Political Twelve Monkeys

[Guard Dog]

Taxation of any kind is theft. Legalized, maybe even necessary but still theft. You are taking away money from the people who earned it for the greater benefit of people who didn't. If we can't get around it as a method of funding the government there are surely things we can do to make it more fair. If I left my children a multi-million dollar estate that I worked my whole life to build, earned the money that built it, paid taxes on the income and on the real assets all along the way what standing does anyone have to come in and say it's not all mine to dispose as I please? This notion I'm hearing "you don't need that much money", who are you to say that? You don't know them. Its a notion rooted in the same base emotion that drives the appeal of collectivists economics: envy. Tom has something that **** and Harry don't and it's.... not.... FAIR! So **** & Harry elect a government that will take away what Tom has.

 

It amazes me that people will overlook the worst kind of abuses of power, corruption, and intrusions on their life and property from their governments. They gladly hand their children over to fight in wars that were never declared but never end. They pay more than half of the money they earned  and "rent" the house they own and the car they bought to a government that only demands more and all because we think there is no other way to build our roads and secure our defense.

[213374U]

This notion I'm hearing "you don't need that much money", who are you to say that? You don't know them. Its a notion rooted in the same base emotion that drives the appeal of collectivists economics: envy. Tom has something that **** and Harry don't and it's.... not.... FAIR! So **** & Harry elect a government that will take away what Tom has.

Yeah. I can very much say that you don't need that much money, with 100% certainty. You may want it, you may feel entitled to it, you may even think you deserve it. But need? No, you don't need it, and the proof is hundreds of millions of your fellow countrymen survive with far less than that.

 

It's also unsurprising that it always comes down to assuming envy. You probably also assume laziness, right? Perhaps consider that, for others, material riches may not hold anywhere near as much appeal as they do to you.

[aluminiumtrioxid]

Taxation of any kind is theft. Legalized, maybe even necessary but still theft. You are taking away money from the people who earned it for the greater benefit of people who didn't. If we can't get around it as a method of funding the government there are surely things we can do to make it more fair. If I left my children a multi-million dollar estate that I worked my whole life to build, earned the money that built it, paid taxes on the income and on the real assets all along the way what standing does anyone have to come in and say it's not all mine to dispose as I please? This notion I'm hearing "you don't need that much money", who are you to say that? You don't know them. Its a notion rooted in the same base emotion that drives the appeal of collectivists economics: envy. Tom has something that **** and Harry don't and it's.... not.... FAIR! So **** & Harry elect a government that will take away what Tom has.

 

It amazes me that people will overlook the worst kind of abuses of power, corruption, and intrusions on their life and property from their governments. They gladly hand their children over to fight in wars that were never declared but never end. They pay more than half of the money they earned  and "rent" the house they own and the car they bought to a government that only demands more and all because we think there is no other way to build our roads and secure our defense.

 

 

Honestly, at this point I just silently pray that someday people can realize their dreams of creating an objectivist utopia out there on the high seas or in orbit where they can establish whatever tax policy they want to.

[redneckdevil]

 

 

 

Look at this. people are still defending the theft of other people's money. Why at epeople pro Nazi?

 

 

I bet you guys would feel the gov't would be justified to mass murder thes epeople if they refused to give up the money right? I mean, it is acceptable for the gov't to steal. EVIL.

stealing implies ownership

So we don't own what we earn? Not exactly an incentive to work hard is it? Why be an engineer and deal with that stress when I can just pick apples. After all if the pay is the same why work harder?

A dead! person doesn’t own anything

Correct BUT also a dead person cannot set up an inheritance either. If they are alive, then they have that right do they not? If I am alive and I chose to give my son 20 dollars and someone comes by and snatches the 20 outta my hand we call that stealing, but if I told my son that 20 will be his when I am dead and I have it in legal writing and someone comes by and takes the 20....that's okay?

Time to go raid museums and time to go grab me some environmental protected lands. Guess we can't say **** about the govt retaking our native American lands either.

Edited November 20, 2017 by redneckdevil

[Blarghagh]

Taxation of any kind is theft. Legalized, maybe even necessary but still theft. You are taking away money from the people who earned it for the greater benefit of people who didn't. If we can't get around it as a method of funding the government there are surely things we can do to make it more fair.

If governed society and monetary regulation stops working then all that green paper you worked so hard for doesn't mean anything. The value of money exists because society makes it exists and therefore society is responsible for the problems it causes. Accepting the value of your hard earned money is a tacit agreement to support the way society works and the issues that come with this society-wide agreement to define worth in paper and numbers become at least to an extent your responsibility as a participant of that society. Don't like it, go live in the woods and trade acorns for toilet paper.

[213374U]

Also:

When a person dies, all of their property becomes owned, as a matter of law, by a fictitious person known as the “estate” of the deceased person. This fictitious person exists as a matter of law for as long as is required to wrap up the affairs of the departed individual; once that is done, the fictitious person of the estate ceases to exist.

In situations where there is no ambiguity, the estate may not be created, because all property interests either terminated at death or transferred unequivocally to other persons (usually, to a spouse).

Wow, you really know your stuff!

 

Oh, wait. Not really.

[Hurlshort]

Maybe Sharpie is Kelly Kinkade?

Edited November 20, 2017 by Hurlshot

[213374U]

More likely she works for him and so he's entitled to 85% of what she writes.

[redneckdevil]

You know, I could get behind 85% of inheritance being taxed by the govt IF when a person of the govt (weither still or has stopped) dies, 85% if thier money, bonds, business, and items is given to the Citizens tax free. Like how the native Americans do it with the casinos.

Tic for tat

Edited November 20, 2017 by redneckdevil

[Pidesco]

You know, I could get behind 85% of inheritance being taxed by the govt IF when a person of the govt (weither still or has stopped) dies, 85% if thier money, bonds, business, and items is given to the Citizens tax free. Like how the native Americans do it with the casinos.

Tic for tat

 

Getting a tattoo that's paid in Tic Tacs seems to me like a risky proposition.

 

Wasn't the 85% number applicable only above 1 million bucks? What's wrong with that?

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

 

You know, I could get behind 85% of inheritance being taxed by the govt IF when a person of the govt (weither still or has stopped) dies, 85% if thier money, bonds, business, and items is given to the Citizens tax free. Like how the native Americans do it with the casinos.

Tic for tat

 

 

Getting a tattoo that's paid in Tic Tacs.seems to me like a risky proposition.

 

Wasn't the 85% number applicable only above 1 million bucks? What's wrong with that?

Milllionaires would end up homeless apparently.

[redneckdevil]

 

You know, I could get behind 85% of inheritance being taxed by the govt IF when a person of the govt (weither still or has stopped) dies, 85% if thier money, bonds, business, and items is given to the Citizens tax free. Like how the native Americans do it with the casinos.

Tic for tat

Getting a tattoo that's paid in Tic Tacs.seems to me like a risky proposition.

 

Wasn't the 85% number applicable only above 1 million bucks? What's wrong with that?

Lmao

 

I'm down with over 1 million IF like I said any person who has at any time been a govt representative (mayor/governor/president/IRS/etc) has 85% of anything they own of value goes over 1 million go to the people straight down middle without going to ANY charity OR organization tax free.

Basically every 3 months, American citizens get a check in the mail of any govt officials who have died.

Edited November 20, 2017 by redneckdevil

[Gfted1]

When people die all thier assets are belong to me. What? Its no more stupid than re-taxing assets for 2,3,4 generations.

[redneckdevil]

 

 

You know, I could get behind 85% of inheritance being taxed by the govt IF when a person of the govt (weither still or has stopped) dies, 85% if thier money, bonds, business, and items is given to the Citizens tax free. Like how the native Americans do it with the casinos.

Tic for tat

 

Getting a tattoo that's paid in Tic Tacs.seems to me like a risky proposition.

 

Wasn't the 85% number applicable only above 1 million bucks? What's wrong with that?

Milllionaires would end up homeless apparently.

For some reason I do have a problem with any person who became a millionaire BECAUSE of working in the govt.

 

I mean what's the point of socialism if your against capitalism but okay with the govt stepping and taking it's place and becoming a business themselves without the CHOICE that businesses offer you....

Edited November 20, 2017 by redneckdevil

[Pidesco]

 

 

You know, I could get behind 85% of inheritance being taxed by the govt IF when a person of the govt (weither still or has stopped) dies, 85% if thier money, bonds, business, and items is given to the Citizens tax free. Like how the native Americans do it with the casinos.

Tic for tat

Getting a tattoo that's paid in Tic Tacs.seems to me like a risky proposition.

 

Wasn't the 85% number applicable only above 1 million bucks? What's wrong with that?

Lmao

 

I'm down with over 1 million IF like I said any person who has at any time been a govt representative (mayor/governor/president/IRS/etc) has 85% of anything they own of value goes to the people straight down middle without going to ANY charity OR organization tax free.

Basically every 3 months, American citizens get a check in the mail of any govt officials who have died.

 

 

So your problem is that government officials use the money from the inheritance tax to refurbish their private homes?

 

And what about people that became millionaires by lobbying the hell out of the government, or from gigantic tax handouts?

[redneckdevil]

 

 

 

You know, I could get behind 85% of inheritance being taxed by the govt IF when a person of the govt (weither still or has stopped) dies, 85% if thier money, bonds, business, and items is given to the Citizens tax free. Like how the native Americans do it with the casinos.

Tic for tat

Getting a tattoo that's paid in Tic Tacs.seems to me like a risky proposition.

 

Wasn't the 85% number applicable only above 1 million bucks? What's wrong with that?

Lmao

 

I'm down with over 1 million IF like I said any person who has at any time been a govt representative (mayor/governor/president/IRS/etc) has 85% of anything they own of value goes to the people straight down middle without going to ANY charity OR organization tax free.

Basically every 3 months, American citizens get a check in the mail of any govt officials who have died.

So your problem is that government officials use the money from the inheritance tax to refurbish their private homes?

 

And what about people that became millionaires by lobbying the hell out of the government, or from gigantic tax handouts?

That's why I have a problem with them becoming millionaire working with the govt because either they getting that lobbying money OR wtf are they being paid those big bucks in the govt?

[Pidesco]

So how about restricting government position's wages, and cracking down on lobbying instead of getting rid of a progressive tax?

[ShadySands]

I'm still not sure why people are arguing 85% after the first million. The real numbers are nowhere near that

[redneckdevil]

So how about restricting government position's wages, and cracking down on lobbying instead of getting rid of a progressive tax?

Usually people die when they seriously try don't they?

That was given for Ben's example and I said how I would be okay with that.

I'm totally for restricting people pay and capping it, we don't need people who sole job is to continue being with the govt besides judges. Senators and whatnot I believe should be on the same restriction like presidents in only serving so many terms then cut off and can't. I mean this is people who make their money taking everyone's money, at least with businesses u get something back.

[Gfted1]

Wat?

 

Politicians "make their money" by publically serving their constituents. You may not like the results, but thats immaterial.

[Pidesco]

 

So how about restricting government position's wages, and cracking down on lobbying instead of getting rid of a progressive tax?

Usually people die when they seriously try don't they?

That was given for Ben's example and I said how I would be okay with that.

I'm totally for restricting people pay and capping it, we don't need people who sole job is to continue being with the govt besides judges. Senators and whatnot I believe should be on the same restriction like presidents in only serving so many terms then cut off and can't. I mean this is people who make their money taking everyone's money, at least with businesses u get something back.

 

 

That bolded bit is a nice joke.

 

I often feel government bashing Americans should read up on their own country's history. Or perhaps recent news. American corporations have always been the main actor when screwing over the American population, even if often the tool of that exploitation was the government itself. Once upon a time, one of those corporate guys was even elected president. Big success. Huge.

[injurai]

Does crony-capitalism steal labor?

[redneckdevil]

 

 

So how about restricting government position's wages, and cracking down on lobbying instead of getting rid of a progressive tax?

Usually people die when they seriously try don't they?

That was given for Ben's example and I said how I would be okay with that.

I'm totally for restricting people pay and capping it, we don't need people who sole job is to continue being with the govt besides judges. Senators and whatnot I believe should be on the same restriction like presidents in only serving so many terms then cut off and can't. I mean this is people who make their money taking everyone's money, at least with businesses u get something back.

That bolded bit is a nice joke.

 

I often feel government bashing Americans should read up on their own country's history. Or perhaps recent news. American corporations have always been the main actor when screwing over the American population, even if often the tool of that exploitation was the government itself. Once upon of time, one of those corporate guys was even elected president. Big success. Huge.

It's like Unions, when u need them they are Great!....but when u don't need them and/or the reason for them is fixed or solved, they still there and now are part of the problem and not the solution. Same thing.

[Pidesco]

The problem that Unions help with is always there and is never solved. Unions are a pain because it's easy to use them to exacerbate the problems they were created to solve. Same with governments, I guess.

 

Also, there are masses and masses of problems and issues that you need a government to manage, and they are not going away in any time frame.

[redneckdevil]

Agreed, but I also think a good chunk of our masses and masses of problems is because of the govt in the first place simply because alot of people with law degrees are passing laws and practices and regulations on things they know nothing about. Like our health care insurance mandate, Did anyone who started it or worked on it have any idea about economics or even health care in general? Alas that's another rant all together.