The US Election, Part XI

[Hurlshort]

 

They are giving to a cause they believe in. Is that foolish?

 

 

 

Meanwhile, what the greatness of America is all about:

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-muslim-registry-immigrants-policy-kris-bobach-reinstate-wall-a7420296.html

Other than being potential hit list material, what benefit is to this?

 

 

The weird thing is a similar system was abandoned years ago because it was redundant.  Because WE ALREADY DO THIS.  If you come into the US, you go on a list.  

[redneckdevil]

Media......just die already. Your shooting urself in ur damn foot, **** I feel like u already blew off ur leg and now pulling a Cheney.

 

Can someone please explain the hate and backlash Trump is getting from A. Not accepting the presidential salary and B. Blowing up because he wanted to have a family dinner without the media.

 

Seriously, WTF is going on?!

[Ganrich]

Media......just die already. Your shooting urself in ur damn foot, **** I feel like u already blew off ur leg and now pulling a Cheney.

 

Can someone please explain the hate and backlash Trump is getting from A. Not accepting the presidential salary and B. Blowing up because he wanted to have a family dinner without the media.

 

Seriously, WTF is going on?!

They are doing anything and everything to break his supporters and cause division.

 

It is because of a few things IMHO.

 

1) They weren't pulling for him, breaking ethics for him, and don't like him.

 

2) He said he would implement slander laws to tone down their accusations. (dunno if I agree with him, but I'm just stating it here).

 

3) He just put the head honcho of Breitbart into his cabinet. This indicates he won't be relying on traditional media, and they will be left out in the cold. So they say Bannon is racist and whatever else.

 

4) They were caught cheating in the election (CNN did anyway).

 

The MSM isn't trusted by most, and has been more propaganda than news lately. They don't want to lose power, but the upcoming president doesnt like them and they think they can destroy him.

 

This is why Facebook and other social media is on the warpath against "Fake" news. They know the jig is up, and have to try and stop people from looking elsewhere. It's sad.

[Wrath of Dagon]

 

 

They are giving to a cause they believe in. Is that foolish?

 

 

 

Meanwhile, what the greatness of America is all about:

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-muslim-registry-immigrants-policy-kris-bobach-reinstate-wall-a7420296.html

Other than being potential hit list material, what benefit is to this?

 

 

The weird thing is a similar system was abandoned years ago because it was redundant.  Because WE ALREADY DO THIS.  If you come into the US, you go on a list.

 

If you read the article, they are talking about visitors from countries where widespread terrorist movements are active. If everyone is on the list, that's too many people to monitor.

[Gromnir]

http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/trumps-transition-team-is-just-now-learning-what-a-pres-1788949997#_ga=1.166157886.1232049420.1467514373

 

trump unaware o' the role o' the Presidency in our federal government?  color us shocked.

 

http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/88086-us-election-2016-part-iii/page-7?hl=%2Bschoolhouse+%2Brock&do=findComment&comment=1828131

 

haven't checked our fbi file for a few years.  sending a dvd collection o' the schoolhouse rock videos to trump might get us an update entry.

 

https://smile.amazon.com/Schoolhouse-Rock-Special-30th-Anniversary/dp/B00005JKTY/ref=smi_www_rco2_go_smi_g2609328962?_encoding=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0&ie=UTF8

 

HA! Good Fun!

[BruceVC]

The blame game is finally starting to take off

 

I find it sad and amusing at the same time

Why do you feel guilty? I told you  guys not to vote independent 

 

There are many reasons Trump won this election, do you want to know who I think needs to take the most responsibility ?

[BruceVC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leaCE7ra20M

 

This is why Democrats and SJW Nazis like Bruce still don't get why they lost. They were warned.

Firstly no one thought Trump would win...but I have been analyzing this election and I can give you several reasons for the Trump  victory if you want to know?

[BruceVC]

Media......just die already. Your shooting urself in ur damn foot, **** I feel like u already blew off ur leg and now pulling a Cheney.

 

Can someone please explain the hate and backlash Trump is getting from A. Not accepting the presidential salary and B. Blowing up because he wanted to have a family dinner without the media.

 

Seriously, WTF is going on?!

Who you referring to when you say A and B?

[ShadySands]

 

The blame game is finally starting to take off

 

I find it sad and amusing at the same time

Why do you feel guilty? I told you  guys not to vote independent 

 

There are many reasons Trump won this election, do you want to know who I think needs to take the most responsibility ?

 

Who feels guilty?

[Volourn]

'Our source'? Does the media expect us to believe them with their 'sources'? Their sources, their oipinions, their 'facts' have been to be WRONG repeatedly. Their words are meaningless outside of us getting a few chuckles out of it. Keep up the good work fellas we needs the entertainment.

 

 

" were allegedly devastated:"

 

It's nonsense like this that makes it impossible to take the writer seriously. This must  be a joke article.

Edited November 17, 2016 by Volourn

[BruceVC]

 

 

The blame game is finally starting to take off

 

I find it sad and amusing at the same time

Why do you feel guilty? I told you  guys not to vote independent 

 

There are many reasons Trump won this election, do you want to know who I think needs to take the most responsibility ?

 

Who feels guilty?

 

 

I assumed you were because you ignored what Obama said to you when he said   "  people MUST  vote for Hilary if they care about my legacy "  ?

[ShadySands]

No, I felt sorry for Obama... that and disappointed

[Volourn]

His legacy of assassinating Amerikans with no trial? Or his legacy of mass murdering Syrians? Or his legacy of extremist muslims mass murdering gays in a bar? Or his legacy of fearmongering to the point that crybabies are making up horrible stories or  attacking black and latinos who 'dared' to vote Trump? EPIC LEGACY IS EPIC.

[BruceVC]

'Our source'? Does the media expect us to believe them with their 'sources'? Their sources, their oipinions, their 'facts' have been to be WRONG repeatedly. Their words are meaningless outside of us getting a few chuckles out of it. Keep up the good work fellas we needs the entertainment.

Hold on ....so now "  you dont trust the media ".....since when volo?

 

Volo no need to jump on the " down with the media bandwagon"  its more an American thing

 

I still trust the media on most things, the media was manipulated by the Trump campaign.....its not our fault we focused on the wrong issues 

[BruceVC]

No, I felt sorry for Obama... that and disappointed

I'm  just teasing you, you went to Iraq and served your country. I would never tell you who you should vote for  

 

At the time I thought you were overreacting but the truth is Obama overplayed the whole "  people who care about my legacy must vote for Hilary " 

 

Hilary was not Obama, even if people like myself believed the hype

 

But I still have huge respect for Obama and firmly believe history will judge him favorably 

 

He still  has  a very high popularity rating which is unusual for this time of second term ? 

 

 http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/prez_track_nov16

[Bartimaeus]

No, I felt sorry for Obama... that and disappointed

 

I have difficulty mustering up much sympathy for Obama...or the Democratic Party in general...when it was partly thanks to their efforts in trying to ensure that Hillary won the primaries that we now have Trump as president. It's not like her various scandals and flaws weren't well-known then. No, I feel bad for Bernie Sanders, who was cheated and insulted by the people who were supposed to share a similar ideology to him...and for all of us who actually tried to get him to win.

Edited November 17, 2016 by Bartimaeus

[BruceVC]

 

No, I felt sorry for Obama... that and disappointed

 

I have difficulty mustering up much sympathy for Obama...or the Democratic Party in general...when it was partly thanks to their efforts in trying to ensure that Hillary won the primaries that we now have Trump as president. It's not like her various scandals and flaws weren't well-known then. No, I feel bad for Bernie Sanders, who was cheated and insulted by the people who were supposed to share a similar ideology to him...and for all of us who actually tried to get him to win.

 

And the fact he was a far left populist didnt bother you ?

 

Barti I liked Sanders, I always did but you realize many things he promised or suggested  he wouldn't be able to actually do....like breaking up the Investment Banks ?

[ShadySands]

 

 

No, I felt sorry for Obama... that and disappointed

 

I have difficulty mustering up much sympathy for Obama...or the Democratic Party in general...when it was partly thanks to their efforts in trying to ensure that Hillary won the primaries that we now have Trump as president. It's not like her various scandals and flaws weren't well-known then. No, I feel bad for Bernie Sanders, who was cheated and insulted by the people who were supposed to share a similar ideology to him...and for all of us who actually tried to get him to win.

 

And the fact he was a far left populist didnt bother you ?

 

Barti I liked Sanders, I always did but you realize many things he promised or suggested  he wouldn't be able to actually do....like breaking up the Investment Banks ?

Separate investment and commercial banking is how it was from the 1930s (correct me if I'm wrong here) until Bill Clinton so it doesn't seem that radical to me

[imaenoon]

Some people said that if Trump were within 2% in the RCP average of polls that he would win. Some also said that bulk of the electorate would ignore the tax returns and concentrate on the more salacious aspects of the campaign. Some people said that opportunistic charges of racism, sexism, and homophobia would eventually have diminishing and then perversely contrary effects. Who could have thought that crying wolf would eventually invite a wolf into our midst? That was facetious.

 

I personally didn't think Trump's past was the problem, merely his response to it. From a purely political perspective, mind you. Trump and Clinton are both unsavory characters. Once he started shutting up about his accusers and concentrated on the debate between Clinton's policies versus his own, he firmed up his numbers. That was already happening before the debacle of Comey's repeated proclamations, of which I counted four(if one reckons the House committee hearing). I was happy to take Comey at face value the first time, was unsure why he agreed to meet with a committee that doesn't even oversee his organization (the FBI is purely executive as I understand it) and then thought he looked unhinged to send out two letters so close to the election that would certainly make both parties unhappy and not in a good 'both sides hate me' sort of way. More like, 'he's the quintessential amateur' brand of stupidity.

 

One last thought: Clinton won the popular vote. Fair enough. Even if she had won the election, the Democrats still would have put forth a dismal effort. I know this might elicit a barrage of internet 'facts,' but the Democrats should really take a look at their message and their brand. I said to people a long time ago, before Donald Trump won the nomination as a matter of fact, that the Democrats who were gleeful at the prospect of running against him shouldn't be so happy because he might just win. I remember distinctly someone laughing at me and saying something to the effect that he was simply not electable and that the Republic would never go for him. I'm not laughing now because the whole affair is too sordid for my tastes. The only good to come out of this is that maybe, and I'm not even very hopeful about this, we've rid ourselves of the Clintons for good. I don't hate Bill or Hillary. I wish them no harm. They are, like everyone else, innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. ...But we are all better off to see them retire, Republicans, Independents, and Democrats all.

[licketysplit]

It's downright humiliating the dems lost to a guy like Trump. They need to quit making excuses, and most of all, purge the Clintons who do nothing but make excuses for failure. So funny we were all lecturing republicans a few years ago, that they need to reassess their values and their message - and it's true. But it goes for both parties now.

[Guard Dog]

 

 

 

No, I felt sorry for Obama... that and disappointed

 

I have difficulty mustering up much sympathy for Obama...or the Democratic Party in general...when it was partly thanks to their efforts in trying to ensure that Hillary won the primaries that we now have Trump as president. It's not like her various scandals and flaws weren't well-known then. No, I feel bad for Bernie Sanders, who was cheated and insulted by the people who were supposed to share a similar ideology to him...and for all of us who actually tried to get him to win.

 

And the fact he was a far left populist didnt bother you ?

 

Barti I liked Sanders, I always did but you realize many things he promised or suggested  he wouldn't be able to actually do....like breaking up the Investment Banks ?

Separate investment and commercial banking is how it was from the 1930s (correct me if I'm wrong here) until Bill Clinton so it doesn't seem that radical to me

 

You are correct. And you are also correct that Clinton signed the law that put an end to that. But it actually started under Carter.

[Guard Dog]

 

The blame game is finally starting to take off

 

I find it sad and amusing at the same time

Why do you feel guilty? I told you  guys not to vote independent 

 

There are many reasons Trump won this election, do you want to know who I think needs to take the most responsibility ?

 

Do tell.

[Guard Dog]

Kudos to Rand Paul: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/rand-paul-john-bolton-totally-195153495.html

[Meshugger]

John Bolton is another Neocon who should not be anywhere near any power.

[BruceVC]

 

 

The blame game is finally starting to take off

 

I find it sad and amusing at the same time

Why do you feel guilty? I told you  guys not to vote independent 

 

There are many reasons Trump won this election, do you want to know who I think needs to take the most responsibility ?

 

Do tell.

 

I'm glad someone asked, I am a modest person and hate just making posts unless people ask 

 

Firstly this election was  a huge paradigm shift for me  and I have learnt some very important lessons about several societal issues. Also I stand by my support of Hilary and the Democrats but I also realize I was wrong about some of the things I thought about Trump, so I support him now as president but I'm not flip flopping just because he won.

 

 

This point is very complex and has a myriad of levels but I'll try to summarize it

 

 

Most of us firmly believe in  a world where we reject  historical bigotry and where we live in a society where we have equal opportunities to succeed. But that doesnt mean white men cannot express there opinion or somehow there views are ignored because of the history of the rise of the West

 

SJ in RL is important but it cannot be the only metric we use to determine value, for example during the election race every single night I would watch the numerous media networks and basically the conversation was always about some offensive comment Trump had made and how he was a real bigot....yet the discussion around political policy was basically neglected ...yet this was an election

 

I dont blame the media because I was also convinced debates about Trumps " build the wall " mattered more than anything else. Most debates about equality have got to a stage nowadays where a white males opinion is ignored because of the history of the modern  world and colonialism. For example I assumed every white person who didnt agree with the general SJ narrative was being a bigot or intentionally ignorant, this was because of my own history living in South Africa where I always hear generalizations about white people but we just ignore it because its meaningless and based on insecurity 

 

But what about a white person who is not a bigot but also doesn't necessarily understand or support the various SJ narratives we see nowadays.....he should be allowed to say " no I dont think I should be now called a racist just because Im not agreeing with how a certain group should be treated differently because of past injustice ". A white male should be able to disagree without the assumption he is a bigot

 

Throughout the world countries that offer there citizens the best quality of life and also have strong economies all support human rights and practice equality. Yet in many cases when the Europeans first came to  these countries they did exploit or kill much of the original inhabitants. I support understanding and addressing this imbalance but  a constant guilt trip on the descendants  of the original white settlers becomes unhelpful and can be abused

 

Western countries welcome immigrants yet in many cases we have ignored certain cases of refugees refusing to accept our values. For example the isolated but real incidents of some Muslims living in the UK  where they have no respect for white women yet are happy to accept the  social advantages of living in the UK is simply unacceptable...respect the values of Western countries or leave

 

What confused this US  election is the way the SJ lines were almost immediately drawn...anyone who wanted to support Trump was a bigot and all " normal and reasonable " people obviously supported Hilary. Of course Trump exacerbated this specious assumption by his comments so it was understandable most of us assumed things about him

 

But for example when Carson supported Trump it was considered inconceivable for most of us. And why should women have to lie when pollsters asked them who they would support? Clearly this is an aberration yet it was ignored 

 

The Obama legacy is  a good and reasonable initiative yet it is a socialist hybrid and in the context of the USA was seen as unpopular and intrusive by many. So despite its good intentions it  needs to be redesigned 

 

Now this doesn't mean I will be changing any of personal views on SJ and of course we musn't ignore real bigotry or discrimination but we ignore what normal white men\women are fearing or thinking we will end up with the current reality of the USA

 

We have no idea what his presidency will really mean so I want to wait and see. But we cannot ignore there are people supporting him who do believe in white supremacy yet they are just a part of his complex support structure. 

 

So going forward we need to recognize white men are allowed to have a voice and opinion, if this is dismissed we risk an outcome like we seeing in the USA which Im sure will be fine but was unpredictable