Maria Caliban Posted October 28, 2010 Posted October 28, 2010 (edited) It's not a question of whether a writer is proud of his/her work and so on and so forth. It's a very simple issue of - does a single writer in a multi-writer project (that involves more than writing) saying "I like her and she should have a big role in the second game" mean that it is a good decision? No, not if other factors indicate that the character wasn't that special. What are these 'other factors?' If writers, who are hired simply to create the plot and characters, can't be trusted with the plot and characters, who should be? Should it be the executive producer? Shareholders? Should they simply have all characters designed by market testing? You're acting as though Sheryl Chee burst into a writers' meeting swinging a shotgun around and forced the rest of the BioWare crew to accept Isabella. They liked her work on the first game. She's enthusiastic about a character and wants her to be a companion on the second game. If they think her characters are good, the smart thing would be to let her come up with characters. If they think her characters are bad, they should get rid of her and find a writer who can create and flesh out good characters. Yes, if every other writer hated the character, I could see your point, but that doesn't appear to be the case. Rather, the other writers also like her and forum members also like her. Amazingly, when you let skilled people who are enthusiastic about their work do their work, you get good work. What you're saying is confusing it and getting it back to front - even in a book, a writer loving his/her character is fine, but if that blinds him/her and gets in the way of judging the role the character should play then no. So it's not really a criterion here. Yes it is. An author says 'I love this character and want to tell a story about them.' They then write out a story about them. Who is it that decides they love that character 'too much?' Sure, an editor or agent can pass on a book, but once an agent takes in a client, they don't go 'Change this 60-year-old, hard-bitten war vet into a 16 moody but sexy teenage girl because I've decided that's what's hot.' Edited October 28, 2010 by Maria Caliban "When is this out. I can't wait to play it so I can talk at length about how bad it is." - Gorgon.
Maria Caliban Posted October 28, 2010 Posted October 28, 2010 Still not seeing any reason why writing for games should be different. Don't worry, you're in good company, the vast majority of video games writers don't get it either. Still, the difference between narrating a story and making the player interact with it should be pretty clear. It is to me, at least. The 'vast majority' of games do not have half a dozen full time writers who are involved in every step of the process. The majority of games don't appear to have any full time writers. For example, the 'writer' of Halo was the director of cinematics. I'd like to think that if the 'vast majority' of games had a full time writer, we wouldn't have so many variations on the brown haired space marine. "When is this out. I can't wait to play it so I can talk at length about how bad it is." - Gorgon.
Oner Posted October 28, 2010 Posted October 28, 2010 Nice screenies, and despite how Conan it's gotten I'm starting to think that they have a point in that it does give the game a stronger look.Fixed. Giveaway list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DgyQFpOJvyNASt8A12ipyV_iwpLXg_yltGG5mffvSwo/edit?usp=sharing What is glass but tortured sand?Never forget! '12.01.13.
entrerix Posted October 28, 2010 Posted October 28, 2010 (edited) its like 75% conan and 25% anime. which is a ratio i approve of. so long as the writing falls more into the former "pulp", and less into the latter "garbage" (cowboy bebop et all aside) Edited October 28, 2010 by entrerix Killing is kind of like playin' a basketball game. I am there. and the other player is there. and it's just the two of us. and I put the other player's body in my van. and I am the winner. - Nice Pete.
Maria Caliban Posted October 28, 2010 Posted October 28, 2010 (edited) Okay, I am not happy. Until Jan 1st, you should be able to order the regular version of Dragon Age 2 ($49.99) and get a free upgrade to the Signature Edition version. Retailers have responded by removing the regular version and only offering the $59.99 Signature Edition. I am now attempting to find a retailer who isn't doing this. Edit: EA Games isn't selling the normal PC edition either. Only the (59.99) regular XBox and PS3 versions, and the (59.99) Signature PC, XBox, and PS3 versions. It seems this entire thing is just a move to get PC gamers to pay the console price of 59.99 for the 'free upgrade.' Edited October 28, 2010 by Maria Caliban "When is this out. I can't wait to play it so I can talk at length about how bad it is." - Gorgon.
Tale Posted October 28, 2010 Posted October 28, 2010 Okay, I am not happy. Until Jan 1st, you should be able to order the regular version of Dragon Age 2 ($49.99) and get a free upgrade to the Signature Edition version. Retailers have responded by removing the regular version and only offering the $59.99 Signature Edition. I am now attempting to find a retailer who isn't doing this. Are you talking about the PC? Because that's the normal price for console games. "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater."
ShadySands Posted October 28, 2010 Posted October 28, 2010 Okay, I am not happy. Until Jan 1st, you should be able to order the regular version of Dragon Age 2 ($49.99) and get a free upgrade to the Signature Edition version. Retailers have responded by removing the regular version and only offering the $59.99 Signature Edition. I am now attempting to find a retailer who isn't doing this. Edit: EA Games isn't selling the normal PC edition either. Only the (59.99) regular XBox and PS3 versions, and the (59.99) Signature PC, XBox, and PS3 versions. It seems this entire thing is just a move to get PC gamers to pay the console price of 59.99 for the 'free upgrade.' Impulse and Best Buy still have it for 50 bucks. Free games updated 3/4/21
entrerix Posted October 28, 2010 Posted October 28, 2010 something tells me retailers will be scolded for such shenanigannery. If im going to preorder I'm going to do it in january after some more previews and hands on impressions are released so we know if the game is as bad as it looks. i was able to preorder dragon age 1 for $37 on amazon, hopefully I can do it again for part 2 between now and january 11. Killing is kind of like playin' a basketball game. I am there. and the other player is there. and it's just the two of us. and I put the other player's body in my van. and I am the winner. - Nice Pete.
HoonDing Posted October 28, 2010 Posted October 28, 2010 I'll just wait for the GOTY edition this time, so I get all the inevitable DLCs & expansions. The Witcher 2 comes out in the same month, anyway, and that's a much bigger blimp on my radar. The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.
Meshugger Posted October 28, 2010 Posted October 28, 2010 I'll just wait for the GOTY edition this time, so I get all the inevitable DLCs & expansions. The Witcher 2 comes out in the same month, anyway, and that's a much bigger blimp on my radar. Oooh, i hope the reviewers have an all "which one is more necrogrimdarker than the other"-contest. "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy
entrerix Posted October 28, 2010 Posted October 28, 2010 I'm not totally giving up hope yet even though the game looks terrible right now. I'm going to wait at least until more of the game is shown than just some stupid hacknslashing in a 10 minute falsely narrated prologue... Killing is kind of like playin' a basketball game. I am there. and the other player is there. and it's just the two of us. and I put the other player's body in my van. and I am the winner. - Nice Pete.
Maria Caliban Posted October 28, 2010 Posted October 28, 2010 (edited) Okay, I am not happy. Until Jan 1st, you should be able to order the regular version of Dragon Age 2 ($49.99) and get a free upgrade to the Signature Edition version. Retailers have responded by removing the regular version and only offering the $59.99 Signature Edition. I am now attempting to find a retailer who isn't doing this. Are you talking about the PC? Because that's the normal price for console games. Yes, I'm talking about the PC. Several stores had the normal edition for $49.99. Now you can only buy the Signature Edition for $59.99 Impulse and Best Buy still have it for 50 bucks. Thank you. Edited October 28, 2010 by Maria Caliban "When is this out. I can't wait to play it so I can talk at length about how bad it is." - Gorgon.
Slowtrain Posted October 29, 2010 Posted October 29, 2010 In this new fearless age of DLC, there's no point to pre-ordering a game or even buying it right away. Just buy it down the road with all the dlc included, plus patches, etc, for 1/2 price. Much better deal. Notice how I can belittle your beliefs without calling you names. It's a useful skill to have particularly where you aren't allowed to call people names. It's a mistake to get too drawn in/worked up. I mean it's not life or death, it's just two guys posting their thoughts on a message board. If it were personal or face to face all the usual restraints would be in place, and we would never have reached this place in the first place. Try to remember that.
Gorth Posted October 29, 2010 Author Posted October 29, 2010 The Witcher 2 comes out in the same month, anyway, and that's a much bigger blimp on my radar. The Witcher gave me way more fun for my money/time investment than DA, but what I've seen so far from TW2 doesn't make me feel all warm and fuzzy. As for DA2, I've switched to the wait and see when the complete GOTY and all that jazz in one box at half price comes out camp. “He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein
Nepenthe Posted October 29, 2010 Posted October 29, 2010 Okay, I am not happy. Until Jan 1st, you should be able to order the regular version of Dragon Age 2 ($49.99) and get a free upgrade to the Signature Edition version. Retailers have responded by removing the regular version and only offering the $59.99 Signature Edition. I am now attempting to find a retailer who isn't doing this. Edit: EA Games isn't selling the normal PC edition either. Only the (59.99) regular XBox and PS3 versions, and the (59.99) Signature PC, XBox, and PS3 versions. It seems this entire thing is just a move to get PC gamers to pay the console price of 59.99 for the 'free upgrade.' That's interesting, generally the US/FIN prices translate $= You're a cheery wee bugger, Nep. Have I ever said that? Reapercussions
HoonDing Posted October 29, 2010 Posted October 29, 2010 (edited) At long last, some long-awaited "non-exaggerated" gameplay (en fran Edited October 29, 2010 by virumor The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.
sorophx Posted October 29, 2010 Posted October 29, 2010 looks just like Origins. anyway, I'm skeptical about this whole exaggerated/non-exaggerated thing, I don't think playing through most instances twice is a good game mechanic Walsingham said: I was struggling to understand ths until I noticed you are from Finland. And having been educated solely by mkreku in this respect I am convinced that Finland essentially IS the wh40k universe.
Nepenthe Posted October 29, 2010 Posted October 29, 2010 looks just like Origins. anyway, I'm skeptical about this whole exaggerated/non-exaggerated thing, I don't think playing through most instances twice is a good game mechanic I was under the impression that it was a one-off happening near the beginning of the game. If you have better info, please share. You're a cheery wee bugger, Nep. Have I ever said that? Reapercussions
WorstUsernameEver Posted October 29, 2010 Posted October 29, 2010 ...so where's the gameplay? I'm seeing lots of dialogues and Hawke running in circles..
Humanoid Posted October 29, 2010 Posted October 29, 2010 Running in circles qualifies as gameplay unless it's caused by an improperly calibrated joystick. - move stick to the upper left position and press button 1 - - move stick to the lower right position and press button 2 - L I E S T R O N GL I V E W R O N G
WorstUsernameEver Posted October 29, 2010 Posted October 29, 2010 Running in circles qualifies as gameplay unless it's caused by an improperly calibrated joystick. - move stick to the upper left position and press button 1 - - move stick to the lower right position and press button 2 - It also qualifies as extremely boring and useless gameplay footage though.
sorophx Posted October 29, 2010 Posted October 29, 2010 (edited) I was under the impression that it was a one-off happening near the beginning of the game. If you have better info, please share. this thread gave me the impression that the whole game is built around two people telling the same story from two different points of view, so I figured it's gonna be happening throughout the whole game. Edited October 29, 2010 by sorophx Walsingham said: I was struggling to understand ths until I noticed you are from Finland. And having been educated solely by mkreku in this respect I am convinced that Finland essentially IS the wh40k universe.
Humanoid Posted October 29, 2010 Posted October 29, 2010 (edited) Running around randomly would be less boring if Bioware finally discovered a way to implement jumping. But in all seriousness, I do hope that the player in that video was just messing around and that the gameplay for bosses doesn't involve meleeing a little, running away to heal/regen and repeating. I got irritated by the first ogre battle in Origins for more or less that. Aside, the joystick this was mainly me recently playing F-117A Stealth Fighter 2.0 - a game which does involve large periods of doing nothing while still being oddly compelling. Perhaps that's Bioware's holy grail... Edited October 29, 2010 by Humanoid L I E S T R O N GL I V E W R O N G
Guest Slinky Posted October 29, 2010 Posted October 29, 2010 (edited) I was under the impression that it was a one-off happening near the beginning of the game. If you have better info, please share. this thread gave me the impression that the whole game is built around two people telling the same story from two different points of view, so I figured it's gonna be happening throughout the whole game. While I still can't figure out what the hell was bio doing all those years doing DA and come up with the game they did, I don't think they would even consider that. It would get REALLY old, REALLY fast. Edited October 29, 2010 by Slinky
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