Dead Skin Mask Posted February 17, 2005 Posted February 17, 2005 Finally, someone speaks the truth. Click Cheers!
Whitemithrandir Posted February 17, 2005 Posted February 17, 2005 :: head 'asplodes :: It's all true though. Everything in the review is truth, 100%. Word economics To express my vast wisdom I speak in haiku's.
NeverwinterKnight Posted February 17, 2005 Posted February 17, 2005 that was already posted. i doubt anyone, even "fanbois", disagree with anything that was written.
KOTORFanactic Posted February 17, 2005 Posted February 17, 2005 Someone beat you to posting that. Hey, I'm a big fan boy (check the name) and my head didn't explode. I agree with most, if not all of that. I think you were just overconfident my head would explode.
Jonny_Evil Posted February 17, 2005 Posted February 17, 2005 So who's to blame for this? Well, my friends, I did some digging around on the Internet, spent some time on various forums, and found some interesting information. There are massive endgame sequences fully scripted (in the screenplay sense, not the programming sense) that give your sidekick characters much more robust endings. There are even paths that can be taken where some of them will kick off, sacrificing themselves for the main character. Some of the dialog is startlingly moving and all of it would be much better than the poor attempt at Fallout's "glimpse into the future ending" that the game provides. Gotta agree with him, short development time made Jedi Academy suck a whole lot of balls too. That quote above though, have there been any scripts released for the removed sequences? Or is that guy just passing on rumours? Even just reading what happens would be good, and would make that last level of generic hallways and random enemies tolerable. *Edit. Nevermind, found the thread. :">
Jad'en Posted February 17, 2005 Posted February 17, 2005 Aye its all true... but i feel the bugs are subjective
The Bardic Pen Posted February 17, 2005 Posted February 17, 2005 The script for the cut scenes are in one of the KotOR2 forums. Storyline discussion, I think. Oh, and people have been saying it for quite a while now.
Icon Posted February 17, 2005 Posted February 17, 2005 I still don't see the bug part, but I do agree with the rush part. The sad thing is, Lucas himself would constantly whine at his producers for rushing Star Wars! Now, when he's in the money man position he does the same thing he STILL crys about being done to him. Someone needs to put a vibroblade in through his skull.
Meshugger Posted February 17, 2005 Posted February 17, 2005 that was already posted. i doubt anyone, even "fanbois", disagree with anything that was written. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yep, agreed. "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy
Funks Posted February 17, 2005 Posted February 17, 2005 Yes, agreed. I also feel that the devlopers didn't wrap up all the storylines properly. all the time spent interacting with all NPCs and they have no input at the end. they are irrelavent.
DarthPanda Posted February 17, 2005 Posted February 17, 2005 I agree with the article as well, although I'm not going to wait for reviews if KotORIII comes out; I'd head straight to the boards and read the complaints. Reviews are too lenient sometimes
Darth Ni Posted February 17, 2005 Posted February 17, 2005 I don't listen to the BS the Resident Cynic dumps out. It's mainly garbage... The game was great if you ask me. I grabbed the latest nVidia drivers and after that, I had no crashes. The game could have been better but then again so can anything.
Brannart Posted February 17, 2005 Posted February 17, 2005 Nothing was said in that article that we on the boards have not already said. I wonder though, if Lucasarts stupid business model was so freaking great then why did they lay off those people and get new management...
Dakar Posted February 17, 2005 Posted February 17, 2005 I don't understand why the heads of fanboys would explode. Are there alot of LucasArts fans around? LMAO If anything this shows people that is REALLY isn't Obsidian's fault.
Msxyz Posted February 17, 2005 Posted February 17, 2005 What is said in that article is true. Does LucasArts care? Probably not. The game sold very well and most reviews around the net don't mention these setbacks. I bought Kotor 2 without exitations because it was the sequel of Kotor and because I consider Obsidian a company made by talented individuals with a lot of background in the gaming industry. Sadly, all the skills in the world are not enough when you're crushed between budget considerations and timelines dictated by the publisher. And when someone like LucasArts comes with an important job offer, it's either take it or leave. In the end, it's just us -a minority of geeks- complaining. And the industry usually does not pay attention to the ramblings of geeks when the louder sound of money coming from uneducated masses captures all its attention.
Plooby Posted February 17, 2005 Posted February 17, 2005 Well.. I am glad that someone is saying OUT LOUD what we have only been posting before. Sadly, I don't think LA really cares. So... how big a role to you think they will give JarJar in the next Star Wars movie?
NeverwinterKnight Posted February 17, 2005 Posted February 17, 2005 I don't understand why the heads of fanboys would explode. Are there alot of LucasArts fans around? LMAO <{POST_SNAPBACK}> do lucasarts fanboys even exist?
Jad'en Posted February 17, 2005 Posted February 17, 2005 Well.. I am glad that someone is saying OUT LOUD what we have only been posting before. Sadly, I don't think LA really cares. So... how big a role to you think they will give JarJar in the next Star Wars movie? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Meh all i know is he is on Alderaan when the Death Star gets comfy with its weaponry for the first time
n_united Posted February 19, 2005 Posted February 19, 2005 Yup, i really love the KOTOR franchise....KOTOR 2 started with a bang and had me really excited...the depth of interaction with Kreia was good...but the other NPCs were a let-down. *****RANT-RANT-RANT***** I did almost everything in the game including: 1) Doing every errand-boy quests 2) Talking with every NPC with the hope of new dialogue options (so much so that i prolly had to jab myself with hyperstimulants if Kotor2 was real-life) 3) Seen some map areas curiously unacessible, prolly due to scrapped sidequests I spent 30-40 hours doing this, only to find that i was insulted for my efforts at the 'finale'. I know some people may say "What, 30-40 hours only?" or "Hey this game is replayable" etc etc....but i felt that the ending didnt justify the amouunt of effort i put into playing the game. *****END OF RANT-RANT-RANT***** Id be lying if i said the kotor2 sucked, but wished they didnt short hand it. I dont know if it was Lucasarts or Obsidian to blame, but based on LucasArts notorious reputation of "screw the gamers, let bring in the Holiday cash cow"...its not hard to guess who i think is responsible for the letdown. IMHO, Obsidian has good repo themselves even though they are a start-up company. Perhaps they should stay clear of LA and have more collaborations with organizations like Bioware in future. As for KOTOR III, im gonna hold on to my cash when it comes out...read the reviews in and out of forums, and then decide whether to get it or not. The reason i got KotorII in a heartbeat was cuz KotorI was an absolute hit. If KOTORIII is another LA Holiday rush-job, im not even gonna get it. Prolly just read up the spoilers, just to know the story.
Rhl Posted February 19, 2005 Posted February 19, 2005 I still don't see the bug part, but I do agree with the rush part. The sad thing is, Lucas himself would constantly whine at his producers for rushing Star Wars! Now, when he's in the money man position he does the same thing he STILL crys about being done to him. Someone needs to put a vibroblade in through his skull. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes, god knows George Lucas runs all of his different companies by himself. I mean, of course he manages LucasFilm, LucasArts, Skywalker Sound, and the many others all by himself. Perhaps you have failed to realize that Lucas has hired people to manage these different companies, and trusts their judgement of whether a product is 'ready to be released'. But oh no, of course not. George Lucas purposely pushed this out the door for money. Blame LucasArts, not the man himself. I wonder if he even knows.
Darth_Radnor Posted February 19, 2005 Posted February 19, 2005 I hope Mike Gallo reads this, but I doubt he'll care. He'll probably worm his way out of the article by giving his standard escapist responses.
NeverwinterKnight Posted February 19, 2005 Posted February 19, 2005 I hope Mike Gallo reads this, but I doubt he'll care. He'll probably worm his way out of the article by giving his standard escapist responses. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> im surprised he or his superiors still have a job, considering the bad publicity the decisions made under him have caused.
Kayn Posted February 19, 2005 Posted February 19, 2005 People, is the fate of every GOOD story about SW... Think only about the First Trilogy... End of A New Hope: Death Star destroyed, Luke and Han hero of the Rebel Alliance, Darth Vader seems to be dead... Al least everything seems OK... End of KotOR I: (Assuming Played in LS Mode) Star Forge Destroyed, Revan reedemed and Hero of Republic and Jedi Council... At least everything seems OK... End of Empire Strike Back: A Lot of Revelation, ("Luke, I'm your Father..." "Hey dad, my allowance?") a LOT of unresolved plots... (Han in carbonite, Luke without an hand etc...) The supremacy of Empire... People wait for Ep VI... End of The Sith Lords: (Even I haven't completed yet...) A Lot of Revelation, a LOT of unresolved plot, the Republic isn't in her best days... People wait for KotOR III... "The Story repeat itself..."
Nevan Posted February 19, 2005 Posted February 19, 2005 People, is the fate of every GOOD story about SW... Think only about the First Trilogy... End of A New Hope: Death Star destroyed, Luke and Han hero of the Rebel Alliance, Darth Vader seems to be dead... Al least everything seems OK... End of KotOR I: (Assuming Played in LS Mode) Star Forge Destroyed, Revan reedemed and Hero of Republic and Jedi Council... At least everything seems OK... End of Empire Strike Back: A Lot of Revelation, ("Luke, I'm your Father..." "Hey dad, my allowance?") a LOT of unresolved plots... (Han in carbonite, Luke without an hand etc...) The supremacy of Empire... People wait for Ep VI... End of The Sith Lords: (Even I haven't completed yet...) A Lot of Revelation, a LOT of unresolved plot, the Republic isn't in her best days... People wait for KotOR III... "The Story repeat itself..." <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I wont bother with Kotor III unless they finish kotor II
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