Kentucky County Clerk still Refuses to issue Gay Marriage License

[Leferd]

Volo probably has it right of me. Fascist wing of the Democrat party.

[Raithe]

So the internet strikes with...

 

[BruceVC]

So the internet strikes with...

 

 

[213374U]

Heh. I find it sorta troubling that a) folks are getting their pants in a bunch over a public official having *the gall* to disagree with and not act according to the law of the land (*cough*) and b) that apparently the first and only recourse when this happens is to throw the offender in jail IMMEDIATELY.
 
I wonder, what were all these honourable judges doing when, oh, I don't know, Dubya launched a war without Congressional declaration?
 
The message here is, mess with the LGTBQASDFOMGWTFBBQ clique = indefinite prison sentence. Kill a few thousand sand **** (and US troops) = cozy Secret Service-protected, taxpayer-funded retirement, right?

edit: removed quotation, made no sense. Still, comparing (even loosely) Thomas More with this hypocritical kook made me chuckle.

Edited September 3, 2015 by 213374U

[Guard Dog]

So the internet strikes with...

 

You beat me to it Raithe. Why is it the defenders of morality seldom are champions of it in their own lives?

 

Or maybe we just are hip deep in hypocrites after all.  

 

The truth is if you have a moral objection the right thing to do would be resign. Not pull a Wallace and stand in front of the school house door. 

[BruceVC]

Heh. I find it sorta troubling that a) folks are getting their pants in a bunch over a public official having *the gall* to disagree with and not act according to the law of the land (*cough*) and b) that apparently the first and only recourse when this happens is to throw the offender in jail IMMEDIATELY.

 

I wonder, what were all these honourable judges doing when, oh, I don't know, Dubya launched a war without Congressional declaration?

 

The message here is, mess with the LGTBQASDFOMGWTFBBQ clique = indefinite prison sentence. Kill a few thousand sand **** (and US troops) = cozy Secret Service-protected, taxpayer-funded retirement, right?

 

edit: removed quotation, made no sense. Still, comparing (even loosely) Thomas More with this hypocritical kook made me chuckle.

Epic fail of analysis ...weird for you as you are normally much more insightful on these matters

 

Its a bad example to compare any war to this ....not sure how that is relevant in any way ?

[BruceVC]

 

So the internet strikes with...

 

You beat me to it Raithe. Why is it the defenders of morality seldom are champions of it in their own lives?

 

Or maybe we just are hip deep in hypocrites after all.  

 

The truth is if you have a moral objection the right thing to do would be resign. Not pull a Wallace and stand in front of the school house door. 

 

 

GD would you say she is hot in a court clerk sort of way ?

[213374U]

Its a bad example to compare any war to this ....not sure how that is relevant in any way ?

 

The point is that, as usual, the full weight of the law is falling on this idiot because she's small fish and being open about her reasons. If you are a big shot and smart enough to spread responsibility around with legal gymnastics, you can get away with murder, quite literally.

 

We're all equal under the law, but some are more equal than others, right?

Edited September 4, 2015 by 213374U

[BruceVC]

 

Its a bad example to compare any war to this ....not sure how that is relevant in any way ?

 

The point is that, as usual, the full weight of the law is falling on this idiot because she's small fish and being open about her reasons. If you are a big shot and smart enough to spread responsibility around with legal gymnastics, you can get away with murder, quite literally.

 

We're all equal under the law, but some are more equal than others, right?

 

To be fair this incident is a bit more significant than just some women

 

She represents one of  the last remaining unreasonable resistances to a Supreme Court ruling..its more symbolic 

 

And she was given many options and time to abide by the law ?

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

 

Its a bad example to compare any war to this ....not sure how that is relevant in any way ?

 

 

The point is that, as usual, the full weight of the law is falling on this idiot because she's small fish and being open about her reasons. If you are a big shot and smart enough to spread responsibility around with legal gymnastics, you can get away with murder, quite literally.

 

We're all equal under the law, but some are more equal than others, right?

Clearly some backwater clerk not marrying gays is more grievous than starting a war or crashing the economy.

[Volourn]

"I'm sure ISIS think they are following the word of God."

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SJW detected.

 

You just compared someone not giving a piece of legal paper to someone to a group who goes around mass murdering and raping. BRILLIANT WORK.

[Hurlshort]

"I'm sure ISIS think they are following the word of God."

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SJW detected.

 

You just compared someone not giving a piece of legal paper to someone to a group who goes around mass murdering and raping. BRILLIANT WORK.

 

Yeah, next you are going to compare whiny twitter people to Nazis!  

[BruceVC]

"I'm sure ISIS think they are following the word of God."

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SJW detected.

 

You just compared someone not giving a piece of legal paper to someone to a group who goes around mass murdering and raping. BRILLIANT WORK.

Yes they do think they religious..in fact ISIS takes certain parts of the Koran very literally 

 

Many Muslims don't consider them Islamic ....I don't know. I just consider them extremists that need to be annihilated 

[Calax]

I think it should be considered that the case of Ms. Davis is one in which she's deliberately ignoring the highest power in the land about the very facet of her job. From the law's standpoint this isn't about her personal moral stance on a particular item of the day, instead it's the fact that one person is deliberately standing up to the court and everything the court stands for within the bounds of the United States. If you cannot force one hick from the middle of the poorest regions of the states to comply with the law of the land, how can you say you have the authority and ability to enforce any other law within the realm of the government?

 

Were I in the courts shoes, this wouldn't be about the marriages anymore, this is about her refusing to capitulate to those deemed her superior in authority. She can claim that God's authority is higher, but she has to deal with the here and now, and the consequences of her decisions. After all, what's a short lifetime in prison if she's spending eternity in Heaven for "standing up for her beliefs" anyway.

[JadedWolf]

If it's fair that this woman can reject doing this, I think it should be equally fair for people to be able to say "Can I be helped by someone else, please? I don't want to be helped by religious nutjobs."

 

In fact, make two separate queues. One for religious nutjobs, and one for enlightened, reasonable people.

[BruceVC]

If it's fair that this woman can reject doing this, I think it should be equally fair for people to be able to say "Can I be helped by someone else, please? I don't want to be helped by religious nutjobs."

 

In fact, make two separate queues. One for religious nutjobs, and one for enlightened, reasonable people.

I don't know, I am not that sympathetic to people who make excuses for simply not doing there job

[Guard Dog]

Taking a moral stand however flawed the reasoning is an admirable thing IMO. But the moral choice here is not to refuse to obey the law, the moral choice would be to resign if your conscience will not permit you to do your job. I read elsewhere a blog comparing her to Rosa Parks but the comparison is not valid. Rosa Parks took an affirmative action in defiance of the law for her own liberty. She did not force a white passenger to sit in the back, she did not prevent white passengers from getting on the bus. Kim Davis is taking  an affirmative action in defiance of the law that does not enhance her own liberty but restricts someone else's. That isn't moral, it's selfish.

[teknoman2]

the thing is though, that she can't be allowed to force the beliefs of HER religion into other people's business. USA is not a theocracy like Iran where the rules of the religion are the law of the land. in USA (and any non theocratic country in the world) you are free to be as religious as you want, but you are not free to impose your religion's rules on the lawful rights of others

[BruceVC]

Taking a moral stand however flawed the reasoning is an admirable thing IMO. But the moral choice here is not to refuse to obey the law, the moral choice would be to resign if your conscience will not permit you to do your job. I read elsewhere a blog comparing her to Rosa Parks but the comparison is not valid. Rosa Parks took an affirmative action in defiance of the law for her own liberty. She did not force a white passenger to sit in the back, she did not prevent white passengers from getting on the bus. Kim Davis is taking  an affirmative action in defiance of the law that does not enhance her own liberty but restricts someone else's. That isn't moral, it's selfish.

 

What annoys me more and,remember I really support SJ causes,is I thought in the beginning she was doing this because she was truly religious and I had sympathy for that

 

But  I'm sorry after seeing her marriage record I have now realized she cannot be a person of that much real conviction ...and it annoys me that she delayed the process that long 

[Raithe]

To truly run with the internet on this even more...

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BruceVC]

Taking a moral stand however flawed the reasoning is an admirable thing IMO. But the moral choice here is not to refuse to obey the law, the moral choice would be to resign if your conscience will not permit you to do your job. I read elsewhere a blog comparing her to Rosa Parks but the comparison is not valid. Rosa Parks took an affirmative action in defiance of the law for her own liberty. She did not force a white passenger to sit in the back, she did not prevent white passengers from getting on the bus. Kim Davis is taking  an affirmative action in defiance of the law that does not enhance her own liberty but restricts someone else's. That isn't moral, it's selfish.

@ GD and others

 

You guys realize its Republicans who would be making the whole spurious Rosa Parks analogy....its an insult to your intelligence. They are basically suggesting you guys are rednecks who live in the wild and aren't as informed as " us city folk " 

 

This would be a good and understandable time to switch to Democrats and Hilary...no one will judge you

[Leferd]

 

 

Taking a moral stand however flawed the reasoning is an admirable thing IMO. But the moral choice here is not to refuse to obey the law, the moral choice would be to resign if your conscience will not permit you to do your job. I read elsewhere a blog comparing her to Rosa Parks but the comparison is not valid. Rosa Parks took an affirmative action in defiance of the law for her own liberty. She did not force a white passenger to sit in the back, she did not prevent white passengers from getting on the bus. Kim Davis is taking an affirmative action in defiance of the law that does not enhance her own liberty but restricts someone else's. That isn't moral, it's selfish.

@ GD and others

 

You guys realize its Republicans who would be making the whole spurious Rosa Parks analogy....its an insult to your intelligence. They are basically suggesting you guys are rednecks who live in the wild and aren't as informed as " us city folk "

 

This would be a good and understandable time to switch to Democrats and Hilary...no one will judge you

Bruce, speaking as a democrat -- albeit with fascist tendencies -- there are Republicans who absolutely get it, and Democrats that are plain morons. The problem with today's political climate in America is that the loud voices tend to drown out those who are willing pragmatists. I personally have no problem with most Republicans I know --hell I'm very good friends and even related to many of them. Unfortunately, good sense has been hijacked by partisan rhetoric and irresponsible governance.

 

Debate is good. Discourse is good. I want good, responsible Republicans and Democrats actually working together to form a working government. I would vote for another Eisenhower or George H.W. Bush. I would've even been tempted by Jon Huntsman had he won the Republican primary in 2012.

[Gorgon]

Why is a marriage licence clerk an elected official and why can't they just fire her for not doing her job. These are the real questions. Fix that first. 

[BruceVC]

 

 

Taking a moral stand however flawed the reasoning is an admirable thing IMO. But the moral choice here is not to refuse to obey the law, the moral choice would be to resign if your conscience will not permit you to do your job. I read elsewhere a blog comparing her to Rosa Parks but the comparison is not valid. Rosa Parks took an affirmative action in defiance of the law for her own liberty. She did not force a white passenger to sit in the back, she did not prevent white passengers from getting on the bus. Kim Davis is taking an affirmative action in defiance of the law that does not enhance her own liberty but restricts someone else's. That isn't moral, it's selfish.

@ GD and others

 

You guys realize its Republicans who would be making the whole spurious Rosa Parks analogy....its an insult to your intelligence. They are basically suggesting you guys are rednecks who live in the wild and aren't as informed as " us city folk "

 

This would be a good and understandable time to switch to Democrats and Hilary...no one will judge you

Bruce, speaking as a democrat -- albeit with fascist tendencies -- there are Republicans who absolutely get it, and Democrats that are plain morons. The problem with today's political climate in America is that the loud voices tend to drown out those who are willing pragmatists. I personally have no problem with most Republicans I know --hell I'm very good friends and even related to many of them. Unfortunately, good sense has been hijacked by partisan rhetoric and irresponsible governance.

 

Debate is good. Discourse is good. I want good, responsible Republicans and Democrats actually working together to form a working government. I would vote for another Eisenhower or George H.W. Bush. I would've even been tempted by Jon Huntsman had he won the Republican primary in 2012.

 

 

Yes I know not all Republicans are bad, as I mentioned all the Americans I work with are Republicans. I would never judge a person on the party he supports ....that would be a very myopic way of looking at people

 

For me I judge people on there actual views and actions....for example someone who was a racist or shows homophobia. This " criticism " of mine towards the Republicans is just politics, its not personal. But I do want the Democrats to win as I want the  Obama policies to continue as they have been very good for the USA ..so I would love for someone like GD to vote Democrats so he isn't disappointed when they win...I like him 

[ShadySands]

Why is a marriage licence clerk an elected official and why can't they just fire her for not doing her job. These are the real questions. Fix that first.

 

They do more than just issue marriage licenses and maybe the title clerk makes it seem less important than it is.

 

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Thanks,

Kim Davis

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Edited September 4, 2015 by ShadySands