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I'm guessing that those doing genital mutilation (of either sex, mind) don't much pay attention to Twitter. Which is about the only thing I can admire about them. Seriously, if Whedon is off Twitter, he's better off.

Right, right. I'm sure you guys are aware that that all sorts of arbitrary **** is already handled by committees, right? They aren't "people's" committees, true. They are "parliamentary"[1][2] committees, but they are committees all the same, so other than the obvious reference to revolutionary terrors, I'm not sure what your point is. Fun fact: in Europe, conservative and centre-right parties are usually named... the People's Party. Maybe the "1%er Party" and the "Lizard Overlords Party" were taken. I don't know. Regardless, I still haven't seen either of you (or anyone else here for that matter) mention actual proposals and discuss them. I guess you guys just don't know. I'm sure you'll agree that dismissing stuff based on ignorance and prejudice isn't sensible, however. See, other than the obvious slippery slope (regulation means dictatorship and that means genocide and camps!), the most glaring flaw in your stance is that you are forgetting that deregulation is what caused the 2008 cluster****. But it gets better, because economists are already warning that the 2008 fail was nothing compared to what will happen when (not if) the global financial derivatives market, which is currently at least 10 times the size of the world's GDP, collapses. Repeat, not if, but when. And that is just a portion of the make-believe global financial economy. So, what do you want to do about it? Let me guess, nothing. Because it will sort itself out eventually, right? Only history suggests it won't, and it'll result in either massive bailouts whose cost will be assumed by the taxpayer* while execs continue to pocket nice bonuses, or a total crash that will make everyone equally miserable. Sounds familiar? I don't care what other people earn. I care what that means for me. It's funny, because I'm not even arguing for regulation. I hate regulation. Regulation means somebody's making them rules, and that somebody is 9 times out of 10 either exploiting the rules for himself or selling out to someone who does. But please, please don't make it look like that only happens in so-called "socialist" countries. So, what do you want to do? Is anyone out there saying what you want to hear? Don't forget that, If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal — Emma Goldman *remember, as per your own admission, the super-rich don't pay taxes because fiscal engineering is a thing and they can afford to hire experts, or even outright buy MPs to write them some nice custom-made bills. So by taxpayer, we actually mean the poor and middle class.

Sure, go right ahead. You posted only questions, but not your perfectly smart but dangerously left-leaning colleague's responses. Maybe we can compare them to actual proposals/demands made by the montagnards bolsheviks British left and discuss their merits and flaws.

Bro. The environment is what I'm concerned about. You think those MRAPs comply with EPA fuel economy regulations? Please!

I'm guessing the article refers more to the $4.2bn worth of military aircraft, MRAPs and other hand-me-down hardware. edit: btw, that comes 100% out of tax dollars.

You broke my precious links. ;C My point is that a) militarized SWAT teams are deployed at the drop of a hat and b) they don't **** around and people often die, not necessarily the bad guys (assuming there are bad guys present at all). If you aren't worried about those two factors combined in a school environment... I don't know what to say to you. If there is a shooter situation at your school, the lockdown protocols themselves are more likely to prevent fatalities than a bunch of trigger-happy Delta wannabes dropping by 10-12 minutes later.

And you have absolutely no problem with yahoos that are for all intents and purpose indistinguishable* from spec ops kill teams possibly showing up at school at the first sign of trouble[1][2][3]? O-kay. *except for the huge beer gut trying to break free from the constrains of the tactical vest Ah, true. The other guy that was murdered alongside Kyle. Good catch, bonus points for trivia and visual acuity.

At least that guy is actually enforcing the twisted laws of the future. Punisher's entire point is that he ignores the law and kills people he knows done "Bad stuff" which is exactly what you don't want LAW ENFORCEMENT to idolize. But as I mentioned I doubt that is why they using that symbol, I really think its got to do with Chris Kyle For once, Bruce is right. Right click on the image and open it in a new window — it reads "Chris Kyle" right over the Texas flag, and somethingsomething underneath. Why public servants would want to sport the name of, at best, a pathological liar on their shoulder is beyond me, however. Lol @ "law enforcement", though. You couldn't tell those guys apart from typical USASOC or MARSOC operators if it weren't for the "Garland Police" patch. But technically they aren't military, so no need to formally repeal that pesky Posse Comitatus Act! Great job. :salute: For reference, for those of you who have actually forgotten, this is what law enforcement looks like: edit: is that a combat knife scabbard that's partially covered by his hand? Uh...

I filled it out... I think. "Gotovo" means I completed it? That's the last button I clicked on. Then I got some ad asking me to register with SM, in Russian. At least I think it was asking me to register...

I played a bit more of Xenonauts. I just read that they decided to make psi abilities unavailable to the player because "lol imba". Some of the changes I really like (such as making laser weapons useful). This one, not so much. Needs autoresolve for ground missions, though.

In Soviet Russia, forum trolls you!

Funny that you mention an ideological funny bone when it was you who first linked, as is custom, the crimes of Soviet Russia with modern Western left politics. Because "political DNA". I have news for you mate, you share 35-60% of your genes with the common fly — how often do you find yourself sucking or wanting to suck crap? But then I'm "derailing" the thread by pointing out simple facts. My bad, I thought this thread was "UK election special", not "The Red Scare Special vol. MDLXXIII". I must have misread. The whole thing is silly because modern Western pinkos are about as close to Marxism-Leninism as modern liberals are to John Stuart Mill. That is, not close at all. Facile appeals to emotion (fear), broad sweeping statements and mental shortcuts have exactly the same stifling effect on debate as using the law to suppress it. Arguably worse, because a top-down crackdown is much easier to recognize than the pitfalls of groupthink. And what is this "importing client voters from overseas", exactly? You mean aliens? Can aliens vote in the UK? And this is wrong... why?

I know the point he was making, but it's a specious point. The average "leftie" isn't for criminalization of private property and internment in camps anymore than the average "righty" is for the revival of a caucasian-centric Roman Empire and phrenology-enabled subjugation of "sub-humans".

Yeah, I saw that. However you couldn't resist taking a potshot at your friendly neighbourhood commissar (seriously, outside of philosophy and polsci undergrad circles, WHERE are these people?), hence my comment. I don't really agree that "the left" (I guess you mean contemporary leftards) get a free pass. Left-leaning totalitarian regimes do enjoy the advantage of not having been utterly destroyed in a world war, so there's generally much less open debate and criticism going on in countries that suffered said regimes where their heirs are still directly in control. Other than that, I think just about anyone with half a working neuron outside of those countries will agree that statist genocide and oppression are bad, regardless of what banner you wrap it in. Using "the left" label to lump together everyone who isn't happy with the status quo and then pulling the Red scare card is just cheap, man. Anyway, I thought this was about UK elections (a discussion I find way more interesting), and not a thinly veiled attempt to rehash the same old topics for the billionth time. Can we let old ghosts in the past and discuss the present situation instead? I understand if the left really are as pathetic in the UK as they are in my country you'd be right to point and laugh. You don't need to drag Uncle Joe out of his grave for that, right? Right?

We interrupt your regularly scheduled programming to bring you a few facts that you'll most likely ignore anyway! Well, yeah. The "left" murdered more people in Siberian prisons that anyone else because only the "left" could use the prisons in Siberia to murder people in. If, however, you are talking about genocide in general, your info is a bit out of date, I'm afraid. And, at any rate, more people died outside of the camps due to famine and disease, engineered or otherwise, than within. But do we really always have to end up comparing **** size? Jeez. Regardless, it's at best disingenuous to continue to try and place Bolsheviks and Nazis in the normal left/right spectrum as they had more in common with each other, despite obvious differences, than they did with more moderate political alternatives (go go totalitarianism). Hello, this isn't 1920 anymore, maybe it's time to cut the Red scare tripe out. Ironically enough, the politics of inequality continue to create and nurture the fecal culture in which the bloody grassroots revolts you (rightly) fear are born. The suggestion that wealth redistribution is somehow an exclusive practice of the political left is also pretty lol-worthy.

Personally, I can't wait to start throwing fat wads of cash at Prosper.

Hold up. Aren't you part of the British public? Charles? Is that you?

Just to clarify, I wasn't necessarily disagreeing with you, so I apologize if I came off as confrontational. I quoted you because I wanted to express, as you did, my own pov on the matter, specifically regarding the "they deserve to get paid for their work" sophism I see repeated so often these days. I may have misunderstood what you mean with the LoL example but seeing as I came to a similar conclusion I actually don't think that's the case. I didn't watch TB's vid because I can hardly sit through two hours of A+ movies, much less some random dude rambling about stuff. I know what his general stance is though, and from what little I've watched/read he's also guilty of the same sophistry, which isn't really surprising considering he's personally invested as a content creator. I may be wrong, though. Regardless, two hours. My poor ADD... And as an aside, I'm not especially frustrated about mods — but it does piss me off to no end that these days the only value is dollar value. These events are just a facet of that overarching issue.

(emphasis mine) See, this whole debate is rooted on statements and assumptions that at first sound good, but don't really hold up to scrutiny. Let's talk about "work". Should people get paid for their work? Well, yeah. I'm a worker, and I sure like getting paid. Problem is when some marketing or finance genius (read: good-for-nothing parasite) comes up with a great idea to turn random **** into a commercial transaction. For instance, I like trying new recipes, and I treat my friends when they come over. Should I start charging* them because "I deserve to get paid for my work"? I also offer free advice to clueless newbies at the gym now that I no longer work as a PT. Should I charge for each and every pointer, every spotted exercise? Because, you know, "I deserve to get paid for my work". I also like to open doors for old ladies and even help them with their bags sometimes. I guess I should charge for that too, because I should get paid yadda yadda. And don't anyone dare say it's not work. I just do that **** because I enjoy doing it, I believe I should do it, or simply because I ****ing feel like doing it, not because I hope to receive monetary compensation. I like the LoL simile, and I'm going to extend it to sports in general. Imagine if everyone who trains in a sport but isn't good enough to make a living from it started demanding to "get paid for their work". A majority of amateur sports events are free to attend. Much like mods, some of that is barely worth the time spent watching it, let alone actual money. Unlike gamers, however, sports talent scouts will demand to see a demonstration before committing a fiver and will simply not fund/sponsor/hire anyone who doesn't meet the standards for pro sports, regardless of how hard and how long they train. It's those standards that justify the price of admission for sports events. With this ****, standards are kicked to the curb and your money suddenly buys less, because when devs start getting a cut from mod sales, the "Day One DLC" effect is going to be amplified with devs putting the absolute minimum effort into build a platform that is suitable to build mods on. Because anything else isn't cost-effective and cost-effectiveness is the difference between staying in business and foreclosure, buyout by EA, asset stripping etc. Peeps want to charge for their mods? They can step up their game and offer the same dollar-to-content ratio you'd expect from a professional studio, work with the devs and publishers to get their product certified under the same QA standards and get it distributed the same way DLC is, with the same guarantees, lackluster as they may be. That will encourage more and better mods. That "work" I'm willing to pay for. Regrettably, it also requires an investment from the industry which means putting a dent on profits, so **** that **** and let's just scrap standards instead. With this ****ing bull**** consumerist market pandemonium we live and breathe, it's not at all about what you "deserve" to get paid for, it's what you can get away with charging for (and how much). People have sadly lost the ability to distinguish between the two, and anyone arguing the opposite will be downvoted to hell and branded a commie, a freeloader, an entitled man-child or what have you by the hordes of loyal thralls. *of course, they would argue that I should pay them, and that is kind of the ****ing point. With mods it's all good because it's just harmless fun, right? Wrong, Gaben dixit.

I liked AP a lot, one of my favorite Obs games for sure. Underrated, though many, even here, will disagree. Still hopeful that SEGA will dust off the IP and fund a sequel, some day.

Mods pls rename the thread to "MEH I GOT A ROGUE MOLE". (grats on your non life-threatening cosmetic imperfection, btw)

So it's not any mainstream left group in particular that you can point to, and it's not the Democratic Party either. Seems to me like you are constantly referring to some ill-defined and nebulous "left-wing progressives" that don't actually exist? I mean, they may be slightly more real than Sasquatch, but they aren't representative of your average pinko any more than someone who shaves their head and gets a keltenkreuz tattoo on their chest is representative of "conservatives". Looks like A-level strawmanning to me, chief. Please prove me wrong. As always I don't know which is worse the lying or how bad they are at it. So people being **** again, I'm shocked. Cops and the media will lie and say that the victim reached for their gun or that they felt "their lives were threatened" to justify putting a whole magazine worth of lead in someone's back. Thugs and the media will lie and say they are demonstrating peacefully after burning down the drug store they just looted, and cutting open the fire hose used to put out the fire. Remember the time when people actually did as they said? Me neither.

They don't even have a dedicated website for the game? I thought this was going to be a MMO? It's hard to tell by the Steam description. I... am not sure I want this game.

What is this "progressive left" you keep referring to in these bogeyman posts you make? Because the American left I'm aware of is very much for the repeal of PATRIOT, the de-militarization of police forces, the reduction of the budget dedicated to the intelligence apparatus, etc. Sure, they like to complain about some of the side-effects of big government and hold emotional speeches about the need for "change" to make themselves feel better, but when push comes to shove and they realize that actual change would threaten the political-financial complex that their Democratic party is deeply embedded in, they backpedal. PS: Same with immigration reform. Progressives love to exploit tragic stories of immigrants to proof to each other how much the 'care', but when it comes to concrete policy suggestions, they quickly find excuses and the only ones left defending proposals for more open borders are libertarian / classical-liberal types. So, the "left" for you is the Democratic Party? That explains a lot.

Say what you will about Angry Joe, but he does have great taste in metal: