Political Twelve Monkeys

[ShadySands]

I'm convinced we need another name for gun control as the current term has too many negative connotations, just like triggered. It needs to sound positive.

[smjjames]

The Dems had a good night but I'm afraid it may lead them to be too arrogant and complacent for the midterms. Already seeing some articles to that effect.

In other words they need to be careful not to get c0cky.

Edited November 8, 2017 by smjjames

[ShadySands]

I thought this was decent

 

7 takeaways from election day

[Guard Dog]

If history is any guide, the Republicans will continue f-----g up. The anti-establisment types will be mad they are not helping Trump, and the Trumpians will turn off the moderates. Meanwhile, no tax cuts, no Obamacare repeal, and people wonder why the hell they voted Republican in the first place. So in 2018 they stay home and the Democrats take over the Senate and maybe the House. Of course they will immediately go nuts and try to impeach Trump whether he deserves it or not and that will harden the political battle lines. So in 2020 Trump gets re-elected with at least half of congress being Democrat and they snipe at each other for four years until the Democrats take over everything in 2024. That will last two years until they have pissed off half the country with their liberty-hating big government spending orgy and the Republicans take back one of both houses in 2026. And on and on it goes. How do I know this? This cycle has been repeating itself for twenty five f-----g years now.

 

Democrat, Republican, Democrat, Republican, like spokes in a wheel. First one is on top, then the other and on and on it goes grinding the people of this country into the dirt. It's time to break the wheel! http://www.lp.org

[injurai]

I'm convinced we need another name for gun control as the current term has too many negative connotations, just like triggered. It needs to sound positive.

 

Except people are privy to newspeak, double talk, spin and euphemism.

[smjjames]

If history is any guide, the Republicans will continue f-----g up. The anti-establisment types will be mad they are not helping Trump, and the Trumpians will turn off the moderates. Meanwhile, no tax cuts, no Obamacare repeal, and people wonder why the hell they voted Republican in the first place. So in 2018 they stay home and the Democrats take over the Senate and maybe the House. Of course they will immediately go nuts and try to impeach Trump whether he deserves it or not and that will harden the political battle lines. So in 2020 Trump gets re-elected with at least half of congress being Democrat and they snipe at each other for four years until the Democrats take over everything in 2024. That will last two years until they have pissed off half the country with their liberty-hating big government spending orgy and the Republicans take back one of both houses in 2026. And on and on it goes. How do I know this? This cycle has been repeating itself for twenty five f-----g years now.

 

Democrat, Republican, Democrat, Republican, like spokes in a wheel. First one is on top, then the other and on and on it goes grinding the people of this country into the dirt. It's time to break the wheel! http://www.lp.org

Have you looked at their Senate electoral map for 2018? Five Democrats are in solid Trump/Republican states, just maintaining status quo would be considered a victory. An unlikely but not impossible victory in Alabama will help a little.

 

It's true that the cycle of the party not in the WH gaining ground will continue, but they're at a big disadvantage. And the cycle has actually been going on for much longer than 25 years, it's one of the few near absolute constants in US politics.

Edited November 8, 2017 by smjjames

[Zoraptor]

I'm convinced we need another name for gun control as the current term has too many negative connotations, just like triggered. It needs to sound positive.

 

The gun control movement can rename itself 'pro life', as they don't want any more deaths from gun violence.

Then the NRA types can become the 'pro choice' movement, as they want people to be able to choose for themselves whether to own firearms.

[BruceVC]

If history is any guide, the Republicans will continue f-----g up. The anti-establisment types will be mad they are not helping Trump, and the Trumpians will turn off the moderates. Meanwhile, no tax cuts, no Obamacare repeal, and people wonder why the hell they voted Republican in the first place. So in 2018 they stay home and the Democrats take over the Senate and maybe the House. Of course they will immediately go nuts and try to impeach Trump whether he deserves it or not and that will harden the political battle lines. So in 2020 Trump gets re-elected with at least half of congress being Democrat and they snipe at each other for four years until the Democrats take over everything in 2024. That will last two years until they have pissed off half the country with their liberty-hating big government spending orgy and the Republicans take back one of both houses in 2026. And on and on it goes. How do I know this? This cycle has been repeating itself for twenty five f-----g years now.

 

Democrat, Republican, Democrat, Republican, like spokes in a wheel. First one is on top, then the other and on and on it goes grinding the people of this country into the dirt. It's time to break the wheel! http://www.lp.org

GD  you know Im a Democrat supporter but I am concerned with the lack of prominent Democrats who have a sustainable and constructive vision for the party and the USA

 

At the moment it seems the Democrats live and respond only to what Trump says or doesn't say ....I dont see or feel  real inspiration like I felt for Obama

 

The Democrats need to focus more on there own narrative of why people should vote for them and focus less on  Trumps fairly regular vacuous or controversial comments 

[smjjames]

 

If history is any guide, the Republicans will continue f-----g up. The anti-establisment types will be mad they are not helping Trump, and the Trumpians will turn off the moderates. Meanwhile, no tax cuts, no Obamacare repeal, and people wonder why the hell they voted Republican in the first place. So in 2018 they stay home and the Democrats take over the Senate and maybe the House. Of course they will immediately go nuts and try to impeach Trump whether he deserves it or not and that will harden the political battle lines. So in 2020 Trump gets re-elected with at least half of congress being Democrat and they snipe at each other for four years until the Democrats take over everything in 2024. That will last two years until they have pissed off half the country with their liberty-hating big government spending orgy and the Republicans take back one of both houses in 2026. And on and on it goes. How do I know this? This cycle has been repeating itself for twenty five f-----g years now.

 

Democrat, Republican, Democrat, Republican, like spokes in a wheel. First one is on top, then the other and on and on it goes grinding the people of this country into the dirt. It's time to break the wheel! http://www.lp.org

 

GD  you know Im a Democrat supporter but I am concerned with the lack of prominent Democrats who have a sustainable and constructive vision for the party and the USA

 

At the moment it seems the Democrats live and respond only to what Trump says or doesn't say ....I dont see or feel  real inspiration like I felt for Obama

 

The Democrats need to focus more on there own narrative of why people should vote for them and focus less on  Trumps fairly regular vacuous or controversial comments

The Dems really do have a leadership problem, the Clintons are done, Obama is staying in the background mainly because he'd annoy Trump and anything he does is instant foil for Trump, though he's doing what he can from the background. There are leaders in the sense of leading the minority party, but as you say, there's a lack of prominent voices like in the way some longtime senators in the past have been. Or rather, right now, there's a lot of popular voices trying to fill the vacuum.

 

The Republicans are having a similar crisis in that they lack the same kind of prominent leader, except that while there are prominent Republicans, Trumps election has sent the whole thing into array. Usually the President leads the party, but they are now finding that they don't really have a backup leader (unless you count Reagan, who's dead).

 

Both parties are going through similar crisises of identity.

[injurai]

I think Obama is staying away because if he said anything that wasn't challenging the dems, it would be construed as spin narrative against the conservatives. They'd drag his word through the mud again. Obama wants his legacy to remain in his campaign when he commanded, now that his power has passed it doesn't make sense for him to way in. It'd be consolation chirps at that point, unbecoming of his former gravity.

 

What Obama wants is his legacy to remain encapsulated so that it can be revived and continued the next time a democrat is in office. It's the Dems in congress's job after all to challenge or strike bipartisan with the GOP.

[Hurlshort]

Pretty interesting race to upset an incumbent in Virginia.

 

Bathroom bills are dumb.

[Elerond]

I'm convinced we need another name for gun control as the current term has too many negative connotations, just like triggered. It needs to sound positive.

 

Just name it responsible gun owner act and market it so that it looks cool to be person who takes responsibility of their actions.

[Hurlshort]

Most forms in the US let you decline to answer questions on gender and race.

[Chilloutman]

 

Most forms in the US let you decline to answer questions on gender and race.

 

Forms like passports or IDs?

 

 

They don't have IDs, only driver licence IIRC

[ShadySands]

And licences and IDs are controlled and issued by the individual states. So there can be some variance there.

Edited November 8, 2017 by ShadySands

[Zoraptor]

 

 

Most forms in the US let you decline to answer questions on gender and race.

 

Forms like passports or IDs?

 

 

They don't have IDs, only driver licence IIRC

 

 

Yeah, so far as I am aware no anglo country has compulsory ID cards, only voluntary ones like passports or driving licenses. It's a bit of a cultural hangover, even in somewhere as 1984esque as the UK there was a colossal stink when they tried to bring in compulsory IDs.

[smjjames]

Um, drivers licenses? Pretty sure those are compulsory if you want to drive a car, legally anyway.

[Hurlshort]

Um, drivers licenses? Pretty sure those are compulsory if you want to drive a car, legally anyway.

 

Driving a car is not compulsory though. 

[Pidesco]

Here's something interesting I found on Twitter about the Virginia election:

 

"Gillespie got more votes last night (1,172,533) than McDonnell got in his sweeping 2009 landslide (1,163,523).

The Dem vote grew from 818,909 to 1,405,007."

 

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/928325767301353474

[Guard Dog]

It makes sense for Virginia to turn blue. Over the past 15 years there is one industry in this country that has enjoyed unparalleled growth and expansion. The majority of the people who work in it want that to continue and the Democrats are this industry's greatest champion and proponent. The industry is located right between Maryland and Virginia and almost all of it's employees live in one state or the other..

 

I don't think anyone needs to have is spelled out just what industry I'm talking about here.

[ShadySands]

Democrats upped their margins in Northern Virginia and formerly swing suburban counties. Meanwhile, Democrats continued their slide in rural, western Virginia.

 

Dave Wasserman ✔@Redistrict

A drop of rain on Dems' parade: 2017 was 1st year in modern history a VA Dem gubernatorial nominee failed to carry a single precinct west of Redford. 

 

Buchanan Co.'s Fox precinct, an old UMWA stronghold, was final Dem outpost to fall: it went Gillespie, 53 votes to 47 votes.

10:27 PM - Nov 7, 2017

 

From the article I linked the other day Edited November 9, 2017 by ShadySands

[Agiel]

Somehow I think Trump has an even more contemptuous attitude towards provincials than Bill Hicks, though likely couched more in his own overly-inflated sense of self-worth:

 

 

[ShadySands]

John Boehner's perspective

 

Boehner worries about the deepening fissures in American society. But he sees Trump as more of a symptom than the cause of what is a longer arc of social and ideological alienation, fueled by talk radio and Fox News on the right and MSNBC and social media on the left. “People thought in ’09, ’10, ’11, that the country couldn’t be divided more. And you go back to Obama’s campaign in 2008, you know, he was talking about the divide and healing the country and all of that. And some would argue on the right that he did more to divide the country than to unite it. I kind of reject that notion.” Why is that? “Because it wasn’t him!” Boehner replies. “It was modern-day media, and social media, that kept pushing people further right and further left. People started to figure out … they could choose where to get their news. And so what do people do? They choose places they agree with, reinforcing the divide.”

[smjjames]

 

Democrats upped their margins in Northern Virginia and formerly swing suburban counties. Meanwhile, Democrats continued their slide in rural, western Virginia. 

Dave Wasserman ✔@RedistrictA drop of rain on Dems' parade: 2017 was 1st year in modern history a VA Dem gubernatorial nominee failed to carry a single precinct west of Redford.  Buchanan Co.'s Fox precinct, an old UMWA stronghold, was final Dem outpost to fall: it went Gillespie, 53 votes to 47 votes.10:27 PM - Nov 7, 2017

From the article I linked the other day

Continuing to slide in the rural areas isn't good news for the Dems going forward. We'll have to see how the trend goes in the midterms a year from now.

[Bartimaeus]

It makes sense for Virginia to turn blue. Over the past 15 years there is one industry in this country that has enjoyed unparalleled growth and expansion. The majority of the people who work in it want that to continue and the Democrats are this industry's greatest champion and proponent. The industry is located right between Maryland and Virginia and almost all of it's employees live in one state or the other..

 

I don't think anyone needs to have is spelled out just what industry I'm talking about here.

 

five guys burgers?