Squadron 42

[Archmage Silver]

I backed this for 30$.

[Ravnos Malkavian]

How about the Order makes a move on RSI?

[Llyranor]

Hey, nerds. So, they've reached 1,000,000$ so far via their site, and just launched a Kickstarter campaign as well for extra awareness http://www.kickstart...ig/star-citizen

Edited October 18, 2012 by Llyranor

[Raithe]

I have to admit the whole non-kickstarter thing was something that had me wary. That and the whole "Oh yeah, if you want your money back in case we don't reach our goal, y ou have to tick an extra option and you still won't get all your money back...."

 

Maybe now I'll pledge something. Well, in a few weeks when I hopefully have some free money again.

 

I still need to be able to buy some groceries soon after supporting PE..

[Leferd]

Fan of Privateer and really enjoyed the Wing Commanders. Backed.

[Humanoid]

Good to see it finally on Kickstarter for some extra visibility.

 

Interesting too observe the backer patterns from both sides: almost a $90 average pledge on the official site, as compared to $42 on Kickstarter. It may just be a timing things: that the big pledges came in early and so went directly to the official site; or it may be the nature of Kickstarter itself resulting in "drive-by" smaller pledges from people with perhaps a more incidental interest in the project. I know I backed a few projects that I wouldn't have normally, except that I was already logged in and spending on other big-name projects.

 

Will certainly pledge pretty big myself, but will probably wait until my card recovers from the Eternity charge. Thinking of more or less matching that pledge.

[Majek]

I'm still thinking about pledging, good thing i have time until mid-november.

[Spider]

I'm confused. On kickstarter they have their goal set to 500k, but the website wants 2 million and is currently at one million.

 

So what happens if Kickstarter raises 500k exactly and the website something like 1.2 million? The funds will be drawn from those pledging on KS, but the game won't reach it's actual goal...

 

Think it's a weird set-up for sure.

[melkathi]

That's a good point, Spider.

[Raithe]

Well from what I've seen the whole thing is a bit of a hybridised beast. Roberts has investors, and they've been working on this for a bit now. The crowd-funding effort is a mixed bit of "getting more money in to do it" and "proof of concept" to people who are already invested in it (whether to prove they can put more money in) and/or to initiate fresh investment from other sources by showing how popular it is still.

[Humanoid]

Or the reverse situation where say, 1.7m is raised on their site and 400k on Kickstarter, therefore technically meeting the overall goal but not being able to actually claim a significant proportion of it.

 

 

Fortunately it looks like there's no real risk of either scenario occurring given present numbers, but it could have been handled more gracefully, yeah.

[UncleBourbon]

Yes. A dozen times yes.

[Purkake]

This whole thing has been a trainwreck. Just stick to what works and save evryone's time.

[Mamoulian War]

...Just stick to what works and save evryone's time.

 

You know, that kind of thinking is the reason we have 2 billion FPSs each year and almost no Space Sim in 10 years produced...

Edited October 20, 2012 by Mamoulian War

[Hurlshort]

...Just stick to what works and save evryone's time.

 

You know, that kind of thinking is the reason we have 2 billion FPSs each year and almost no Space Sim in 10 years produced...

 

No, not really. It's actually completely unrelated.

[Purkake]

...Just stick to what works and save evryone's time.

 

You know, that kind of thinking is the reason we have 2 billion FPSs each year and almost no Space Sim in 10 years produced...

I was speaking of the crowdsourcing method, but don't let me stop you.

[Mamoulian War]

it is the same, why not to experiment with exploring new possibilities and stuck to the old "safe" routine...

[Hurlshort]

it is the same, why not to experiment with exploring new possibilities and stuck to the old "safe" routine...

 

Because it is a limited audience.

 

Seriously, we have 2 billion FPS games a year because that is what the market dictates.

[Mamoulian War]

it is the same, why not to experiment with exploring new possibilities and stuck to the old "safe" routine...

 

Because it is a limited audience.

 

Seriously, we have 2 billion FPS games a year because that is what the market dictates.

 

Its not what market dictates, its what EA and Activision dictates tens of millions of pledges on various kickstarters this year shows pretty much what market really wants...

Edited October 21, 2012 by Mamoulian War

[Hurlshort]

Please show me which Kickstarter got anywhere near a million pledges.

 

As amazing as it is that Project Eternity has raised $4 million, it still has less than 100,000 backers. Games like Call of Duty and Battlefield sell millions of copies.

 

I love my RPG's and space sims, and I'm thankful that Kickstarter is allowing them to get developed, but I understand that I am the minority in the marketplace.

[Mamoulian War]

The only reason to make games like CoD is that rehashing same **** for the 7th time is cheap as **** and stupid sheep are willing to buy even big steaming pile of turd if it is marketed properly

 

RPGs sell like hotcakes when marketed properly as well... Look at FFXIII and DA2 as an example... both not topnotch quality games, but with awesome marketing and they sold a lot of copies...

 

Market wants these games, but they are little bit more difficult to make, so they prefer to make BF25 instead of KoToR3

[Malcador]

Now, someone needs to steal the Freespace IP. Ah well, hope it's smoother sailing for the project at this point.

[Nightshape]

The only reason to make games like CoD is that rehashing same **** for the 7th time is cheap as **** and stupid sheep are willing to buy even big steaming pile of turd if it is marketed properly

 

RPGs sell like hotcakes when marketed properly as well... Look at FFXIII and DA2 as an example... both not topnotch quality games, but with awesome marketing and they sold a lot of copies...

 

Market wants these games, but they are little bit more difficult to make, so they prefer to make BF25 instead of KoToR3

 

Compared to the FPS Market... Please.

 

The sad reality is that the more marketing dollars that are put behind a product, the more copies it'll sell - I hate that this is the reality, it tells me a lot about my fellow humans, but that's a topic for another day.

 

You'll never get the same kind of sales as you do for CoD just by throwing money at it. It's a complex thing to try an analyse - why Call of Duty has been so popular. I'm inclined to say it's a sign of our times. How many people went to see the spectacle that was 'Avatar' a few years back? If yes, you're part of the problem

 

Something like FFXIII isn't that complex, and DA2 was made over 11 months. It's actually a different kind of complexity, as they're very different beasts. CoD being heavily scripted, running at 60FPS, with lots of one shot assets.

 

It isn't about 'how difficult' they are to make, it's all about return on investment, CoD will sell more copies than any RPG made using the same kind of development budget.

Edited October 23, 2012 by Nightshape

[melkathi]

How many people went to see the spectacle that was 'Avatar' a few years back? If yes, you're part of the problem

 

 

What worried me were the people who afterwards insisted it was a great movie with an original story and a deep, meaningfull message

[Nightshape]

How many people went to see the spectacle that was 'Avatar' a few years back? If yes, you're part of the problem

 

 

What worried me were the people who afterwards insisted it was a great movie with an original story and a deep, meaningfull message

 

Exactly.