Darth Kavar

"Kreia was a refreshing blow of air in contrast to that hideous woman Bastila." Well it depends on what turns you on j/k Honestly Kreia was the most hated by me character (acctually not her but the way they fixed everything around her in K2) but I ain't gonna ramble about her anymore cuz I've done it in too many threads.

Oh yes I know that there are other ways of playing a DS character but most of them just won't work as you wish. "I played through the game as a lying..." <- it's you who's been lied to and for saying sth nice you get LS pts, lie or not ", stealing manipulating son of a bitch" -> oh yes -> Anyways... Hey maybe that's just my opinion but playing a DS manipulator in K2 is just like trying to play basketball in FIFA 2005 -> you can try but it just won't look like what you planned in the first place.

"K2 had the better storyline IMO" -> oh yes it did but after rebuilt enclave it sucked. "K2 had the more interesting party NPCs IMO" -> everybody had a disturbing past, Kreia was so interesting that they made you the 2nd most important char in the game. Almost everyone except for T3, Bao and Visas was like "in reality it is I who am the master!". "K2 had a more mature storyline IMO" -> oh yes but the dialog options for the Exile are a great counterattack to that maturity (sp?) not to mention his [sarcasm]mature[/sarcasm] decisions throughout the game which are forced upon you. You're pretty much right but in my opinion on the other hand every good thing about K2 has it's depressing attachment.

Well the Exile is planned as a LS character all along. There's so many ways to play LS but only one DS. LS SW characters ussually get kicked and stuff but end up victorious. You cannot be a DS 'the day when someone doesn't pay for hurting me is the day I die' character. The only way to play DS is a whiner/kill-all-in-my-path,they're-all-jealous-of-my-power Anakin style character. So I say LS cuz it just doesn't fit when I'm a darksider and am forced to let all those arrogant people on my ship say what they want and enjoy the ride.

Oh and I know this is gonna sound a little whiny and stuff but as for storyline -> why K2 wasn't so good? -> 1 word - Kreia. There's thousands of occasions on which you can say sth that'd make her feel extremely stupid yet the only thing you can say is "and what would you do?" "and what do you think is right?" and later "I understand" or "I'll kill you if you lecture me again". So to make Kreia great they made the exile stupid and please - who likes to play a dumbass? In K1 you could be and everyone who pissed you off could pay a terrible price for it. Yet in K2 you were Most of the people who annoyed you or hurt you end up laughing and unharmed.

Ehm... IMO there was no DS ending there was just another LS ending but with DS dialog options.

I agree that K1 had better graphics -> just look at the sky in Dantooine in K1 and then in K2. Look at Taris, then at Nar Shaddaa, look at Kashyyk - then at Dxun. Just too many examples of where in K1 I just stood and marvelled at the sights, the beauty of the enviroment of the SW worlds -> and that was on MEDIUM QUALITY graphics setting!!!! In K2 I just couldn't look at medium so I turned it on high but still it's... uhh when I see a blue sky in an only half-year old game have like only 5 variations of blue - (the gradient (?) or how's it called then) I really wish I could extract those textures and make them better even with my average graphic abilities.

Well I think that most people don't think that K2 sucked. It's just that in some parts of the game you really get depressed. It's just like watching a great movie and there comes suddenly a stupid moment which ruins almost everything. Like how would you feel if in the Matrix II Neo and Smith fight, suddenly stop and in comes a giant pink bunny who kicks everyone's ass and leaves no one alive. That's how I felt about K2.

Wookies just aren't force sensitive There's only 3 jedi in your party in K1. OK -> 4 if you count yourself aswell. In the second Kotor you don't have to train anyone to become a Jedi. If you think there's too many jedi then leave only Visas and Kreia (the ones who start as Jedi). So you got 2 plus yourself only as Jedi and the rest as warriors/mechanics

Well on Nar Shaddaa you don't have to kill almost anyone until you meet the Red Eclipse. In the refugee camp you only have to kill 2 of the guards at the door if you want to complete the Lootra quest on LS. Yeah in Dantooine it's all Laigreks and Kinrath but I think Azkul and Gerevick must die no matter what plus the Mercenaries guarding Vrook (ok not if you ship him to Nar Shaddaa ).

I played a neutral character in K2 and the only thing I didn't like about it was that I didn't get a prestige class. I was like 5% lightside when I got Visas - it was after I've taken the gland from the guy in the cave at Dantooine. You don't have to be a one-time-puppy-savior/the-other-time-puppy-killer - I thought my character to be one who does most of the stuff for the good of the Republic and thinks what he does is mostly right plus is willing to sacrifice as many ppl as needed for a good reason. -> that's how I played it and I even liked it better than my DS playthru and my recent LS game. Oh and I was rather weak in combat that time cuz I invested alot in charisma and Persuade. I was a Jedi Sentinel BTW and the game ending was LS so no Jedi Master killed by me.

I first didn't expect any manipulation from Kreia since I renember seing something like this in the internet: "Kreia was always like (...) and I first thought she was a sith spy" so I though ok when "first" he/she thought that then it musn't be anything near it. I renember seeing Nihilus the first time and thought that he was some other race (the shape of his hood is just like there would be a Twilek's head inside it). I knew you're gonna fight Atris but I thought that she'd be the last character to fight in a DS game. Then again I've gotten into a few spoilers and heard of Traya and Sion. So I thought that you're gonna fight them both in the end together. Next when I saw prestige classes I thought that you either side with the Jedi or the Sith and get either Atris or some darksider (who later I thought was Hanharr). I thought you'd get Mira on Dxun. Mandalore in Iziz. G0T0 I thought was a temp character like 3CFD and a protocol droid. Bao at Nar-Shaddaa. When I saw a shot of Nihilus and the player fight I didn't notice he was like 2.30 meters and later a shot of Nihil at the docks on Telos (or was it just my imagination) so I said "he'll/she be a Sith Assasin type".

OK the first one's because of lack of new dialog when B4D4 comes to one apartment. 2nd -> something I wanted to ask all of you a long time ago - who the hell is Falt??

Here's a few others: - the first one's a bug probably cuz some mercenaries are set to my allies and are fighting the other mercenaries lol - the second and third ones show that the lab station is there acctually at the ebon hawk but only at the time of the Red Eclipse Attack - the fourth -> notice that the Battle Circle Mandalorians are lightside! (w00t) - the 5th well... I don't think I have to explain this one :D

I found a hell lot of funny/weird-funny things every playthrough and I've decided to make screenshots of them on my last LS game. Here's the first one (I'll keep posting them -> just gotta find them in all those like hundred screenshots): On Telos (it happened to many ppl or so I heard) when Grenn tries to leave the room but it closes shortly before that. It got even more funny when Moza tried to enter the room and Grenn tried to leave. Grenn left but Moza remained outside. EDIT: The second one is something really funny. If you look closely... :D

Well I renember that this is the problem with K2 and items -> in K1 the best items you could get were those you could buy. But in K2 money aint worth that much cuz the best items are the ones you find, not the ones you buy. Sux cuz makes credits kinda useless. Except for ultra-LSers where money helps many times when you gotta pay someones taxes etc. BTW the merchants really suck. They ussually don't have anything better than what you already have in your inventory and the extreme amounts of Load-Game today have been somewhat frustrating (cuz every like 10 tries the loot-generator picks something nice for you).

Anyone else encountered this? I've just installed the patch cuz I'm planning on playing K2 in half a week or so but I'll rather reinstall the game and play it without the patch if the bug above occurs always. I didn't encounter any major or disturbing bugs (like 2 heads on a character which ppl posted ) so I consider myself lucky with the current hardware and graphic drivers I have (which I think is the main reason why I didn't get as many bugs as most of the ppl here do). So I'd rather risk playing K2 without the patch and making Big Saves every planet, Checkpoint saves every map and smaller saves than playing normally but ending up stuck anyway - there's nothing worse than a bug which makes the game unwinnable.

I've said it once but I'm gonna repeat it: I (me sitting in front of my screen) didn't hate Vrook. Just like Atris. I didn't hate her. It's my in-game character that hates him/her. It's a roleplaying game - once I'm a lighsider who would use his last medpack on a hurt ant and once I'm a darksider who likes to slaughter babies. I like that they put Vrook into the game. Games need such characters which 'we hate'. So yes he was a good character.

Considering that we won't have a choice whether Exile was LS/DS cuz Malachor can't be a variable whether exists/doesn't-exist I think one of the Masters could stand up with a "you gotta do better than that old b*tch" Or one of the Masters from K1 (not Vandar cuz he obviously dies if Revan's DS). Trask comming back would be cool :D - was beaten by Bandon in battle but somehow survived (maybe give him only one hand cuz the other was cut-off by Bandon) and escaped the Endar Spire (hey somehow Bandon must have escaped so why not Trask secretly in his baggage (w00t) ). Vrook? No way! I want to have the sattisfaction of his death always when I play K2 even after K3 comes out

Heh that would be worse than when I was playing Super-Lightside in K1 the first time and realised I was Revan.

On Nar Shaddaa Refugee: "PLeeeeeeze" (after refusing him cash) Exile: "Get the **ck outta my way." Kreia: (telepathically)"Why did you do such a thing? Giving in to your feelings over such a small matter. They would be better served elsewhere." Exile: "For once keep the friggin channel clear will ya??"

According to the SW universe it's rather easy considering Mission,Han,the Exile,Revan and a whole bunch of other ppl can understand it. Though they can't speak it.

In K1 there were not adjustments for Universal Powers but in K2 for LS aswell as for DS chars you get penalties for using Universal Powers.

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I was talking about the "Indeed? It is strange that I have not." and she even sez it to her apprentice K2 spoiler: :ph34r: