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[Lexx]

How is this an "SJW question" and why do you basically say people should not be outraged anymore over this blatant murder.

[Zoraptor]

Plus MbS isn't the Saudi King, he's the Saudi Crown Prince. Bruce gonna Bruce, I guess.

(The Saudi King can't really be outraged at anything any more, as he has advanced dementia)

[HoonDing]

The best thing one can say about Lizzie is that she appears to have a nice rack.

[BruceVC]

51 minutes ago, Lexx said:

How is this an "SJW question" and why do you basically say people should not be outraged anymore over this blatant murder.

You can be as outraged as you want but if you are  a world leader with concerns with energy supply then going out your way to anger and isolate Saudi Arabia is imprudent especially under these current energy concerns caused by Putins War 

Saudi Arabia directly  influences global oil production because apart from its own oil resources it can literally increase or decrease oil production because the majority of Sunni oil producers in the ME will listen to what Saudi Arabia says about production capacity. These countries contribute about 40% of  global oil supply and contribute more towards the oil markets most of our countries buy from 

https://www.statista.com/topics/6508/middle-east-oil-industry/#topicHeader__wrapper

Now is not the time to play " gotcha" political questions when the UK is going through  an energy crisis and the last thing Liz Truss wants to do is compromise its relationship and historical friendship with Saudi Arabia 

And its well known the Saudis dont appreciate this  type of  criticism 

 

 

 

[Chairchucker]

15 minutes ago, HoonDing said:

The best thing one can say about Lizzie is that she appears to have a nice rack.

So, which of the two Lizzies are you talking about here?

[BruceVC]

35 minutes ago, Zoraptor said:

Plus MbS isn't the Saudi King, he's the Saudi Crown Prince. Bruce gonna Bruce, I guess.

(The Saudi King can't really be outraged at anything any more, as he has advanced dementia)

I know being pedantic is your thing but you  can do better than that, you know very well what I talking about and how  important and relevant  MbS  is 

[alanschu]

4 hours ago, Hurlshort said:

I mean, it's a dumb question. What would you expect her to say about the leader of another country on a criminal matter that the UK has no jurisdiction over? I guess I'd need more context as to the setting of the question, but it just looks like a political gotcha moment.

Oh it totally is.

I just found it funny.

  

3 hours ago, Lexx said:

How is this an "SJW question"

Because for a lot of people, framing it as "SJW" thing is effectively coded for making sure it's understood that The Wrong People are being critical of people that shouldn't be criticized for those reasons that are definitely invalid. Which is somewhat appropriate when the criticism that Saudi Arabia doesn't appreciate is the criticism of murdering someone for... being critical of them.

Bruce is not incorrect in this moment that there's a lot of complicated interdependency because of the state of energy production in the world today. Although honestly I find that immaterial as I feel he'd have the same stance even if Putin didn't go all bat**** in Ukraine especially given his decision to regurgitate a pejorative like "SJW" as some sort of meaningful descriptor of the question. But this is also the person that thinks it is a noteworthy suggestion to state that, indeed, Saudi Arabia doesn't "appreciate" others being critical about them murdering someone. This was definitely useful and not something that was realized. They are unique in this regard as most other countries typically encourage other states to make such criticisms...

Edited September 9, 2022 by alanschu

[Elerond]

We could lessen Saudi's influence in oil price, if we would remove sanctions from Iran, but that would anger another ally that likes to murder people in other countries.

[BruceVC]

23 minutes ago, Elerond said:

We could lessen Saudi's influence in oil price, if we would remove sanctions from Iran, but that would anger another ally that likes to murder people in other countries.

But Iran has also murdered people and continues to murder people so by the general view on this forum which is " we dont deal with countries that murder people " then we musnt deal with Iran either

The main inconsistency with the criticism towards Saudi Arabia is basically every country in the ME, including Israel,  over the last 20 years has murdered people so why just target Saudi Arabia if that bothers you so much?

[Gorth]

1 hour ago, alanschu said:

Because for a lot of people, framing it as "SJW" thing is effectively coded for making sure it's understood that The Wrong People are being critical of people that shouldn't be criticized for those reasons that are definitely invalid. Which is somewhat appropriate when the criticism that Saudi Arabia doesn't appreciate is the criticism of murdering someone for... being critical of them.

It's just his way of framing SJW for anything he perceives as bad (Association fallacy - Wikipedia). It's better to support and praise a government that sponsors Al Qaida than one that sponsors Hamas after all. Never mind that AQ has a lot more kill stickers with British lives to put on their car windows. Outrage over realpolitik is reserved for those dastardly countries that does it, when they are not somebody we are dependent on.

[Gorth]

21 minutes ago, BruceVC said:

But Iran has also murdered people and continues to murder people so by the general view on this forum which is " we dont deal with countries that murder people " then we musnt deal with Iran either

The main inconsistency with the criticism towards Saudi Arabia is basically every country in the ME, including Israel,  over the last 20 years has murdered people so why just target Saudi Arabia if that bothers you so much?

The hypocrisy of denying it?

 

[Malcador]

3 hours ago, Elerond said:

We could lessen Saudi's influence in oil price, if we would remove sanctions from Iran, but that would anger another ally that likes to murder people in other countries.

Excuse me, those are targeted intelligence operations.  And you're Hitler if you say otherwise.

[majestic]

11 hours ago, BruceVC said:

Of course it is, its also one of these well known politically controversial and SJW questions because everyone must be "outraged " by the killing  and publicly criticize the Saudi king despite how everyone has moved on and its well known how significant Saudi Arabia is in global oil production especially with how Putin is trying to use the Ukraine to push Russian militancy and hegemony 

And its also well known how the Saudi king  doesnt like this type of direct  and public attention and commentary, so its an obvious attempt at a "gotcha " 

 

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Of course it is, its also one of these well known politically controversial and SJW questions because everyone must be "outraged " by the killing  and publicly criticize the Putin despite how everyone has moved on and its well known how significant Russia is in global gas production especially with how the Biden is trying to use  energy to push US militancy and hegemony 

And its also well known how Putin doesnt like this type of direct  and public attention and commentary, so its an obvious attempt at a "gotcha " 

 

10 hours ago, BruceVC said:

You can be as outraged as you want but if you are  a world leader with concerns with energy supply then going out your way to anger and isolate Saudi Arabia is imprudent especially under these current energy concerns caused by Putins War 

Saudi Arabia directly  influences global oil production because apart from its own oil resources it can literally increase or decrease oil production because the majority of Sunni oil producers in the ME will listen to what Saudi Arabia says about production capacity. These countries contribute about 40% of  global oil supply and contribute more towards the oil markets most of our countries buy from 

 

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You can be as outraged as you want but if you are  a world leader with concerns with energy supply then going out your way to anger and isolate Russia is imprudent especially under these current energy concerns caused by the US proxy war in the Ukraine. 

Russia directly  influences global gas production because apart from its own gas resources it can literally increase or decrease gas production because the majority of gas producers in the GUS will listen to what Putin says about production capacity. These countries contribute about 40% of  global gas supply and contribute more towards the gas markets most of our countries buy from 

 

 

7 hours ago, BruceVC said:

But Iran has also murdered people and continues to murder people so by the general view on this forum which is " we dont deal with countries that murder people " then we musnt deal with Iran either

The main inconsistency with the criticism towards Saudi Arabia is basically every country in the ME, including Israel,  over the last 20 years has murdered people so why just target Saudi Arabia if that bothers you so much?

 

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But the US has also murdered people and continues to murder people so by the general view on this forum which is " we dont deal with countries that murder people " then we musnt deal with Isreal either

The main inconsistency with the criticism towards Russia is basically every country in the world, including the US,  over the last 20 years has murdered people so why just target Russia if that bothers you so much?

You might want to change your approach to this argument if simply replacing Saudia Arabia with Russia and the Saudi 'king' with Putin leaves you with posts that could come from Russia Today's telegram channel. Just, you know, food for thought because it makes you look like a fascist hypocrite.

Oh, wait... sorry, time to whip workers back into their mines.  

Edited September 9, 2022 by majestic
Woops, missed some replacement words there...

[alanschu]

8 hours ago, Gorth said:

The hypocrisy of denying it?

 

I did appreciate the implication that somehow we feel this only applies for Saudi Arabia lol.

Edited September 9, 2022 by alanschu

[BruceVC]

1 hour ago, majestic said:

 

 

 

 

 

You might want to change your approach to this argument if simply replacing Saudia Arabia with Russia and the Saudi 'king' with Putin leaves you with posts that could come from Russia Today's telegram channel. Just, you know, food for thought because it makes you look like a fascist hypocrite.

Oh, wait... sorry, time to whip workers back into their mines.  

Nah, Im  not going to change my opinion because Russia vs Saudi Arabia oil production is not on the same scale or importance. The ME is much more significant 

And my argument as I have mentioned several times is not just about energy but also the reality of how most countries in the ME conduct themselves, so lets be consistent with our outrage and countries "we should be isolating and vilifying " 

Also  you have posted time and time again you think I am a fascist, racist, colonialist  etc.  Irrespective of what I say so why would this matter?

But I appreciate the suggestion, its noted 

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

2 hours ago, majestic said:

 

 

 

 

 

You might want to change your approach to this argument if simply replacing Saudia Arabia with Russia and the Saudi 'king' with Putin leaves you with posts that could come from Russia Today's telegram channel. Just, you know, food for thought because it makes you look like a fascist hypocrite.

Oh, wait... sorry, time to whip workers back into their mines.  

You know that terrible sound people make when they're slowly but surely dying?  That awful utmost pity inducing wail of the reversal of the life process?

That's the sound I hear from all these anti hypocrites, clinging to a desperate hope that the tide can somehow be reversed and cannot accept the fact that the world is changing in big ways.

Stay tuned for 2023, we're just getting started here 

[Malcador]

9 minutes ago, KP From Another World said:

Stay tuned for 2023, we're just getting started here

Well, unless 2022 ends in a nuclear holocaust.

[Zoraptor]

3 hours ago, majestic said:

Oh, wait... sorry, time to whip workers back into their mines.  

Now now, Bruce has never advocated for nor defended using whips on miners on these boards.

9x19 and 5.56x45 though...

[Malcador]

Have to say catching Truss reading the Bible at Elizabeth's memorial and quoting "Why then do you judge your brother or sister?  Or you, why do you look down on your brother or sister?"  was amusing.

[Sarex]

EU in to communism.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

16 minutes ago, Sarex said:

EU in to communism.

Maybe it's time Brussels got some freedom dropped on it.

[Gfted1]

F-yeah! Make those fatcats pay dearly!

We should do the same here in the US.

[alanschu]

4 hours ago, Sarex said:

EU in to communism.

Sounds like other nations have already done similar stuff (article mentions Italy, among a nebulous "some" countries).

I saw a joke on Victoria 3's message boards about how heating (something actively bought by people at every level of Standard of Living in that game) will actually only be a good purchased by people with max SOL which is some macabre humor (no judgment, I can only sympathize with coping however one can) for residents of the UK.

It's interesting because I feel that it is somewhat short sighted to profiteer (is it technically profiteering? I think an argument could be made?) in this capacity. It'll be great for your bottom line, but I feel it will tend to have a radicalizing effect (for good or ill) on the great many people that are about to find themselves making difficult choices on meeting their basic needs. IMO you're just going to see increased extremist populism towards one of socialism or fascism not unlike a previously recent time of economic hardship which is Probably Not Good™.

[Malcador]

Azerbaijan-Armenia clashes getting worse.

[ComradeYellow]

https://medium.com/eudaimonia-co/is-europes-trumpian-moment-arriving-eff113f798c8

Parties funded by literal Nazi's gaining traction in Sweden.  But I thought Sweden was this Soc-Dem egalitarian utopia based on principles that are totally not based on white supremacy.

Sure, the author is a bit of a libtard spouting typical cliches of Blue states = good and Red states = bad with little nuance, but i am steadfast of the opinion that Europeans are far more racist than ****ing Americans, economic leftism or rightism completely out of the equation.