The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt [2014]

[Maria Caliban]

 

Haven't really been keeping up with the news, has there been any word about the combat system in Witcher 3? It was kinda crappy in the first one and in my opinion even crappier in second. Felt pretty dumb to somersault everywhere.

 

"The combat has been refined for The Witcher 3, combining classic RPG action with the precision and speed of a fighting game. This gives the player a lot of tactical options, letting you mix sword-fighting, magical signs, and alchemy to take down foes with your own personal flair. Finding enemy weak spots and adjusting your combat approach accordingly adds to the strategy, and Geralt's journal provides him with information about some of the tougher foes he'll face."

[BruceVC]

Interestingly, however, I would consider PST and FO1/2 to be probably pretty close to the top 3 RPGs.

 

I am not sure what you mean? No one is arguing that they aren't good games. My point is that in the last 15 years they represent only 5 % (if not less) of the total number of RPG that have been released where you don't have some sort of end boss fight

[Malekith]

Interestingly, however, I would consider PST and FO1/2 to be probably pretty close to the top 3 RPGs.

But that brings the question, why?  Why the last 10 years we have RPGs that are, i won't say terrible as opinions and all that, but worse than games that were out 15 years ago?

Why you consider such old games pretty close to the top 3 RPGs and why don't you copy it?

It's one thing to have the Codex say that old games are better than the current ones. That is dismissable i quess.

But when the devs themselves say that older games are better than the modern ones and keep bringing them as a benchmark of quality that they try to hit (cough Bioware BG cough), it gives the question legitmancy

Edited August 15, 2013 by Malekith

[Majek]

 

 

 

I don't know a single RPG I have played where you have the option to not have some final end game battle with the antagonist that during the game you are  hunting.

 

 

Planescape: Torment, Fallout 1 & 2 (technically in 2, though one or two people have to die, you just don't have to fight them).

 

 

I played Torment and I didn't realize you could avoid the final battle, so there are maybe 3-4 RPG over the last 15 years where you get to avoid the final battle. I apologize for only getting it 95 % right

 

So you played everything that you can claim this bull****?? Or how else did you arrive from the "RPG i have played" to "all RPGs"?

[BruceVC]

 

 

 

 

I don't know a single RPG I have played where you have the option to not have some final end game battle with the antagonist that during the game you are  hunting.

 

 

Planescape: Torment, Fallout 1 & 2 (technically in 2, though one or two people have to die, you just don't have to fight them).

 

 

I played Torment and I didn't realize you could avoid the final battle, so there are maybe 3-4 RPG over the last 15 years where you get to avoid the final battle. I apologize for only getting it 95 % right

 

So you played everything that you can claim this bull****?? Or how else did you arrive from the "RPG i have played" to "all RPGs"?

 

 

Calm down Majek, this is just a debate and its my opinion. If you disagree with me then name 10 RPG that have been released in the last 10 yeas out of the hundreds of RPG that have been released where you don't have an end boss fight that you can optionally avoid. Its not hard to understand

[WorstUsernameEver]

Avoiding the final battle is something that's possible even in the combat-heavy Fallout 3. It's a fine feature, but not all that novel.

[sorophx]

I'm hoping it will be the Yojimbo of video games, but I'd settle for Ran.

 

 

this is insulting to me personally 

 

not only is Ran better than Yojimbo in every respect. not only is Ran one of the best movies in the history of movies. hearing that Witcher will be to video games what Ran is to movies is just mind boggling.

 

maybe it will be something worthy among RPGs. but video games? seriously? even Super Mario Brothers 3 is a better video game experience than any RPG will ever be. just because of the nature of RPGs. 

 

hell, even GTA 4 is a better video game experience than most RPGs. 

 

/offtopic

[Guest Slinky]

Could you explaing what that mystical video game experience is? Because I haven't got a clue what you are talking about 

 

Edit: And the Yojimbo of video games is actually... drumroll.. Usagi Yojimbo!

Edited August 15, 2013 by Slinky

[aluminiumtrioxid]

 

I'm hoping it will be the Yojimbo of video games, but I'd settle for Ran.

 

 

 

not only is Ran better than Yojimbo in every respect. not only is Ran one of the best movies in the history of movies. 

 

/offtopic

 

 

Nope.

[sorophx]

shows how much you know about movies 

 

also, oh my, there was a Usagi Yojimbo game? 

Edited August 15, 2013 by sorophx

[Keyrock]

LOL, methinks somebody needs to switch to decaf.

[mkreku]

not only is Ran better than Yojimbo in every respect...

 

Yojimbo, 8.3/10 on IMDb: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0055630/?ref_=sr_1

 

Ran, 8.3/10 on IMDb: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089881/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

 

Can't we just agree that Akira Kurosawa was a genius? 

[Malcador]

Come on, using IMDB ratings ?

[Keyrock]

Come on, using IMDB ratings ?

I know, right?  If you're going to use ratings, at least go with rotten tomatoes. 

 

Debating which Kurosawa movie is better is like trying to pick out the best piece in a box of chocolates or the best moment during Breaking Bad.  I'll generally go for the circular piece filled with caramel and cite the moment Gus killed Victor with the box cutter, but if someone chooses the dark chocolate heart-shaped piece or Walt blowing up Tuco's room, I'm not going to lose my **** over it.  The genius of Yojimbo is in how well paced, fun, and entertaining the movie is throughout.  For me, it's a lot easier to digest than most of Kurosawa's work and delivers a devilishly wonderful and clever tale of misanthropy.  Kurosawa certainly made deeper movies, like Rashomon, but Yojimbo is the one I find most entertaining.  If sorophx prefers Kurosawa's fantastic adaptation of King Lear, that's good for him.  

 

/shrugs

[aluminiumtrioxid]

 

Come on, using IMDB ratings ?

I know, right?  If you're going to use ratings, at least go with rotten tomatoes. 

 

Debating which Kurosawa movie is better is like trying to pick out the best piece in a box of chocolates or the best moment during Breaking Bad.  I'll generally go for the circular piece filled with caramel and cite the moment Gus killed Victor with the box cutter, but if someone chooses the dark chocolate heart-shaped piece or Walt blowing up Tuco's room, I'm not going to lose my **** over it.  The genius of Yojimbo is in how well paced, fun, and entertaining the movie is throughout.  For me, it's a lot easier to digest than most of Kurosawa's work and delivers a devilishly wonderful and clever tale of misanthropy.  Kurosawa certainly made deeper movies, like Rashomon, but Yojimbo is the one I find most entertaining.  If sorophx prefers Kurosawa's fantastic adaptation of King Lear, that's good for him.  

 

/shrugs

 

 

While I largely agree with you, Ran a/ was never intended to be an adaptation of King Lear, and, consequently, b/ sucks as an adaptation of King Lear.

Edited August 15, 2013 by aluminiumtrioxid

[Nonek]

 

Also shamelessly quoting my question to this page:

 

Haven't really been keeping up with the news, has there been any word about the combat system in Witcher 3? It was kinda crappy in the first one and in my opinion even crappier in second. Felt pretty dumb to somersault everywhere.

 

 

If you wish for a rough demo of combat for the Witcher 3 i'd personally install Flash's Full Combat Rebalance mod for Witcher 2, rolls are out, pirouettes from the books are in and combat as a whole is rebalanced and tweaked for more reactivity and precision response. Still not to everyones liking, but i'm finding it quite enjoyable, hopefully they'll allow strafing and circling in the third game.

[Keyrock]

 

 

Also shamelessly quoting my question to this page:

 

Haven't really been keeping up with the news, has there been any word about the combat system in Witcher 3? It was kinda crappy in the first one and in my opinion even crappier in second. Felt pretty dumb to somersault everywhere.

 

 

If you wish for a rough demo of combat for the Witcher 3 i'd personally install Flash's Full Combat Rebalance mod for Witcher 2, rolls are out, pirouettes from the books are in and combat as a whole is rebalanced and tweaked for more reactivity and precision response. Still not to everyones liking, but i'm finding it quite enjoyable, hopefully they'll allow strafing and circling in the third game.

 

I've been meaning to give that a try.  Is it easy it install?

[Nonek]

I had no problems, and there's been quite a few patches so far. However a few recipes and formulae are changed in the base game, so be prepared for a number of differences.

[alanschu]

 

Interestingly, however, I would consider PST and FO1/2 to be probably pretty close to the top 3 RPGs.

 

I am not sure what you mean? No one is arguing that they aren't good games. My point is that in the last 15 years they represent only 5 % (if not less) of the total number of RPG that have been released where you don't have some sort of end boss fight

 

 

My point is that it's interesting that the RPG games I think are superior to others do not have mandatory end boss fights.

[Guest Slinky]

 

Also shamelessly quoting my question to this page:

 

Haven't really been keeping up with the news, has there been any word about the combat system in Witcher 3? It was kinda crappy in the first one and in my opinion even crappier in second. Felt pretty dumb to somersault everywhere.

 

 

If you wish for a rough demo of combat for the Witcher 3 i'd personally install Flash's Full Combat Rebalance mod for Witcher 2, rolls are out, pirouettes from the books are in and combat as a whole is rebalanced and tweaked for more reactivity and precision response. Still not to everyones liking, but i'm finding it quite enjoyable, hopefully they'll allow strafing and circling in the third game.

 

Thanks, the pirouettes alone make that very interesting! With a quick look it looks like it's not exactly bug free, but I'll keep my eye on it when I feel like playing Witcher 2 again.

Edited August 15, 2013 by Slinky

[BruceVC]

 

 

Interestingly, however, I would consider PST and FO1/2 to be probably pretty close to the top 3 RPGs.

 

I am not sure what you mean? No one is arguing that they aren't good games. My point is that in the last 15 years they represent only 5 % (if not less) of the total number of RPG that have been released where you don't have some sort of end boss fight

 

 

My point is that it's interesting that the RPG games I think are superior to others do not have mandatory end boss fights.

 

 

Okay I see what you are saying and that is an interesting observation from your perspective, I haven't played Fallout 1 & 2 yet.

[Keyrock]

Okay I see what you are saying and that is an interesting observation from your perspective, I haven't played Fallout 1 & 2 yet.

 

[HoonDing]

You want to know about Twitcher combat?

 

 

Combat like in Game of Thrones/Of Orcs and men would've suited Twitcher games pretty well. But the ideal would be Vagrant Story.

[Volourn]

"I don't know a single RPG I have played where you have the option to not have some final end game battle with the antagonist that during the game you are  hunting."

 

jade Empire.

[entrerix]

 

Okay I see what you are saying and that is an interesting observation from your perspective, I haven't played Fallout 1 & 2 yet.