Keyrock Posted March 15, 2019 Posted March 15, 2019 I don't get that hate for Steam, I mean putting aside DRM which I don't like either steam have Linux support, mod support, player reviews, sales, good comunity hub/communicator, offline mode, greenlight, games from all type of developers. GoG have DRM free option on the top. What exactly Epic store have for customers? If someone want to be competitor of Steam they have to offer MORE than Steam have, to me they dont offer jack poo, just another showelware. As a Linux gamer, I always purchase from Steam when everything else is equal. Valve may not be perfect, but they have done more for Linux gaming over the past half decade or so than just about any company out there. That alone has earned them my money. RFK Jr 2024 "Any organization created out of fear must create fear to survive." - Bill Hicks
Hurlshort Posted March 15, 2019 Posted March 15, 2019 I don't get that hate for Steam, I mean putting aside DRM which I don't like either steam have Linux support, mod support, player reviews, sales, good comunity hub/communicator, offline mode, greenlight, games from all type of developers. GoG have DRM free option on the top. What exactly Epic store have for customers? If someone want to be competitor of Steam they have to offer MORE than Steam have, to me they dont offer jack poo, just another showelware. Steam has had 15 years to work all that out though. Offline mode was a disaster for like the first ten. is it suppose to be excuse? I think my point still stand, if you want to compete you have to put out more than your opponent Or you offer something different than your opponent. Most new companies don't win by trying to outgun the titans of the industry. The only reason I tried Epic was for the free Thimbleweed Park. I'll keep it installed so I can play Phoenix Point. Seems like a pretty simple market decision. Origin actually launched in good shape with full features, stability, and ran better than Steam on my machine. But I rarely launch it because of the games they are peddling.
Vitalis Posted March 15, 2019 Posted March 15, 2019 I don't get that hate for Steam, I mean putting aside DRM which I don't like either steam have Linux support, mod support, player reviews, sales, good comunity hub/communicator, offline mode, greenlight, games from all type of developers. GoG have DRM free option on the top. What exactly Epic store have for customers? If someone want to be competitor of Steam they have to offer MORE than Steam have, to me they dont offer jack poo, just another showelware. If they offer a curated games list, with limited to no shofelware games then it's an improvement for me. Steams game catalogue is not curated and is currently filled with thousands of games for $1 U.S. that are pure shovelware. I recall one of them was actually a bit coin generator for the creators which Steam only removed after it was proven to be one, or maybe Valve left it up because they don't care.
Keyrock Posted March 15, 2019 Posted March 15, 2019 At least Epic and CDPR still make games.Valve put out a new game more recently than both Epic and CDPR. RFK Jr 2024 "Any organization created out of fear must create fear to survive." - Bill Hicks
Malcador Posted March 15, 2019 Posted March 15, 2019 I can't believe how long it took me to realise what you lot are talking about I still have no idea. I assume it's too deep web for me. Piracy groups from history. 1 Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
injurai Posted March 15, 2019 Posted March 15, 2019 At least Epic and CDPR still make games. Valve put out a new game more recently than both Epic and CDPR. Just because McDonalds has a new menu item, doesn't mean it's food.
Chilloutman Posted March 15, 2019 Posted March 15, 2019 I don't get that hate for Steam, I mean putting aside DRM which I don't like either steam have Linux support, mod support, player reviews, sales, good comunity hub/communicator, offline mode, greenlight, games from all type of developers. GoG have DRM free option on the top. What exactly Epic store have for customers? If someone want to be competitor of Steam they have to offer MORE than Steam have, to me they dont offer jack poo, just another showelware. If they offer a curated games list, with limited to no shofelware games then it's an improvement for me. Steams game catalogue is not curated and is currently filled with thousands of games for $1 U.S. that are pure shovelware. I recall one of them was actually a bit coin generator for the creators which Steam only removed after it was proven to be one, or maybe Valve left it up because they don't care. yeah hurray for censor ship because some dumbass is not able to buy only games he is interested in, not to mention cashback option, like seriously, I don't often hear such dumb reason to not like steam I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene"
Mamoulian War Posted March 15, 2019 Posted March 15, 2019 Curation is not censorship. It is the same, like saying, that not selling contaminated polish beef in local mall is unconstitutional. Sent from my Stone Tablet, using Chisel-a-Talk 2000BC. My youtube channel: MamoulianFH Latest Let's Play Tales of Arise (completed) Latest Bossfight Compilation Dark Souls II - Scholar of the First Sin - New Game (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 1: Austria Grand Campaign (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 2: Xhosa Grand Campaign (completed) My PS Platinums and 100% - 30 games so far (my PSN profile) 1) God of War III - PS3 - 24+ hours 2) Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 130+ hours 3) White Knight Chronicles International Edition - PS3 - 525+ hours 4) Hyperdimension Neptunia - PS3 - 80+ hours 5) Final Fantasy XIII-2 - PS3 - 200+ hours 6) Tales of Xillia - PS3 - 135+ hours 7) Hyperdimension Neptunia mk2 - PS3 - 152+ hours 8.) Grand Turismo 6 - PS3 - 81+ hours (including Senna Master DLC) 9) Demon's Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 10) Tales of Graces f - PS3 - 337+ hours 11) Star Ocean: The Last Hope International - PS3 - 750+ hours 12) Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 127+ hours 13) Soulcalibur V - PS3 - 73+ hours 14) Gran Turismo 5 - PS3 - 600+ hours 15) Tales of Xillia 2 - PS3 - 302+ hours 16) Mortal Kombat XL - PS4 - 95+ hours 17) Project CARS Game of the Year Edition - PS4 - 120+ hours 18) Dark Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 19) Hyperdimension Neptunia Victory - PS3 - 238+ hours 20) Final Fantasy Type-0 - PS4 - 58+ hours 21) Journey - PS4 - 9+ hours 22) Dark Souls II - PS3 - 210+ hours 23) Fairy Fencer F - PS3 - 215+ hours 24) Megadimension Neptunia VII - PS4 - 160 hours 25) Super Neptunia RPG - PS4 - 44+ hours 26) Journey - PS3 - 22+ hours 27) Final Fantasy XV - PS4 - 263+ hours (including all DLCs) 28) Tales of Arise - PS4 - 111+ hours 29) Dark Souls: Remastered - PS4 - 121+ hours 30) Mortal Kombat 11 - PS4 - 200+ hours 31) Dark Souls II: Scholar of the First Sin - PS4 - 246+ hours 32) Star Ocean: Faithlessness and Integrity - PS4 - 185+ hours
majestic Posted March 15, 2019 Posted March 15, 2019 I do not know either. I just remember all these names, because they were around the eastern europe when I was a kid. Something abot 20-25 years ago, with maybe the exception of Fairlight, which sound little bit newer Razor 1911 and FAiRLIGHT were from the 80ies, DEViANCE started in the late 90ies and later split into a bunch of groups like ViTALiTY (man, that was some internet drama), RELOADED and who the hells knows what else. Following the end of DEViANCE every new group on the scene was accused or thought to be former DEViANCE. No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering.
Chilloutman Posted March 15, 2019 Posted March 15, 2019 Curation is not censorship. It is the same, like saying, that not selling contaminated polish beef in local mall is unconstitutional. yeah difference is that contamined polish beef can kill you, buying gimmick which you can return for free is .. i dont know, i don't see any negative with it. Not that i play that type of game but curation usually means no porn, no hatered, no postal and go on and on and on... I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene"
Malcador Posted March 15, 2019 Posted March 15, 2019 https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/epic-promises-to-fix-game-launcher-after-privacy-concerns/ PC gamers will undoubtedly fellate Valve over this Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
Mamoulian War Posted March 16, 2019 Posted March 16, 2019 Curation is not censorship. It is the same, like saying, that not selling contaminated polish beef in local mall is unconstitutional. yeah difference is that contamined polish beef can kill you, buying gimmick which you can return for free is .. i dont know, i don't see any negative with it. Not that i play that type of game but curation usually means no porn, no hatered, no postal and go on and on and on... GOG is curated and has Postal and some Japanese Porn Visual Novels. You need to DL the uncensor patches off-site, but that does not change the fact, they all came through their curation process. Sent from my Stone Tablet, using Chisel-a-Talk 2000BC. My youtube channel: MamoulianFH Latest Let's Play Tales of Arise (completed) Latest Bossfight Compilation Dark Souls II - Scholar of the First Sin - New Game (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 1: Austria Grand Campaign (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 2: Xhosa Grand Campaign (completed) My PS Platinums and 100% - 30 games so far (my PSN profile) 1) God of War III - PS3 - 24+ hours 2) Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 130+ hours 3) White Knight Chronicles International Edition - PS3 - 525+ hours 4) Hyperdimension Neptunia - PS3 - 80+ hours 5) Final Fantasy XIII-2 - PS3 - 200+ hours 6) Tales of Xillia - PS3 - 135+ hours 7) Hyperdimension Neptunia mk2 - PS3 - 152+ hours 8.) Grand Turismo 6 - PS3 - 81+ hours (including Senna Master DLC) 9) Demon's Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 10) Tales of Graces f - PS3 - 337+ hours 11) Star Ocean: The Last Hope International - PS3 - 750+ hours 12) Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 127+ hours 13) Soulcalibur V - PS3 - 73+ hours 14) Gran Turismo 5 - PS3 - 600+ hours 15) Tales of Xillia 2 - PS3 - 302+ hours 16) Mortal Kombat XL - PS4 - 95+ hours 17) Project CARS Game of the Year Edition - PS4 - 120+ hours 18) Dark Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 19) Hyperdimension Neptunia Victory - PS3 - 238+ hours 20) Final Fantasy Type-0 - PS4 - 58+ hours 21) Journey - PS4 - 9+ hours 22) Dark Souls II - PS3 - 210+ hours 23) Fairy Fencer F - PS3 - 215+ hours 24) Megadimension Neptunia VII - PS4 - 160 hours 25) Super Neptunia RPG - PS4 - 44+ hours 26) Journey - PS3 - 22+ hours 27) Final Fantasy XV - PS4 - 263+ hours (including all DLCs) 28) Tales of Arise - PS4 - 111+ hours 29) Dark Souls: Remastered - PS4 - 121+ hours 30) Mortal Kombat 11 - PS4 - 200+ hours 31) Dark Souls II: Scholar of the First Sin - PS4 - 246+ hours 32) Star Ocean: Faithlessness and Integrity - PS4 - 185+ hours
Chilloutman Posted March 16, 2019 Posted March 16, 2019 well, as i said i dont play that so probably good for them, but still don't see point of curation. I mean I can do that for myself just fine. If that is only downside of steam I can live with it without a problem I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene"
Vaeliorin Posted March 16, 2019 Posted March 16, 2019 Seriously, what is up with Epic? I just made an account (yeah, yeah, my information will go to the Chinese government or whatever...it's not like I'm ever buying anything from them or giving them my credit card information) and someone had already made an account with my e-mail address. Do they seriously not have some sort of e-mail verification for account creation? What the heck kind of company doesn't have at least that?
melkathi Posted March 16, 2019 Posted March 16, 2019 The question is, can you change password, it being your email? Hotels had an issue with AirBnB. Someone made accounts for most hotels in Athens, couldn't verify the emails of course. But, as the hotel email addresses now have accounts tied to them, when AirBnB tried to recruit hotels to offer their rooms on the platform, they couldn't make accounts. Would have been easy enough if they could just change passwords, but to do that they need to prove they are the person who made the account and provide that person's info. So nobody has access to those accounts. And customer support doesn't fix it because they only fix things for superhosts Unobtrusively informing you about my new ebook (which you should feel free to read and shower with praise).
Vaeliorin Posted March 16, 2019 Posted March 16, 2019 Yeah, I did change the password, but it's still crazy to me that they don't even have that minimum amount of security on the creation of accounts. I also contacted them about the issue, but I doubt they'll care (it's kind of telling that they have a choice in their dropdown for contacting support that lists "Account created without my permission." or something very similar.) 2
the_dog_days Posted March 16, 2019 Posted March 16, 2019 My feelings on Steam/Epic. (Spoiler tag for language.)
Labadal Posted March 16, 2019 Posted March 16, 2019 For now, I'll keep using Steam and GOG. Once third party retailers can sell Epic Games Store keys for cheap, then I will consider them. As it is now, I am simply claiming all the freebies. 1
Fenixp Posted March 17, 2019 Posted March 17, 2019 Yeah, I did change the password, but it's still crazy to me that they don't even have that minimum amount of security on the creation of accounts.What kind of security? I'm pretty sure that if I inputted your email right here, on Obsidian boards, you'd be unable to create another account with that email - even if I did not verify said account using inputted email. Usually, the point at which an e-mail address gets reserved is the one where you enter your email at registration. Confirming that you own said email then merely activates said account. When someone else uses your email address to register but can't activate your account, most online software that I know will behave in the same way - it'll tell you that the email is taken at registration, but will allow you to re-activate it/reset password and re-activate it, since it's you who owns the email (Hopefully. Be wary of your passwords.) Sometimes, accounts which go unverified for a longer period of time will get deleted - but that's not really a security precaution, more of a "Don't fill my database with crap" precaution. 1
Katphood Posted March 17, 2019 Posted March 17, 2019 (edited) I am about a week late here but damn, this sure looks neat: ...not as neat as Zenki Zero though, no game is complete without goats and that game has enough goats to last you a lifetime. Edited March 17, 2019 by Katphood There used to be a signature here, a really cool one...and now it's gone.
Oner Posted March 17, 2019 Posted March 17, 2019 EA survey finds majority of players want games to be more inclusive Are you implying that the whole GamerGate nonsense about the evils of racist-sexist-narcissist-bigoted-everything gamers was utter bull, EA? Imconcievable! Giveaway list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DgyQFpOJvyNASt8A12ipyV_iwpLXg_yltGG5mffvSwo/edit?usp=sharing What is glass but tortured sand?Never forget! '12.01.13.
LittleArmadillo0 Posted March 17, 2019 Posted March 17, 2019 Judgement is being halted after one of the voice actors tested positive for cocaine I wonder what the state of the game will go under.
Orogun01 Posted March 17, 2019 Posted March 17, 2019 Judgement is being halted after one of the voice actors tested positive for cocaine I wonder what the state of the game will go under. Just let the guy do his lines and then read his lines. 8 I'd say the answer to that question is kind of like the answer to "who's the sucker in this poker game?"* *If you can't tell, it's you.
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