BruceVC

I could never align myself mentally with the Orcs, I always had an issue with the fact they kept fellow humans in slavery and treated humans with utter disdain. But I did enjoy working for both sides in Gothic 3 to gain XP until I started killing the various Orc leaders

Nah. They face less discrimination, certainly. But as to who faces "derogatory" and "dehumanizing" treatment? How can you even being to quantify that? "Specific forms" is my real point there. I'm not contesting for a single second that everyone in the world can be the target of terrible things done by other people. But how many forms of derogatory and dehumanizing treatment have specifically targeted the straight white male? Compared to, say, black people, or gay men? That's what I'm getting at. This doesn't really help your argument, though. Every white male who has ever been through US military bootcamp has been dehumanized and faced with derogatory comments. Every white male who has been through high school in the United States has been dehumanized and faced derogatory comments. You keep using these two words, but I think you want to use other words. You're basically saying that white men don't get insulted or treated like ****. Of course they do, and it is usually from other white males. Focusing on this is waste of time and effort. You are actually insulting the intelligence of people who follow and study the issues of sexism and misogyny if you are suggesting that on an average men go through the same amount of abuse, either physical or verbal, that many women are subjected to in real life and the Internet

Thats my view as well. I loved FC2. So this will be a 1 month purchase for me...I always wait 1 month before buying any game to wait for feedback and the first patches to get released

Thats an excellent, honest, evocative and relevant post. Seriously dude...well done I hope Volo takes the time to read and absorb it

That is excellent news, well done villagers !!! But I wonder if special forces were helping them ?

i think its utterly reprehensible that during this particular crisis for these young girls people are spreading anti-American propaganda

Volo has a good point here, why should you feel guilty for what your parents did?

You sound very guilty about something Nonek, what have you done? Have you offended another lady gamer in the armour thread ......tell me all about it. There is no judgment here my son

That would be pretty much the definition of bias and prejudice when those "ideas and values" are based on skintone or gender or sexuality or any other superficial irrelevant trait or set of traits. (As I've mentioned before, the reasoning can be seen but that doesn't mean it's not faulty.) "Privilege" is more the concept that certain groups are inherently advantaged in terms of societal prejudices and systemic bias. (That doesn't mean that members of those groups cannot be disadvantaged in other ways, most commonly economically. The standard way of describing it is: In the majority of instances, all other things being equal, someone of the privileged group/s will fare better in the same situation than someone of a disadvantaged group.) [For most areas of the West, such disadvantaged groups include: non-white people, individuals that are LGBTQIA, women, and those that are disabled. A short but by no means comprehensive list.] I wouldn't think anyone could reasonably argue that prejudice and bias don't exist, or are not things which most people perpetrate without being aware of, nor that socioeconomic and political/legal systems tend to be apply in a rather unequal manner. I think that anyone can tell people are different from each and tend to band together for different reasons, superficial or no. But is it even a bad thing? You cannot force people to love each other, it has to come evolve from each individual, and neither can it be reason with, since love, well, isn't not that reasonable to begin with. I am not asking for isolation or to live through the eyes of fear, i am simply asking for freedom of association. Do you wish to undermine it? And how can you expect to deconstruct power-structures without seriously hindering it? Just curious. Hmm. See, this is where my personal and ethical views can diverge. Personally, I wouldn't mind isolating/ostracising/exiling the more extreme sort of bigots. I tend to consider them beyond redemption, because very little will convince someone that was raised from birth to believe xyz things and has their peer group and authority figures reinforcing those views and has no personal motivation (other than possibly a sense of ethical rightfulness?) to actually change their behaviour. That said, I do believe that those that are simply naive/ignorant are more than capable of learning and adapting. ( You see thats where I have no issue locking away extreme irredeemable bigots. Just remove them from society, some people on these forums have called me an authoritarian and dictator because of this perspective of mine. But I think I could sleep fine in the evening knowing certain people weren't able to negatively impact society

Wow thats an unnecessarily rude and dismissive comment Drowsy This whole thread is basically about social justice issues. If you really have an issue with someone indirectly responding to you than rather don't comment at all. You do have the rest of forum to discuss what you want. But on this thread we don't have an issue where someone challengers our opinion What's wrong with being rude and dismissive ? You're that way plenty of times - see the Ukraine thread. Malc thats it, I'm tired of your cheekiness. I'm sorry to do this but you but you are forcing me to send you to your bedroom with no dessert !!! Hopefully you will learn your lesson the next time !!!

Polonium 210 is an alpha emitter, and as such it will not radiate from a person since even skin is enough to stop it. You want a nice beta or even better gamma emitter for your simile. Now that this vital information has been disbursed I return you to the eternal debate: misogyny vs misterogyny, which is worse and why? Neither is good, both are equally bad and a form of bigotry. But I do believe misogyny is more widespread, practiced and acceptable in some places in the world.

Trust me I think Mods have a very difficult job and I wouldn't want to do it, But I don't see how you can think Drowsy's comment was polite or constructive in anyway. Especially after Paradox spent time making a detailed post I've been on the internet long enough to not to mentally register posts that are rude or not constructive. You will learn as well, trust me Fair enough, I just believe in posting etiquette in the interests of healthy debate. Surly the least we should try to do if someone spends time making a longish post is respond without being completely dismissive. I'm not saying you have to agree but to reject the principle of the post is unhelpful?

Trust me I think Mods have a very difficult job and I wouldn't want to do it, But I don't see how you can think Drowsy's comment was polite or constructive in anyway. Especially after Paradox spent time making a detailed post

Wow thats an unnecessarily rude and dismissive comment Drowsy This whole thread is basically about social justice issues. If you really have an issue with someone indirectly responding to you than rather don't comment at all. You do have the rest of forum to discuss what you want. But on this thread we don't have an issue where someone challengers our opinion

https://za.news.yahoo.com/video/playlist/barcrofttv/orphaned-elephant-calf-refuses-leave-100634729.html Not really funny, more poignant. But a good animal story nonetheless

Really? You should. I don't know about how old Bruce is, but it could very well be he's young enough not to have had any part in Apartheid, so if that's so I wouldn't hold him responsible for something he has had nothing to do with. Just like I wouldn't hold young Germans responsible for what happened during the second world war. 100 % correct, when you are right you are right Jadedmeister. I think Monte knows this but he is just trying to get a reaction from me

Really? You should. Why? I wasn't involved in the voting or support of the Apartheid system, I was too young . My parents may feel guilty but they supported a liberal political party in South Africa. I prefer to look forward and focus on how I can improve South Africa and not base my actions on some misplaced sense of guilt for something I had no control over

And I think Bruce is attracted to being a Social Justice Warrior (god, how I hate this term) because of his idealistic outlook, not out of any kind of man-hating. Bruce is South African. Liberal South Africans are like those Germans born in the 1950s who felt guilty about the war and never stopped apologizing for it. They ended up joining the SPD and Greens while feeling tender towards the Commies who'd stolen the other half of their country. Their liberal self-loathing radiates from them like Polonium 210. Nice people, when all's said and done, but the product of a system that lionises guilt. Mind you, they've plenty to feel guilty about but how you process it is what counts. As for our Social Justice Troll, who seems to want to police an entire gender to suit his tastes... whatever. Monte did you read Paradox comments, if not please go back and read what he said. It wont take you long and he makes some very cogent and reasonable points around this issue. Also I don't feel guilty about Apartheid but I am motivated around issues of social justice because I have seen how people have suffered due to bigotry. This is an important distinction than saying I am driven by guilt

Gromnir I'll tell you something interesting and true. In life you don't need to know any minority group or person being discriminated against in order to feel empathy. All you need to do is ask yourself " how would I like to be treated like that" If the answer is " no I wouldn't like that" then I can guarantee you the minority group also wouldn't like it For example, how would you feel if a group of people refused to allow you into a restaurant with your family or partner because of the color of your skin? They gave no other reason except for " no your type aren't welcome here". How would you feel...hurt ...embarrassed...humiliated....? This are the types of emotionas that people who are discriminated against feel and I'm sure you agree this wouldn't be a nice experience yet I doubt you have ever been stopped going into a restaurant because of the color of your skin? as a minority, we believe your perspective is a bit... simple. am actual a teeny bit perturbed, and our knee-jerk reaction is to kinda rub your nose in your error to make a point, but that wouldn't be helpful. *deep breath* regardless. we mentioned above that empathy didn't help us with our girlfriend's pov. she were genuine bothered by the portrayal o' male & females in Children of Dune. sure, we could, after-the-fact, kinda imagine how the tv miniseries were sexist and demeaning, but that ain't genuine understanding, and only way it helped us were to be realizing that we don't get it-- where "it" is The Female Pov. the last thing our girlfriend woulda' wanted were some kinda patronizing faux empathy. "i feel your pain." nonsense. HA! Good Fun! ps serious, don't make assumptions that may come back to bite you in the arse. You see I have no issue admitting I made an incorrect characterization when I assumed you weren't a minority group, I apologize. What minority group are you so I don't repeat the mistake? But I don't see how that changes my point, I don't need to be a minority group to say I can empathize with the victims of bigotry. This is not "I feel your pain nonsense" This is something I take seriously and believe in because I live in a country that discriminated against people because of there color of there skin. Fundamentally growing up in the appalling system of Apartheid has helped to shape my views on issues of social justice

Gromnir I'll tell you something interesting and true. In life you don't need to know any minority group or person being discriminated against in order to feel empathy. All you need to do is ask yourself " how would I like to be treated like that" If the answer is " no I wouldn't like that" then I can guarantee you the minority group also wouldn't like it For example, how would you feel if a group of people refused to allow you into a restaurant with your family or partner because of the color of your skin? They gave no other reason except for " no your type aren't welcome here". How would you feel...hurt ...embarrassed...humiliated....? This are the types of emotionas that people who are discriminated against feel and I'm sure you agree this wouldn't be a nice experience yet I doubt you have ever been stopped going into a restaurant because of the color of your skin? Institutional segregation tends to look like that, individual has more of a personal touch. There is often a few specific reason that are called upon when people try to justify their hate or rationalize it. The sad part is when it becomes hard to argue against it. My point is that people have different experiences regarding races and stereotypes and in homogeneous cultures they usually tend to be limited to a small sample. So while you might think of a normal person of African or Indian descent others might first recall the gangbanger who wore his pants below his underwear, spat when he spoke and was generally just a ****ty human being. I agree that promoting diversity helps avert this problem by increasing the sample size, but I dislike the notion that mentioning certain facts are dismissed as racist, homophobic, or misogynist simply because they are of an antagonistic nature. Fair enough, but don't you agree there is a thin line between mentioning facts and a racist\offensive comment ?

Gromnir I'll tell you something interesting and true. In life you don't need to know any minority group or person being discriminated against in order to feel empathy. All you need to do is ask yourself " how would I like to be treated like that" If the answer is " no I wouldn't like that" then I can guarantee you the minority group also wouldn't like it For example, how would you feel if a group of people refused to allow you into a restaurant with your family or partner because of the color of your skin? They gave no other reason except for " no your type aren't welcome here". How would you feel...hurt ...embarrassed...humiliated....? This are the types of emotionas that people who are discriminated against feel and I'm sure you agree this wouldn't be a nice experience yet I doubt you have ever been stopped going into a restaurant because of the color of your skin?

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Oh you do make me laugh Nonek.. I think its great that we have a thread dedicated to issues of social justice, a topic that despite your claims on not really caring much about you post continously in. And I'm not complaining. I enjoy your posts and this was your idea after all so the least you can do is contribute towards it

Well aside from judging the forum from one thread, insinuating a moderator is planning to or will persecute him and that there is indeed crude commentary in this place, I guess there is something refreshing there. *ahem* I judged it on at least two threads. (Actually more, but two that I actually paid attention to properly.) So there. (& there's definitely bigotry and crude commentary present as well as derogatory terminology being used in some instances. There's certainly also some backlash, but it's not universal. I mean, case in point: you have a thread about whether women [to identify a single frequently-disadvantaged group] in gaming are disrespected and whether steps should be taken to address that, and if so then what those should be.. yet people are attempting to argue that it isn't the case or the status quo is fine and things will just.. magically sort themselves out? Without any actual action or change?) Though if you'd rather weakly snark in my general direction instead of respond to points then that's your prerogative. I'm well-aware I was being argumentative and confrontational. That does tend to be the case when arguments are taking place. (Would you rather I treated you like a delicate flower? Some seem to be vehemently against anything like that.) As for moderators, well.. based on the available evidence at least one of them doesn't seem up to par. My experience has been that, given any authority, a significant proportion of people will tend to either be inept or corrupt. They're ineffectual or they're abusive. Varies in degree, but that does tend to be the case. (I'd welcome being proved wrong on that.) Good trolling though, perhaps Gfted1 will take the bait. Malc I have said this numerous times before but you must stop thinking people are trolling when they are actually engaging in an interesting or controversial debate Trolling is not an exchange of intelligent or different views but is done only to get a emotional reaction, this discussion is not about trolling in any respects