Supreme Court: Same-sex couples can marry in all 50 states

[BruceVC]

To be fair, they were hipsters trying to be funny. I wasn't offended or off put, myself. I mean, c'mon...it IS San Francisco.

Okay fair enough, I see the context

[Blarghagh]

Oh cool, Fox News have something to blame the upcoming hurricane season on.

[Oerwinde]

Westboro Baptist Church must be going effing crazy

[Blarghagh]

Favourite social media responses I've seen so far were "screw this, I'm moving to Canada" and the 3-time divorcee going "this has ruined marriage forever!"

[ManifestedISO]

Meanwhile, the chronically ringless had this to say about marriage in general. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ja47-Ctd04c

 

Really, though, happy to see everyone get the chance, if they choose. 

[Ineth]

I think having the state(the US in this case, not individual states) being the arbitrator if what constitutes a "legitimate" relationship between individuals was a mistake in the first place. People should be free to marry who they wish without interference from the state.

 

They already are, if by "marry" you mean "make wedding vows before witnesses (and god if that's your thing), and live together accordingly".

 

The question is, which of those marriages should receive state recognition along with tax benefits and bureaucratic/legal conveniences.

[Elerond]

 

I think having the state(the US in this case, not individual states) being the arbitrator if what constitutes a "legitimate" relationship between individuals was a mistake in the first place. People should be free to marry who they wish without interference from the state.

 

They already are, if by "marry" you mean "make wedding vows before witnesses (and god if that's your thing), and live together accordingly".

 

The question is, which of those marriages should receive state recognition along with tax benefits and bureaucratic/legal conveniences.

 

 

That is problem when you make something legal institution, then it becomes civil right issue for every group of people that you don't permit to take part that institution. If state had never given marriage legal status, then there would not had been any fights to wider or limit groups of people that are permitted by law to participate in that institution.

[Namutree]

Westboro Baptist Church must be going effing crazyer

Fixed it for you.

[Bartimaeus]

Barti let me give you better input, get into the habit of only saying on a forum what you are prepared to say to people to there faces. That way you will find you will very seldom say anything really offensive

If that is the policy I took here, you'd never see me in these forums again.

[Gorgon]

http://imgur.com/gallery/XSOa75K

[213374U]

The trick is to not give a **** what others say. Respecting an opinion goes both ways. You are not a bigot by sticking to your opinion, no matter if i, or anyone else disagree/agree´s with you. Your opinion is as worthy as anyone else.

 

Yeah...that's good in theory...but not so much in practice when getting along with others is pretty much required for your time to be constructive.

 

 

Yeah, I'd go one step further and say that it's not even that good in theory, let me explain (pedantic **** mode ON).

 

If you don't give a **** what others say, there is no point in posting or saying anything, ever — just thinking or writing in a journal would accomplish the same result and is more convenient. And if you only care about what others say if  they agree with you, that is also pointless, as they already agree with you and reinforcing the same point accomplishes nothing, much like yelling inside an empty cave. It makes no sense to care only about what others say if they agree with you after you convince them, because you can *not* know before listening to their reaction if they agree. So this leaves only two possibilities: either you don't care what people think and only speak because you love the sound of your own voice, or you speak in order to elicit a reaction, whatever that may be, so you do in fact care about what others say. If only because, barring physical demonstrations, you need to listen to their reaction to know that your message has been received at all, and is intelligible.

 

Speaking up and not giving a **** about what other people say is about as sensible as a deaf person that cannot read lips and doesn't know sign language trying to have a conversation.

 

(no, I don't really have anything useful to add to the legal debate)

Edited June 27, 2015 by 213374U

[BruceVC]

 

The trick is to not give a **** what others say. Respecting an opinion goes both ways. You are not a bigot by sticking to your opinion, no matter if i, or anyone else disagree/agree´s with you. Your opinion is as worthy as anyone else.

 

Yeah...that's good in theory...but not so much in practice when getting along with others is pretty much required for your time to be constructive.

 

 

Yeah, I'd go one step further and say that it's not even that good in theory, let me explain (pedantic **** mode ON).

 

If you don't give a **** what others say, there is no point in posting or saying anything, ever — just thinking or writing in a journal would accomplish the same result and is more convenient. And if you only care about what others say if  they agree with you, that is also pointless, as they already agree with you and reinforcing the same point accomplishes nothing, much like yelling inside an empty cave. It makes no sense to care only about what others say if they agree with you after you convince them, because you can *not* know before listening to their reaction if they agree. So this leaves only two possibilities: either you don't care what people think and only speak because you love the sound of your own voice, or you speak in order to elicit a reaction, whatever that may be, so you do in fact care about what others say. If only because, barring physical demonstrations, you need to listen to their reaction to know that your message has been received at all, and is intelligible.

 

Speaking up and not giving a **** about what other people say is about as sensible as a deaf person that cannot read lips and doesn't know sign language trying to have a conversation.

 

(no, I don't really have anything useful to add to the legal debate)

 

 

This is an interesting post and raises the question " why do we engage in debates on the Internet "  ?

 

I participate in debates to give people a different perspective and to sometimes correct a spurious view someone may have. I also like to learn new things about topics and that also happens sometimes when people give there views 

Edited June 28, 2015 by BruceVC

[Orogun01]

 

 

The trick is to not give a **** what others say. Respecting an opinion goes both ways. You are not a bigot by sticking to your opinion, no matter if i, or anyone else disagree/agree´s with you. Your opinion is as worthy as anyone else.

 

Yeah...that's good in theory...but not so much in practice when getting along with others is pretty much required for your time to be constructive.

 

 

Yeah, I'd go one step further and say that it's not even that good in theory, let me explain (pedantic **** mode ON).

 

If you don't give a **** what others say, there is no point in posting or saying anything, ever — just thinking or writing in a journal would accomplish the same result and is more convenient. And if you only care about what others say if  they agree with you, that is also pointless, as they already agree with you and reinforcing the same point accomplishes nothing, much like yelling inside an empty cave. It makes no sense to care only about what others say if they agree with you after you convince them, because you can *not* know before listening to their reaction if they agree. So this leaves only two possibilities: either you don't care what people think and only speak because you love the sound of your own voice, or you speak in order to elicit a reaction, whatever that may be, so you do in fact care about what others say. If only because, barring physical demonstrations, you need to listen to their reaction to know that your message has been received at all, and is intelligible.

 

Speaking up and not giving a **** about what other people say is about as sensible as a deaf person that cannot read lips and doesn't know sign language trying to have a conversation.

 

(no, I don't really have anything useful to add to the legal debate)

 

 

This is an interesting post and raises the question " why do we engage in debates on the Internet "  ?

 

I participate in debates to give people a different perspective and to sometimes correct a spurious view someone may have. I also like to learn new things about topics and that also happens sometimes when people give there views 

 

For me it always has been about self improvement, it's hard to find the people and the time to debate and test one's ideals but the internet has the benefits of connecting the whole world and keeping records for posterity. Doesn't mean that every argument is worth it but that's one of the reason I like these forums, the people here are worth it.

[BruceVC]

 

 

 

The trick is to not give a **** what others say. Respecting an opinion goes both ways. You are not a bigot by sticking to your opinion, no matter if i, or anyone else disagree/agree´s with you. Your opinion is as worthy as anyone else.

 

Yeah...that's good in theory...but not so much in practice when getting along with others is pretty much required for your time to be constructive.

 

 

Yeah, I'd go one step further and say that it's not even that good in theory, let me explain (pedantic **** mode ON).

 

If you don't give a **** what others say, there is no point in posting or saying anything, ever — just thinking or writing in a journal would accomplish the same result and is more convenient. And if you only care about what others say if  they agree with you, that is also pointless, as they already agree with you and reinforcing the same point accomplishes nothing, much like yelling inside an empty cave. It makes no sense to care only about what others say if they agree with you after you convince them, because you can *not* know before listening to their reaction if they agree. So this leaves only two possibilities: either you don't care what people think and only speak because you love the sound of your own voice, or you speak in order to elicit a reaction, whatever that may be, so you do in fact care about what others say. If only because, barring physical demonstrations, you need to listen to their reaction to know that your message has been received at all, and is intelligible.

 

Speaking up and not giving a **** about what other people say is about as sensible as a deaf person that cannot read lips and doesn't know sign language trying to have a conversation.

 

(no, I don't really have anything useful to add to the legal debate)

 

 

This is an interesting post and raises the question " why do we engage in debates on the Internet "  ?

 

I participate in debates to give people a different perspective and to sometimes correct a spurious view someone may have. I also like to learn new things about topics and that also happens sometimes when people give there views 

 

For me it always has been about self improvement, it's hard to find the people and the time to debate and test one's ideals but the internet has the benefits of connecting the whole world and keeping records for posterity. Doesn't mean that every argument is worth it but that's one of the reason I like these forums, the people here are worth it.

 

 

Good points, you are an example of someone who has taught me new things on these forums like your input around the reality of Indie developers and how they get treated 

[Malcador]

This is an interesting post and raises the question " why do we engage in debates on the Internet "  ?

 

I participate in debates to give people a different perspective and to sometimes correct a spurious view someone may have. I also like to learn new things about topics and that also happens sometimes when people give there views

Passes the time at work, mainly.

 

Oh and

 

[BruceVC]

 

This is an interesting post and raises the question " why do we engage in debates on the Internet "  ?

 

I participate in debates to give people a different perspective and to sometimes correct a spurious view someone may have. I also like to learn new things about topics and that also happens sometimes when people give there views

Passes the time at work, mainly.

 

Oh and

 

 

 

[HoonDing]

 

god, that crap is old

Edited June 29, 2015 by HoonDing

[BruceVC]

 

god, that crap is old

 

First time I have seen this, it made me laugh 

[Gorth]

Old indeed. It was  before facebook (when myspace was the place) and even usenet got mentioned.

[Deadly_Nightshade]

Here's the updated one:

[Malcador]

Youtube needs to be more wasteland-esque.

[Gfted1]

And our first challenger, in the red corner, Texas!

[213374U]

And our first challenger, in the red corner, Texas!

 

So basically they are saying that they can refuse to do their job as public servants, on religious grounds. ...can they actually do that? And if they can, could I exercise my discretion to pay taxes on moral grounds? Heh.

 

I foresee lawsuits... lots of lawsuits.

Edited June 29, 2015 by 213374U

[Gfted1]

...can they actually do that?

Tbh I don't know. I always thought the Supreme Court was the final, unchallengeable, decision on any legal matter.

[BruceVC]

And our first challenger, in the red corner, Texas!

 

The Federal government needs to find an efficient and resounding way to put this to rest....we really need consistency and reasonableness on this issue