BruceVC

Okay count me So lets just go over the overall structure of the bet one more time so everyone is clear. If PoE is released by the end of 2014 them Prime wins and he is entitled to one game on Steam ( or another distribution system like GOG) for less than $30. Also a public statement on these forums acknowledging this is expected But if PoE slips this release date then Gnostic wins and exact same conditions apply. Is that right?

Funny thing is I just added this game to my game list about 10 minutes ago, so it does work. I initially had a problem, try logging onto Steam again Barti?

Grammar police anyone?

Yes BruceVC, can I interest you with SimCity 4 Deluxe Edition which cost $19.99 on GOG now? As it is on GOG you need not worry the Origin **** up ever Thanks for the offer but I am a little confused what I would be agreeing to. I do think that PoE will be released on schedule. So who am I taking the bet with? Oh I also don't mind Origin so no issues there

Funny how Sarex is the common link in both discussions, tells you something about his debating etiquette

But then it doesn't work like that does it, and I already explained it, but you are being intentionally daft to confuse the topic. Well I'll explain it again, devs have salaries, they are paid by the hour, part of the money made from the game goes in to covering the cost of the next game the rest of it goes to the CEO to do with what he will... wait no scratch that, all the money goes to the CEO and he decides what he is going to do with it. At least that is the case with big companies which I already said I was talking about. Wow Sarex, you really don't understand the structures of your typical business do you? You seem to think that all companies have to worry about when calculating if a product is profitable is : Sales - salaries of Devs- CEO Salary - " cost of next game " Almost every single company in the world wants not just to cover expenses but to be profitable, but before they can determine profitability there are long list of expenses that could include Salaries of developers Salaries of non-developers which would be admin staff Rent of property or bond payments Insurance of all office equipment Software and hardware maintenance Bonuses Overtime Office expenses such as phone lines Marketing costs Travel costs Distribution costs All these factors come off the total sales so course Obsidian has to not only cover all these expenses but also show good net profit so they reinvest in staff and grow the business

I would strongly prefer a symmetrical arrangement. How about both of us buys BruceVC a $15 game now, and he buys the winner a $30 one when the wager is decided, assuming he agrees? Then we can all gloat/sulk about it together. I agree BruceVC will you take it up? It is not like you get the prize right away, your anticipation is if you get the prize for free or not. The truth is I do agree with Prime that the game will be released on schedule. So someone else needs to take the bet

You're welcome, though I think I need to mention here that I've never been a member in a gym in my life, I hate gyms, though I know what you mean. Oh, do you do your weight training at home?

Thanks Woldan, I was hoping you would respond because I know you are informed when it comes to anything gym related

So I have been at gym every day for the last 8 days with no break. I normally go 4-5 times a week, I know its best to take a break. So my question for those that go to gym is how long do you train consistently before taking a break and resting your body?

I am about to play Legends of Grimrock, I have even bought a graph map book so I can make my own maps of each level, like I use to do when I use to DM in AD&D. Cool, be sure to keep us posted! I just went with the automap (and the default party) as knowing my drawing skills I'd have gotten lost 4 steps out of the starting room Oh wait, I didn't realize there was an automap. I only bought the graph book because I was under the impression there was no proper map. How is the automap, do you think if I use my own map it will be advantageous or rather use the automap ( I am also lacking in drawing skills )

I am about to play Legends of Grimrock, I have even bought a graph map book so I can make my own maps of each level, like I use to do when I use to DM in AD&D.

Malc you have to admit its always better playing an RPG where you can explore the various Romance arcs? Nope he doesn't. Planescape: Torment Arcanum of Steampunk and Magik Obscura Vampire: Bloodlines To name a few. An engaging story does not need active romantic pursuits for the protagonist to engage in. Romance does not make writing engaging or good just by being present. Good writing is what makes writing good. Ideally, if the romantic arcs were well written and did not take away resources from other aspects of the game, then, if they weren't forced down people's throats, one could make an argument that it is always better to have more options. But it is not better to play a game with crap on the side just for having crap on the side over one that doesn't have that. After all, most of us here enjoy a good steak, none of us though would ask for the cow to crap next to the plate. (yeah I know, terrible analogy. Just pretend it was said by Al Pacino or someone else who can get away with saying anything in a movie.) I didn't explain my point properly. I'm not saying you have to have Romance to have an engaging RPG ( but I do think it enhances and makes party interaction more significant ) I am saying if an RPG offers optional Romance its better to partake of them than to ignore them

I would strongly prefer a symmetrical arrangement. How about both of us buys BruceVC a $15 game now, and he buys the winner a $30 one when the wager is decided, assuming he agrees? Then we can all gloat/sulk about it together. I like that idea in principle, its offers a reasonable compromise The only criticism I have is the most fun of a bet is the anticipation of waiting to see the results and who wins. The excitement would be diminished if you give any prize away before the end result?

Well it is about half a year later so I don't know if I can remember to check it by then. That's why I want to buy you games first so you will not go all around the place claiming that I am a deal breaker in the event that I lost. Can we do it this way? I gift you $15 worth of games first, if either one of us forgot about this wager when the result is determined then you are off the hook. My memory is not as good when I am younger so tell me what games you prefer by Saturday? Don't worry Gnostic, this bet is very fascinating. You can be assured that I'll remind you about the conditions of the bet. I've got your back

Malc you have to admit its always better playing an RPG where you can explore the various Romance arcs?

Nobody has suggested a TV series is critical or relevant to people. I was giving one reason why some people do it due to content being pulled. If anything, it's had the opposite effect with pulling content. And it appears HBO don't care. What I would like to see is content available on different platforms like it used to be which would cut down on piracy. Not the opposite with pulling content and encouraging people to 'acquire' the episodes through other avenues. What this does is then encourage people to 'acquire' other TV shows and those networks would have an issue with this. Just because HBO doesn't seem to care, doesn't mean other networks don't care either. And this creates a culture which is what we're seeing in Australia with terms like 'the national pastime'. That's not good when you're changing the social landscape of a country. We're one of the smallest countries in the world with a population of 23 million and yet we're on the top of nearly every list of downloaders in the world. You're taking people from how they used to watch TV shows a decade ago to a new paradigm on how they watch TV shows today. Fair enough, I see what you saying. You make some good points around the consequences of content being pulled. I must say it is interesting to see HBO view on Pirating.

? Is this supposed to mean justification to steal, merely because not to have it affects the person negatively? That's never justified ~not even for heart pills... but with heart pills at least it's a lot easier to forgive... though the person should still have to pay for them somehow. No of course you are right, I was just joking and using an example to demonstrate how TV series are not really relevant or critical to a persons life

You can roleplay a morbidly obese assassin that passes every stealth check, sneaking while saying "te hee". You don't find that appealing? Good point

I don't know Hurlshot, what if you went to work the next day and the headmaster called you into his office and asked " have you watched the latest Game of Thrones episode " and you said "no" What if he fired you immediately in anger for lack of Game of Thrones commitment. Without a job and revenue steam this would impact your family and I would assume dramatically effect your life?

Which threads need to be locked quicker in your opinion, this type of thread or threads that highlight the importance of Romance in RPG ?

For me Its always good news when a company generates impressive revenue through sales of games. It bodes well for future games and development and that suits us all

No way, that practice is basic human survival, sometimes the only way to get through the day. I pretty much have to ignore my hairline these days, or else I'll sink to the floor whimpering in remorse, but at least I enjoy a slim waist and strong hands. Or maybe I'm not understanding the analogy. You right of course, people do generally ignore the bad and focus on what's good from an overall confidence perspective

I do, sadly. I hope this Orlesian ball will be a good opportunity for my rogue to use some stealth and pick-pocketing ...oh wait, I'm going to be the head of a major organization, stealing stuff wouldn't make much sense. Meh. That's what I always hated about RPGs. That they are trying to appeal to the kleptomaniac crowd? That they are not appealing to us kleptomaniacs enough. By the way, is pick-pocketing in DA:I? I always find it interesting how people typically adopt a certain playing style in RPG, like stealth or hard core fighters. For me I prefer a wizard or sorcerer who holds back but casts devastating spells. I have never found the appeal to stealth but I know many people enjoy it

My comment was funny hey Malc Maybe you can then explain to me what Gfted1 meant when he said "Every thread must be dragged down" Dragged down by what exactly ? Dragged down by your insistence to see bogeymen everywhere and as evidenced by Keyrock and others reactions. Perhaps you can just make one thread, maybe in Way Off Topics, where you contain all of your issues with the world in one place instead of dragging every other thread into it? You don't have to of course, this is just me talking to you without my mod hat on, but it would be considerate to other posters and I know you live and breathe for that. I appreciate you giving your personal opinion on topics, I have often defended the fact that I like the way the Mods on this forum get involved in discussions but obviously if you have to do your job as a Mod you do it. And I know you don't take my criticism of some of your comments personally, I know I don't when you criticize me A couple of points in response. The last serious discussion we had on SJ issues was probably 2 weeks ago in the female gamers thread. And this thread was closed down which I feel was a mistake. So its a gross exaggeration to say " every discussion gets dragged down by SJ issues" This is simply hyperbole and not true Also I'm sure you noticed I'm not the only one who enjoys discussion on SJ issues. There are several people who chose to comment on this particular issue. I am sorry Keyrock has been inconvenienced by our discussion but once again these discussion are not frequent, people just think they I think its an excellent idea to start a dedicated thread on SJ issues, I was going to start one but I was just waiting for a worthwhile topic Finally in respect to this particular debate I only raised the issue of the Watch Dogs video because Malc posted a Kotaku link. I did not start the discussion but surely you can't expect people to not comment when someone posts an interesting or controversial link? I thought that was the purpose of a forum?