they're useless. "Moral indignation is a standard strategy for endowing the idiot with dignity." Marshall McLuhan
Darkpriest Posted February 7, 2017 Posted February 7, 2017 Seeing some of the terms being butchered... Here, have a go at this place first -> http://www.investopedia.com/dictionary/
BruceVC Posted February 7, 2017 Posted February 7, 2017 Okay Im unsure if you joking now? But I want to believe you being serious so I will respond in that way Do you have a corporate code of conduct around what the directors and or board members can or cannot do and do you have rules around what shareholding ? I would assume its unlikely but I would rather ask you and just to be clear what does what your company do? Why would I joke about this? Yes we have laws in this wild country in Europe. It states the responsibilities of shareholders and the board members. Those are separate positions but nothing is preventing shareholders to appoint themselves as the board and usually this is the case. In Poland at least...and Europe...and world My company is a producer of stationary and mobile stainless steel tanks. For example: Mark Zuckerberg is the CEO of Facebook and also is 28% shareholder. I apologize, yes I did assume you lived in a more rural environment because you described a massive overgrown garden and having to use scythes ....I know this sounds like a silly assumption to make but at times you do make comments that dont seem aligned to normal business practice. But of course I can recognise my mistake, I know Poland has very developed banking and corporate culture but also you have a very concerning right wing who want Poland to leave the EU. This is a choice people in a Democracy can make but I support the EU and we dont want anymore countries leaving the EU under some misplaced view of sovereignty So in other words I would be fine ignoring a right wing victory in a country like Poland and still find ways to prevent them leaving. This may seem like a dictatorship but obviously this would be done covertly. The reality is we dont want Poland leaving the EU even if the majority of citizens seem to want this, I am sure you will be grateful for this over the next 10 years or so "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
Chilloutman Posted February 7, 2017 Posted February 7, 2017 I apologize, yes I did assume you lived in a more rural environment because you described a massive overgrown garden and having to use scythes ....I know this sounds like a silly assumption to make but at times you do make comments that dont seem aligned to normal business practice. But of course I can recognise my mistake, I know Poland has very developed banking and corporate culture but also you have a very concerning right wing who want Poland to leave the EU. This is a choice people in a Democracy can make but I support the EU and we dont want anymore countries leaving the EU under some misplaced view of sovereignty So in other words I would be fine ignoring a right wing victory in a country like Poland and still find ways to prevent them leaving. This may seem like a dictatorship but obviously this would be done covertly. The reality is we dont want Poland leaving the EU even if the majority of citizens seem to want this, I am sure you will be grateful for this over the next 10 years or so Bruce I see some progress in you, but you still make same mistakes again and again 1) noone care if you want or don't want someone leave EU. Maybe instead of still railing against states leaving it you should focus on reason why they want to leave. Maybe you should start thinking about why not to change EU rather everyone who wants to leave it 2) wtf is 'misplaced view of sovereignty'? Any view different than yours? 1 I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene"
Chilloutman Posted February 7, 2017 Posted February 7, 2017 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/hillary-clinton-womens-march-makers-conference-future-is-female-a7566246.html that lady needs to learn what equality is, for god sake... I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene"
Wrath of Dagon Posted February 7, 2017 Posted February 7, 2017 She knows what it is, everyone is equal but the pigs are more equal. "Moral indignation is a standard strategy for endowing the idiot with dignity." Marshall McLuhan
Hurlshort Posted February 7, 2017 Posted February 7, 2017 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/hillary-clinton-womens-march-makers-conference-future-is-female-a7566246.html that lady needs to learn what equality is, for god sake... This kind of seems like a tone-deaf response to a women's empowerment movement. Do you want her to be like "Women are moving towards equality, but we need to make sure we line up exactly with the men and don't surpass them!" Like any group that has been dealing with subjugation and discrimination for centuries, you can expect a fair bit of grandstanding in order to bring attention to their cause. Heck, Trump won an election grandstanding about the poor neglected white men of this country.
Malcador Posted February 7, 2017 Posted February 7, 2017 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/hillary-clinton-womens-march-makers-conference-future-is-female-a7566246.html that lady needs to learn what equality is, for god sake... That's certainly an inspired reading of that article. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
Chilloutman Posted February 7, 2017 Posted February 7, 2017 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/hillary-clinton-womens-march-makers-conference-future-is-female-a7566246.html that lady needs to learn what equality is, for god sake... This kind of seems like a tone-deaf response to a women's empowerment movement. Do you want her to be like "Women are moving towards equality, but we need to make sure we line up exactly with the men and don't surpass them!" Like any group that has been dealing with subjugation and discrimination for centuries, you can expect a fair bit of grandstanding in order to bring attention to their cause. Heck, Trump won an election grandstanding about the poor neglected white men of this country. You have to understand that every action creates equally strong counter reaction, that's why you have now orange president. Until his opponents don't understand this expect 8 years of his fabulous hairs in White house I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene"
BruceVC Posted February 7, 2017 Posted February 7, 2017 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/hillary-clinton-womens-march-makers-conference-future-is-female-a7566246.html that lady needs to learn what equality is, for god sake... I agree with the general view we need more women in government and making decisions Lets be honest, men have been in charge for thousands of years. We have seen progress and we have seen decline yet the countries in the world that are the most benighted and dysfunctional also have no interests in equality or human rights and womens rights are normally absent So yes lets get more women into government and management. This doesn't mean we get ride of men but its needs to be more balanced "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
redneckdevil Posted February 7, 2017 Posted February 7, 2017 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/hillary-clinton-womens-march-makers-conference-future-is-female-a7566246.html that lady needs to learn what equality is, for god sake... I agree with the general view we need more women in government and making decisions Lets be honest, men have been in charge for thousands of years. We have seen progress and we have seen decline yet the countries in the world that are the most benighted and dysfunctional also have no interests in equality or human rights and womens rights are normally absent So yes lets get more women into government and management. This doesn't mean we get ride of men but its needs to be more balanced I agree with you, except for one thing. The balance. I say **** balance, lets get the ones who have earned the spot. Period. The end. 5
Chilloutman Posted February 7, 2017 Posted February 7, 2017 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/hillary-clinton-womens-march-makers-conference-future-is-female-a7566246.html that lady needs to learn what equality is, for god sake... I agree with the general view we need more women in government and making decisions Lets be honest, men have been in charge for thousands of years. We have seen progress and we have seen decline yet the countries in the world that are the most benighted and dysfunctional also have no interests in equality or human rights and womens rights are normally absent So yes lets get more women into government and management. This doesn't mean we get ride of men but its needs to be more balanced and who is holding these women from these jobs now? You want something no-one asking for. If you want more ladies in management you should talk to them to make correct carrier choices instead of walking through cities with vaginas on they heads, that will not make them CIOs, that will only make them look really silly 1 I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene"
Ben No.3 Posted February 7, 2017 Author Posted February 7, 2017 (edited) Doubly ironic considering who they're letting into their country. Interesting analyses: http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2017/02/real-message-behind-audis-super-bowl-ad-isnt-exactly-uplifting-one/ This made me laugh quite a lot. And I thought I over interpreted things. The author seems pissed that they in the end go into an expensive Audi and drive away. He sees this as representative of the upper class and they're tight grip on the lower class. Had this been simply a video clip, he would be right. But this is an ad, and thus I find it perfectly reasonable for Audi to show off. And I mean you have to give it to them, the car does look great. But again.... no message aside from "we make good looking cars BUY OUR STUFF PLEASE". The over interpretation of this ad also suffers from a logical error: if Audi beliefs that the upper class should always have the edge over the lower class, then why would they use that as an advertisement strategy? I'm no PR expert, but this does seem like a big middle finger towards many potential soon-to-be customers. So I don't see why they'd actually try to convey that message in an ad. The author of this article seems to be te kind of person who also would think that hard right winged billionaires who lie in bed with Wall Street would be a tremendous representative for the working class. It doesn't make all to much sense when you think about it. Bennie please summarize your view on what you think should be the most effective system of government, do you believe in Socialism or Communism? Can you give me an example of a country you think the West should emulate around ideology if at all ? Well I'd say I'm a socialist. As for what country we should emulate... well non. That's not the point... ideally, we take te best of everything. Finnish' education system, Switzerland's system of direct democracy, the US' limitations on the number of years the president can be in office, Germany's parliamentary system... The most effective government is one that is completely transparent and that can be put out of power by the people anytime. I'm a fan of close to complete release of all information on governmental action, and I'm a big fan of referendums, including such ones that can put te executive out of power. You see where I'm heading at? Do I believe in communism? As an utopian ideal, it is appealing. As with all utopias, it suffers from reality. Talking about political realities, I think the point is to take a socialist system and correct its problems with capitalist elements. So keep a free market, but regulate it heavily, give all people free education, health insurance and a guaranteed basic unconditional income, democracy at te workplace, no inherent wealth, no owners of land, shared cars inside of cities (as opposed to private ownership), governmental participation in central markets, .... I've also come to adopt many ecological standpoints. Bennie you make some points I agree with and I can see the potential. If i was the final decision maker around architectural design on your ideology I would only change one or two things but before I comment what is the unemployment rate and tax rate in your system? It is relevant to the objectives How am I to define the unemployment rate of a theoretical country? Same for taxes... have to adjust to the country. But they'll be quite high. Up to 60% maybe, if the country can support that. Taxes on wealth maybe up to 5%. Point being redistribution I should note that an unconditional basic income is only a temporary measure until it is ensured that absolutely everyone can afford a good standard of living. Edited February 7, 2017 by Ben No.3 Everybody knows the deal is rotten Old Black Joe's still pickin' cotton For your ribbons and bows And everybody knows
Hurlshort Posted February 7, 2017 Posted February 7, 2017 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/hillary-clinton-womens-march-makers-conference-future-is-female-a7566246.html that lady needs to learn what equality is, for god sake... I agree with the general view we need more women in government and making decisions Lets be honest, men have been in charge for thousands of years. We have seen progress and we have seen decline yet the countries in the world that are the most benighted and dysfunctional also have no interests in equality or human rights and womens rights are normally absent So yes lets get more women into government and management. This doesn't mean we get ride of men but its needs to be more balanced I agree with you, except for one thing. The balance. I say **** balance, lets get the ones who have earned the spot. Period. The end. Sounds good, although I am a bit worried because most of the women I know work way harder than me.
Raithe Posted February 7, 2017 Posted February 7, 2017 To interject into the middle of serious politics... "Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum."
Raithe Posted February 7, 2017 Posted February 7, 2017 3 "Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum."
Amentep Posted February 7, 2017 Posted February 7, 2017 Regarding Clinton's comments, its not in the way she intended it (which was more of a positive message thing, as I read it), but for the US the increasing reliance on degrees as a requirement for employment/advancement/leadership positions and the trend (since about 1979) of their being more women than men in college (currently 57% or so of all undergraduate college students are women, 58% of post-baccalaureate; I've seen regional data that women are being conferred more degrees at every level than Doctorate) means that inevitably the qualified pool of women vs men will slightly favor women. 1 I cannot - yet I must. How do you calculate that? At what point on the graph do "must" and "cannot" meet? Yet I must - but I cannot! ~ Ro-Man
Chilloutman Posted February 7, 2017 Posted February 7, 2017 Regarding Clinton's comments, its not in the way she intended it (which was more of a positive message thing, as I read it), but for the US the increasing reliance on degrees as a requirement for employment/advancement/leadership positions and the trend (since about 1979) of their being more women than men in college (currently 57% or so of all undergraduate college students are women, 58% of post-baccalaureate; I've seen regional data that women are being conferred more degrees at every level than Doctorate) means that inevitably the qualified pool of women vs men will slightly favor women. yeah, what fields? I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene"
Amentep Posted February 7, 2017 Posted February 7, 2017 Regarding Clinton's comments, its not in the way she intended it (which was more of a positive message thing, as I read it), but for the US the increasing reliance on degrees as a requirement for employment/advancement/leadership positions and the trend (since about 1979) of their being more women than men in college (currently 57% or so of all undergraduate college students are women, 58% of post-baccalaureate; I've seen regional data that women are being conferred more degrees at every level than Doctorate) means that inevitably the qualified pool of women vs men will slightly favor women. yeah, what fields? Sadly the data I had doesn't break it down to more granularity than that so the ability to look at program specifics isn't there. Given other data, I can make a reasonable hypothesis that the majority of women aren't doing STEM track (which nationwide in other studies still trends towards greater enrollment of men). I cannot - yet I must. How do you calculate that? At what point on the graph do "must" and "cannot" meet? Yet I must - but I cannot! ~ Ro-Man
HoonDing Posted February 7, 2017 Posted February 7, 2017 The future is female. The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.
Malcador Posted February 7, 2017 Posted February 7, 2017 Until a guy shows up and ****s them over, at least Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
redneckdevil Posted February 7, 2017 Posted February 7, 2017 (edited) http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/hillary-clinton-womens-march-makers-conference-future-is-female-a7566246.html that lady needs to learn what equality is, for god sake... I agree with the general view we need more women in government and making decisions Lets be honest, men have been in charge for thousands of years. We have seen progress and we have seen decline yet the countries in the world that are the most benighted and dysfunctional also have no interests in equality or human rights and womens rights are normally absent So yes lets get more women into government and management. This doesn't mean we get ride of men but its needs to be more balanced I agree with you, except for one thing. The balance. I say **** balance, lets get the ones who have earned the spot. Period. The end. Sounds good, although I am a bit worried because most of the women I know work way harder than me. Lol time to (wo)MAN up then! Edited February 7, 2017 by redneckdevil 1
Meshugger Posted February 7, 2017 Posted February 7, 2017 Until a guy shows up and ****s them over, at least Well, the guy was the creation of a woman's right to choose though. 1 "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy
Raithe Posted February 7, 2017 Posted February 7, 2017 (edited) I have to admit, it is kind of interesting to see the reports about how DeVos family contributions had been made to every single senator in the room voting on her confirmation... DeVoss family gave nearly $10 million prior to 2016 election http://endcitizensunited.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Web-DeVos.pdf Edited February 7, 2017 by Raithe 1 "Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum."
redneckdevil Posted February 7, 2017 Posted February 7, 2017 Same ol same ol again with cronies it looks like sadly
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