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Belgium, Hawaii to ban, regulate in-game loot boxes as gambling


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Edited by ktchong, 22 November 2017 - 08:42 AM.


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L0L Nazis will Nazi.

 

If people want to gamble let them. Their money their lives their choice.

 

 

It is all about power, control, and slavery.



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L0L Nazis will Nazi.

 

If people want to gamble let them. Their money their lives their choice.

 

 

It is all about power, control, and slavery.

 

Except video games are targeted at children.  The minds of children are not fully developed, and they lack self-control.  Which is why EA and other video game companies are  targeting children for exploitation and predatory business practices: children are easy targets.     EA and video games company were stupid to think they could get away with targeting children with predatory business practices.

 

FYI, while adults are allowed to gamble, children are banned from gambling in every country, every civilization, all over the world.


Edited by ktchong, 22 November 2017 - 09:03 AM.

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I hate political and authority forced and intervened onto gaming. But EA predatory practices where making people pay micro-transactions for progressions are really over the boiling point. Micro-transactions should only be allowed for free to play games and for cosmetic purposes not pay to win or pay to progress. Gamers should unite to boycott such unethical practices!


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I'm surprised the US hasn't done anything to double down on it just to be contrary to Europe


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Belgium has not announced it will ban lootboxes. One person involved in the investigation opined that this would be the case, but the investigation simply isn't that far along yet.



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"Except video games are targeted at children.  The minds of children are not fully developed, and they lack self-control.  Which is why EA and other video game companies are  targeting children for exploitation and predatory business practices: children are easy targets.     EA and video games company were stupid to think they could get away with targeting children with predatory business practices.

 

FYI, while adults are allowed to gamble, children are banned from gambling in every country, every civilization, all over the world."

 

EPIC FAIL.

 

Children don't have money. The parents are the targets. The parents are the ones who are choosing to gamble their money. Not the children. So, stop making nonsense up.

 

But, hey, keep defending Nazism and using the 'ol 'what bout the childs' silliness.

 

Again, ON REPEAT, children do not have money so they cannot be targets of 'gambling'. The parents - who are adults - are.



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L0L Nazis will Nazi.
 
If people want to gamble let them. Their money their lives their choice.
 
 
It is all about power, control, and slavery.


Came here to see this post.
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Children have more money than you can imagine.

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Hah! Brought this on yourself, game industry. Self-regulate before the government does it for you - you used to know this lesson.
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This is pretty dumb. I don't like them, but they aren't any different than those contests on cereal boxes, or those sticker machines in every grocery store in the US. You spend money, you get something. It may not be what you wanted, but that doesn't make it gambling. 



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L0L Nazis will Nazi.

 

If people want to gamble let them. Their money their lives their choice.

 

 

It is all about power, control, and slavery.

This post actually reeks of Nietzsche (cited at the start of BG1, for instance), ironically a philosopher who Nazis twisted as to fit their own world view, ultimately misunderstanding and misinterpreting a number of his major arguments in so doing. 


Edited by IndiraLightfoot, 22 November 2017 - 01:42 PM.

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This is pretty dumb. I don't like them, but they aren't any different than those contests on cereal boxes, or those sticker machines in every grocery store in the US. You spend money, you get something. It may not be what you wanted, but that doesn't make it gambling. 

 

Actually, those things are gambling. They just fall under non-regulated gambling. As far as I'm aware, anyway. Not sure how it works everywhere. I'd compare it more to, say, booster packs for a TCG.

 

That being said, most of those are non-regulated because they generally offer things of equal value (ignoring emotional value, anyway) and loot boxes often don't. Even booster packs generally have set rules of "will contain so and so amount of cards of this, this and this predetermined value mode like common or rare". Loot boxes generally do not. It's more like you pay some and get some but really are gambling on a higher value payout. Besides that, other key differences are that most games also offer the same boxes as rewards for skill or gametime, meaning that it's possible not to pay at all, and the contents of a reward pack (booster pack, blind collectible toys) is not pre-determined before purchase but randomly generated at the moment of purchase.

 

Varies per game, naturally, and these things are certainly not all arguments to classify it as illegal gambling. But Battlefront in particular certainly took it far enough to examine that question, especially with their connection progression based competition and famous IPs like Star Wars.



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Some countries have laws about gambling and hazard. Like age restriction, area limit, taxing, license. If you want sell casino platform, that is probably legal, all rules applied.

 

There are a lot of gray areas when gambling is or isnt: Kinder Suprise Eggs, Claw Mashine. Collectable Card Games. Draft King. 

The logic seems to be "Nobody really thought  about it so far". But if you can sneak in gambling as not a gaming, you can win a lot.

Regulations are generally to undermine human entrepreneurship, no asbestos, no marketing to kids, no synthetic playground cover, no slavery.

This is why we cant have nice things.

 

The worst thing to happen is: Overwatch will no longer have that sweet, sweet, lootboxes, instead you just get coins coins after match and buy item from shop like some weird animal in Splatoon. That is outrageaoius!


Edited by evilcat, 22 November 2017 - 02:15 PM.


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Comparing prizes in a cereal boxes to actual gambling is rather stretching it. People are gonna buy cereal to eat. the 'prize' is just something tossed in. You aren't PAYINg for the prizes. There is no risk involved. Youa re getting what you paid for.



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In general, I don't side with government regulations of this sort of thing.

 

But I'll make an exception this time because it's EA, and those guys deserve every bad thing they get.


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You'd think Belgium had other stuff to take care of. Just look at what's going on in Brussels. It's like living in a hellhole.



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Hmm, the demographic results of a recent survey (in the US) does not support games being purchased primarily by children. Weird.

 

Take a look at the average American gamer in new survey findings.

 

But maybe most European players are minor children?
 



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Good. God bless both Hawaii and Belgium. I hope EA goes bankrupt.

 

You'd think Belgium had other stuff to take care of. Just look at what's going on in Brussels. It's like living in a hellhole.

 

Well, you know the old saying: If you hate immigrants then stop making them.


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L0L Nazis will Nazi.

 

If people want to gamble let them. Their money their lives their choice.

 

 

It is all about power, control, and slavery.

 

"First they came for the lootboxes, and I did not speak out-

because I hate microtransactions..."


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