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again, not black and about as far away from upper class as is possible. how many times we gotta let you know we ain't black before it sinks in? you is so dogged on this and we can't explain the origin. oh well, poor white kid growing up in the ghetto and suffering more racism than we can imagine sounds far more whiny than anything we has posted. am trying to decide if that is counting more as hypocrisy, irony or just plain stupidity on your part to not recognize that your complaint 'bout Gromnir followed right after your little hard knocks for bester tale. you need a tissue and a chance to compose self? btw, we thinks we kinda made clear that we ain't suffering oppression in the office. some o' our colleagues don't even think o' us as a minority and others clear forget that we is til after they say something stoopid. is like our euro friends who didn't seem to see us as American. Gromnir ain't poor educated. we don't talk funny, quote che guevera, or think oj were innocent. sure, we look different, but is amazing how folks can kinda ignore that kinda stuff. bester is in his own little world now... is probably his way to try and get himself out o' the horrible hole he dug with his hypothetical racist and homophobic girlfriend. and we got absolutely no idea how the tale o' woe o' how you suffered at the hands o' blacks and arabs is 'posed to make us think your girlfriend is less racist or that bioware is more misogynist. is it 'posed to makes us think that you is a racist but that you got reasons for it? am suspecting you think you made some kinda relevant point, but am not seeing it. HA! Good Fun! Gromnir I have asked you this before and you didn't want to answer, but what minority group are you? I respect the fact you don't feel its relevant but you can see how it creates certain confusion and assumptions. I also assumed you were African American but if you are not then I would have to guess you are Latino? But if you don't want to answer that's also fine, it won't change the fact in any respect that sometimes I agree with you and sometimes I don't

But you can't expect people not to react emotionally when a post is made in way that is suppose to create emotion. There are many ways to make a point in a way that doesn't across as offensive

I hear you but I never get upset by people that exhibit either intentionally or unintentionally dysfunctional mannerisms. I focus on people that want to be positive or people that are prepared to have a reasonable debate around issues

I travel overseas for work all the time and its been irrefutably proven that Canadians are by far the rudest and most cynical people...what do you think Malc ?

Do you suspect this is your dormant psychic abilities that are slowly manifesting themselves ......

Yay, this is amazing news !!! Nice post, I will be following this one closely

Do you date only because of how hot the girl is? That is kind of shallow, you know. Also, to answer your previous question, I don't know what gave you the idea that I didn't like romances, cause I actually do dig them if they are well written. I guess there's a fat lonely woman inside of me somewhere. Not that any of the Bio romances are well written. I'm actually trying out a few of the romance mods for BG2 right now and "Fade" is actually okay, 6/10. No offense but your "friend" comes across as raving homophobic racist. Even if that's not her intention. She is a paradigm of the worst type of Romance person If she really is your friend what you have done is belittle her and make her look absolutely stupid, you clearly don't respect her to post something like that. That's not how a friend treats a friend Also of course you initially have to be attracted to someone to date them? Surly in the beginning of a relationship that's a factor? No. I actually showed her this thread and she said some people on this forum are incredibly dumb because she's had black friends when she lived abroad and she's always made fun of people with prejudices. Also, she's a really kind person. She just doesn't get turned on by black people and bisexual men and there's nobody to blame, she lives a happy life. Yet in here she was called all kinds of insults, so look who's prejudiced. I think it's because a lot of people in here are locked into a certain way of thinking and lack openness of mind. I don't blame them, you can't ask a dog to count to 10 just like you can't ask these people to understand things that are beyond their cultural environment which they have never left in their whole life. They think their environment is alpha and omega and that theirs is the only right way to think, while in real life there's many other sorts of realities. I lived in many countries and speak many languages, so I guess I'm more privileged than they are. We're just on completely different levels here. Le sigh. So I'm going you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are not Trolling or trying to get a reaction from people and that you are being serious and respond accordingly As you know I am promancer so I can understand someone not wanting to Romance someone who they cant identify with. Part of a Romance option is some sort of connection. For example I have Romanced Viconia, Morrigan and Isabella. But I have never played a female character who has dated a gay female option I have no issue with anyone else doing this but for me my RP experience, which includes Romance, needs to resonate with me. So as far as your friend is concerned all I would ask is " what is the reason she doesn't find black men attractive" In South Africa when I have asked people I know "why wouldn't you date a black women that you think is attractive " ( and this also applies to black people dating white people ) I hear a variety of reasons and justifications. I don't believe most of it because end of the day the real reason is a historical view that "dating across the racial line is wrong" and some people have this almost subconscious and engrained perspective that inter-racial dating is on some level not acceptable. But at the root cause its because they have been raised a certain way and told " you need to date within your own racial group" even if they can't articulate the reason why

Do you date only because of how hot the girl is? That is kind of shallow, you know. Also, to answer your previous question, I don't know what gave you the idea that I didn't like romances, cause I actually do dig them if they are well written. I guess there's a fat lonely woman inside of me somewhere. Not that any of the Bio romances are well written. I'm actually trying out a few of the romance mods for BG2 right now and "Fade" is actually okay, 6/10. No offense but your "friend" comes across as raving homophobic racist. Even if that's not her intention. She is a paradigm of the worst type of Romance person If she really is your friend what you have done is belittle her and make her look absolutely stupid, you clearly don't respect her to post something like that. That's not how a friend treats a friend Also of course you initially have to be attracted to someone to date them? Surly in the beginning of a relationship that's a factor?

Good question actually but I have played many games that have a female antagonist. Like Dungeon Siege 3? Or NWN2 with that lady sorcerer who is a member of the Host Tower of the Arcane. What about any game that features Drow and there matriarchal society?

On level 10 of Legend of Grimrock, damn some of the puzzles are hard. I can't believe that some people played this game and didn't use walkthroughs around some of the puzzles? I suppose I have become lazy when it comes to challenging games

I don't think Bester is trolling, I genuinely think he is trying to make a point buts its a deeply spurious point and makes no sense to me. I think sometimes these types of discussions are really used in an attempt to highlight something else, in this case its how stupid Romance is and how stupid people who like Romance sound, but who knows with Bester? Anyway I want to ask something else more interesting. Is it really racist if you say "I don't date outside my racial group"? For me if a person says that because they claim they don't find people of different races attractive that would be a lie and racist IMO. Beauty is beauty and this is not defined by race But in South Africa I have heard several people both black and white on the radio or other mediums say things like " I don't mind other people doing it but I don't date outside my racial group". The common reason they say they won't date across the racial line is because of the cultural differences. In fact in South Africa certain people won't even date outside there religious group. So would this make them racist ? I have dated across the racial line but I have friends who won't, so my question is "is it racist to if you say you won't date outside your group"

That's an impressive analysis of the DA series for someone who doesn't like it, I shudder to think how much you know about games that you actually like. You are clearly a masochist to put yourself through so much intentional anguish

I thought you didn't like Romance options in RPG? Why the outrage?

I don't see it like that at all, I see a successful company that is mature enough and appreciative enough of its fans that when they realize they made a mistake they apologize and rectify it. What more do you expect Monte? Hubris is never an admirable quality in software companies, well done GOG for showing humility

This is a tough one, my predictions Switz vs Argentina 1-1 ( penalty shootouts with Argentina winning) USA vs Belgium 2-1 Exciting games either way

I''m not familiar with this case but what does it mean when you say religious freedom? Are you saying the mandatory medical aid the company provides won't pay for abortions if there is a health risk or is this something else. Also what type of contraceptions are you talking about that they won't pay for? In South Africa every employee has to have medical aid but the debate is how much the company contributes. This varies from company to company. And obviously there are medical aid companies that are better than others but you have to go with the medical aid company the business uses unless you are on someone else's medical aid, like your wife or husband

Turn based? Nah, I don't mind TB. I just wasn't "getting it" in the first battle. It took me a few seconds to realize that each party member can perform multiple actions per turn until they run out of action points. Just n00b error is all. Also, is there any way to memorize the scrolls you find? I only saw; use, drop, destroy. Gfted1 are you sure you were playing the English version of the game? I can imagine if you were playing, for example, the Flemish version it would have been confusing on a number of levels .....

Uh.... you understand it is impossible for them to break even right? They didn't fund the game, it was done through donations. Even if it flops and only sells 5 copies they still lost nothing. All they need is one copy to sell post release and they have made profit. Also... it is going to sell plenty of copies. No my friend the reality is that Obsidian really does need to generate revenue through new sales of PoE because end of the day they are a business that needs show a healthy net profit in order to be viable. No one goes into a private business with the intention of just breaking even. I'll keep it simple but lets say for example that Obsidian generates $ 100,000 from sales of PoE. This is not pure profit ( net profit ). From this they need to deduct indirect and direct costs. So from this you will deduct the following ( and this list is not comprehensive) Rent of business building Water and electricity All office costs like telephone and admin staff Advertising and Marketing Travel expenses Hardware and Software maintenance cost Overtime Taxes Then you need to incentivise the staff apart from there salaries, do they get bonuses based on percentage of sales? Do they get a fixed lump sum or a 13th check? And all this will come off the sales revenue I imagine the KS pledges are used to pay the salaries of staff members for the 2 years that the game takes to make because remember those developers don't generate revenue while they are working on the game but they still need to get paid there salaries or contracting fees. Of course none of us can say with complete certainty what the running costs of Obsidian are but one thing I can guarantee you is they have to generate decent sales figures or what would be the point of being in business or producing anymore PoE ?

How dare you !!! The promancer has moved away from documents, we now use tattoos to permanently mark our loyal followers. We are after all an evolving movement

No you absolutely can't and I don't think anyone is suggesting that. I'm in the same boat with W2, I didn't back the game but I will be buying the final released product

Welcome My view is that in life some things are unforgivable like....like.. avoiding paying taxes or forgetting your partners b-day, but pledging to support PoE? That's a good thing and most people will understand it PS : Always support discussions for Romance in the sequel to PoE because sadly there won't be Romance in this one

Wow, that really must have put the SK team in a sticky situation ....

Yeah, I'm going to be cautiously optimistic and say a year after release I also expect 1000k sales ( 1 million). I am basing this on your sales numbers for Legends of Grimrock which really is a niche game in the fantasy genre Of course this is very dependent on PoE being a good game and receiving favourable reviews from the prominent gaming websites

Has the mandatory "This game is misogynistic" review popped its head yet? Games are not considered misogynistic just because its a popular theme at the moment or because there is some sort of SJ conspiracy by gaming journalists. Why do think the game should be rated as misogynistic? Are there valid reasons for it, I can't see why anyone would suggest that considering the fact its a sniping game where you kill men and women Bruce, thanks to "whatever wave this is, feminism" and in particular to Anita; games as misogynistic is a foregone conclusion. Because that was the central argument of Tropes vs Women, which was not a documentary but a campaign. A documentary might have a theme but it ultimately sticks to what it can prove, just like science might have theories but they ultimately have to be backed by facts. A campaign promotes an idea, it fights for it and supports it, they don't stop because facts prove them wrong. I'm afraid that Anita is less of a scientist and more of a politician and since it was her videos which cemented the incursion of feminism into gaming, and now the majority of gaming media seems to support it with the same zeal she is my example as to why the whole argument is boogers. You can infer intent from an artist's statement but saying that the Mona Lisa is a LGTB friendly painting because it was DaVinci in drag is not only a stretch, but it politicizes the painting. In my mind politics are the dirtiest of human inventions, when you bring them into art (which is about beauty) you're soiling that beauty. If games are art then all that feminism has accomplished is to dirty them. The fact is that a game needs not be really misogynistic it only needs to be that way in order to suit the reviewer's agenda of promoting equality and it helps if its not a major release from one of the publishers who own the gaming press. They get to keep their feminist cred and don't lose their position because they gave a bad review. Okay I see what you saying. I know we have discussed this before but I don't think Anita represents the Feminist movement in its entirety. Her movement is influential and vociferous but not all feminists agree with her on all topics, for example I'm a feminist but I don't agree with some her campaigns That same view would apply to gaming websites and gaming journalists. For example if you take RPS which I consider a good benchmark for raising valid concerns around SJ issues, I know most of you guys don't , they have a review on this game and there is absolutely no mention of misogyny at all http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2014/06/30/sniper-elite-3-review/#more-216823 So I wouldn't worry too much about this game being painted with the misogyny brush by any serious gaming reviewers

This is a valid concern and hopefully unfounded If PoE only attracts the KS fans and other people who have basically already bought the game through other pledging systems then you are right. It would be a financial disaster for Obsidian because there profit would be almost nothing and the whole IP around this new fantasy world would die an early and unfortunate death Buts that's highly unlikely as mentioned by others. The Obsidian marketing engine is alive and well and there is loads of awareness around PoE. So the real revenue generation will come from new purchases of the game when its released. Despite the fact its a "niche " game many people who love fantasy RPG will buy this game. I am confident about the sustained future of PoE But lets be clear, despite what some people think of course Obsidian wants to make decent revenue on new sales. This is in fact mandatory. Why wouldn't any company not want to do that?