Political Twelve Monkeys

[injurai]

The govt and taxation is not the only instrument to steal money. Or we could switch to a less loaded word, shift. Economies are largely about shifting wealth around. Private industry does plenty to force out competition, isolate reward, and more. Even going so far as to using the government as an instrument to change tax laws. Often times tax cuts aren't putting any money back into the average person's hands, but instead shifting money away from government contracts for shared infrastructure into savings for already monopolized industries that wouldn't need to invest the difference saved to even save their industry position from an influx capital.

 

Of course it's not like the government always uses that money well either, I just read that the Pentagon has avoided federal audits for 3 decades now.

 

Either way, economic principles like "don't steal" don't map onto actual economic policy anymore, yet continue to be the political rhetoric to shifting voting behaviors.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

"I find it funny that they'd tell a guy who wound up on the street because he lost his job to pull himself up by his bootstraps but millionaires should be coddled or else they'll end up homeless."

 

L0L

 

Because   stating that someone shouldn't have the gov't steal 85% of their money is somehow 'coddling'. LMAO

 

 

 And, what's this about the guy on the streets/ You are making stuff up again. 

 

Only Nazi thieves belief it is okay for the gov't to steal 85% of someone's money.  L0L

 

Inheritance is one of these things that can be easily made to benefit the largest part of society while maintaining a good tax income for the state. Say, no tax on the first million and 85% on every further cent. Not just cash; total capital.

So you support throwing families to streets because Grandpa who owned the house died.

How German of you.

Quoting someone is now making stuff up. r00fles

[majestic]

 

"I find it funny that they'd tell a guy who wound up on the street because he lost his job to pull himself up by his bootstraps but millionaires should be coddled or else they'll end up homeless."

 

L0L

 

Because   stating that someone shouldn't have the gov't steal 85% of their money is somehow 'coddling'. LMAO

 

 

 And, what's this about the guy on the streets/ You are making stuff up again. 

 

Only Nazi thieves belief it is okay for the gov't to steal 85% of someone's money.  L0L

 

Inheritance is one of these things that can be easily made to benefit the largest part of society while maintaining a good tax income for the state. Say, no tax on the first million and 85% on every further cent. Not just cash; total capital.

So you support throwing families to streets because Grandpa who owned the house died.

How German of you.

Quoting someone is now making stuff up. r00fles

 

 

To be fair the idea that someone with a multi-million dollar property could become homless by any form of inheritance tax after the first million is made up.

Edited November 18, 2017 by majestic

[Ben No.3]

"I find it funny that they'd tell a guy who wound up on the street because he lost his job to pull himself up by his bootstraps but millionaires should be coddled or else they'll end up homeless."

 

L0L

 

Because stating that someone shouldn't have the gov't steal 85% of their money is somehow 'coddling'. LMAO

 

 

And, what's this about the guy on the streets/ You are making stuff up again.

 

Only Nazi thieves belief it is okay for the gov't to steal 85% of someone's money. L0L

a dead persons money volo. They’re dead. They don’t care.

[Blarghagh]

Yeah, fine. Write off million dollar properties. All I'm saying is maybe let teachers and schools write off ****ing school supplies too.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

Yeah, fine. Write off million dollar properties. All I'm saying is maybe let teachers and schools write off ****ing school supplies too.

Teachers need to have skin in the game so they know how hard it is to be a milllionaire.

[Blodhemn]

 

"I find it funny that they'd tell a guy who wound up on the street because he lost his job to pull himself up by his bootstraps but millionaires should be coddled or else they'll end up homeless."

 

L0L

 

Because stating that someone shouldn't have the gov't steal 85% of their money is somehow 'coddling'. LMAO

 

 

And, what's this about the guy on the streets/ You are making stuff up again.

 

Only Nazi thieves belief it is okay for the gov't to steal 85% of someone's money. L0L

a dead persons money volo. They’re dead. They don’t care.

 

What makes your existence more important? You'll be joining soon enough. Maybe they "suffered" more in earning those millions than you ever will.

 

Never ceases to amaze how righteous people become when it comes to someone else's money.

[Blarghagh]

You realize the irony, yes?

[Elerond]

"I find it funny that they'd tell a guy who wound up on the street because he lost his job to pull himself up by his bootstraps but millionaires should be coddled or else they'll end up homeless."

 

L0L

 

Because   stating that someone shouldn't have the gov't steal 85% of their money is somehow 'coddling'. LMAO

 

 

 And, what's this about the guy on the streets/ You are making stuff up again. 

 

Only Nazi thieves belief it is okay for the gov't to steal 85% of someone's money.  L0L

 

That isn't even worse robbery that government does. I mean they say that debt is not inherited. Like for example man is 10 million dollars in debt to you and then he dies and government tells you that man's children don't own any money to you. Like those children have not benefited from that 10 million dollars that you borrowed to their dad.

 

 

 

 

[Hurlshort]

Yeah, fine. Write off million dollar properties. All I'm saying is maybe let teachers and schools write off ****ing school supplies too.

 

I've got no problem with them simplifying the tax code and dropping my $300 deduction I get for school supplies, as long as it is lowering my tax liability as a middle class citizen overall. Right now I'm not convinced that will happen.

 

Stop crying over the rich. They are increasing their wealth at a tremendous clip right now while the average tax payer is struggling to make any gains.

 

Edited November 19, 2017 by Hurlshot

[213374U]

You realize the irony, yes?

 

The real irony here is that there's always working class people willing to defend the exploitative nature of labor commodification in capitalism, because they are convinced that they will enter the 4% that KP referenced earlier.

 

(except for Sharp_one who, as you can tell by his deep economic insight, is a self-made S&P 500 founder and CEO and of whose success we're all just jealous)

 

As for the gif Hurl posted, I have only one thing to say, buddy:

 

[213374U]

Anyway,

 

Top US general says he would resist illegal nuclear strike order from Donald Trump

 

It would be interesting if someone went into detail and laid out exactly what makes a nuclear strike legal. And even if it's not, I'm thinking that any official openly refusing an order would be kissing their career goodbye.

[Ben No.3]

 

 

"I find it funny that they'd tell a guy who wound up on the street because he lost his job to pull himself up by his bootstraps but millionaires should be coddled or else they'll end up homeless."

 

L0L

 

Because stating that someone shouldn't have the gov't steal 85% of their money is somehow 'coddling'. LMAO

 

 

And, what's this about the guy on the streets/ You are making stuff up again.

 

Only Nazi thieves belief it is okay for the gov't to steal 85% of someone's money. L0L

a dead persons money volo. They’re dead. They don’t care.

What makes your existence more important? You'll be joining soon enough. Maybe they "suffered" more in earning those millions than you ever will.

 

Never ceases to amaze how righteous people become when it comes to someone else's money.

My existence would be more important simply because I have one while they don’t anymore. Again, they’re dead.

[Katphood]

 

Wow, that's a reach!

A big family house is easily worth over 1 milion and can be in the family for generations. Most people who owns those cannot afford to pay 85% of its worth which means bye bye.

Any private business cannot be inherited under such law so we will have all businesses owned by government which means bad products, no profits etc.

Farming equipment easily is worth few milions and if it cannot stay in the hands of the son then basically in couple decades of government missuse the farming will collapse and we have famine.

 

Which leads to the same outcome as all socialistic states: everyone is poor, everyone is hungry but the government is great. Brought to you by the "Idyllic world of socialism by Ben".

 

But what if the dog inherits everything?!

 

Edited November 19, 2017 by Katphood

[Ben No.3]

 

 

 

 

"I find it funny that they'd tell a guy who wound up on the street because he lost his job to pull himself up by his bootstraps but millionaires should be coddled or else they'll end up homeless."

 

L0L

 

Because stating that someone shouldn't have the gov't steal 85% of their money is somehow 'coddling'. LMAO

 

 

And, what's this about the guy on the streets/ You are making stuff up again.

 

Only Nazi thieves belief it is okay for the gov't to steal 85% of someone's money. L0L

a dead persons money volo. They’re dead. They don’t care.

What makes your existence more important? You'll be joining soon enough. Maybe they "suffered" more in earning those millions than you ever will.

 

Never ceases to amaze how righteous people become when it comes to someone else's money.

My existence would be more important simply because I have one while they don’t anymore. Again, they’re dead.

Channeling the inner Fuhrer I see.

do explain to me how the property rights of a dead person are more important than, say, a child’s access to education, a functioning subway train, or a well kept street.

[Ben No.3]

 

Anyway,

 

Top US general says he would resist illegal nuclear strike order from Donald Trump

 

It would be interesting if someone went into detail and laid out exactly what makes a nuclear strike legal. And even if it's not, I'm thinking that any official openly refusing an order would be kissing their career goodbye.

This guy should be fired immediately for stupidity of the highest order.

Why? He’s explaining his job; part of which is to disobey illegal orders.

[redneckdevil]

 

 

Anyway,

 

Top US general says he would resist illegal nuclear strike order from Donald Trump

 

It would be interesting if someone went into detail and laid out exactly what makes a nuclear strike legal. And even if it's not, I'm thinking that any official openly refusing an order would be kissing their career goodbye.

This guy should be fired immediately for stupidity of the highest order.

Why? He’s explaining his job; part of which is to disobey illegal orders.

Thing is is it "illegal" or is it "I don't want to even though it needs to be done bc of my conscience"? What would make an order like that illegal or legal?

Isn't this the reason why high priority type actions are kept from the people pushing the button like the dropping of the atom bomb.

Edited November 19, 2017 by redneckdevil

[Ben No.3]

 

 

 

Anyway,

 

Top US general says he would resist illegal nuclear strike order from Donald Trump

 

It would be interesting if someone went into detail and laid out exactly what makes a nuclear strike legal. And even if it's not, I'm thinking that any official openly refusing an order would be kissing their career goodbye.

This guy should be fired immediately for stupidity of the highest order.

Why? He’s explaining his job; part of which is to disobey illegal orders.

Thing is is it "illegal" or is it "I don't want to"? What would make an order like that illegal or legal?

Isn't this the reason why high priority type actions are kept from the people pushing the button like the dropping of the atom bomb.

I’m not familiar with US military law; but I see no reason not to trust him?

[Guard Dog]

Speaking from experience here when you are in the military they spend a pretty good amount of time training on every conceivable military topic. In the USMC once you get to the fleet (regular duty, not a training command) every Thursday was a training day. You could cover subjects from fire team tactics to personal finance. The USMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice) was a common subject. So there isn't much ambiguity in the minds of any Marine what is a legal order and what isn't. I've heard the other services do pretty much the same thing. 

[Guard Dog]

 

You realize the irony, yes?

 

The real irony here is that there's always working class people willing to defend the exploitative nature of labor commodification in capitalism, because they are convinced that they will enter the 4% that KP referenced earlier.

 

(except for Sharp_one who, as you can tell by his deep economic insight, is a self-made S&P 500 founder and CEO and of whose success we're all just jealous)

 

As for the gif Hurl posted, I have only one thing to say, buddy:

 

 

 

Kark Marx was the leader of the rebel alliance?????   

 

So it really WAS Nazi's vs communists after all! It's enough to make you head for the Outer Rim!

[redneckdevil]

 

 

 

 

Anyway,

 

Top US general says he would resist illegal nuclear strike order from Donald Trump

 

It would be interesting if someone went into detail and laid out exactly what makes a nuclear strike legal. And even if it's not, I'm thinking that any official openly refusing an order would be kissing their career goodbye.

This guy should be fired immediately for stupidity of the highest order.

Why? He’s explaining his job; part of which is to disobey illegal orders.

Thing is is it "illegal" or is it "I don't want to"? What would make an order like that illegal or legal?

Isn't this the reason why high priority type actions are kept from the people pushing the button like the dropping of the atom bomb.

I’m not familiar with US military law; but I see no reason not to trust him?

As an American I'm unfamiliar with any law that we have that would make a president pushing the button illegal. If there is any laws,I think it would be treaties with other countries.

That's why it's a bit strange of an "illegal" nuclear strike because as a citizen I have no idea what exactly would make a nuclear strike legal or illegal. It's something huge that will have serious and huge reactions and consequences of pushing it weither for a good reason or not.

As far as the guys character or motive, don't care nor do I think he should be fired as long as it goes thru if our president says to do so and cannot present reason not to.

[213374U]

 

 

You realize the irony, yes?

 

The real irony here is that there's always working class people willing to defend the exploitative nature of labor commodification in capitalism, because they are convinced that they will enter the 4% that KP referenced earlier.

 

(except for Sharp_one who, as you can tell by his deep economic insight, is a self-made S&P 500 founder and CEO and of whose success we're all just jealous)

 

As for the gif Hurl posted, I have only one thing to say, buddy:

 

 

 

Kark Marx was the leader of the rebel alliance????? 

 

So it really WAS Nazi's vs communists after all! It's enough to make you head for the Outer Rim!

The fight to overthrow the bourgeoisie isn't confined to this galaxy! Workers of the universe, unite!

[Agiel]

 

Anyway,

 

Top US general says he would resist illegal nuclear strike order from Donald Trump

 

It would be interesting if someone went into detail and laid out exactly what makes a nuclear strike legal. And even if it's not, I'm thinking that any official openly refusing an order would be kissing their career goodbye.

This guy should be fired immediately for stupidity of the highest order.

 

 

Perhaps you'd like to get on the Last Train to Nuremberg.

 

In any case the preeminent Alex Wellerstein discusses the issue on CSPAN (insert standard joke about the dryness of CSPAN here). Relevant part starts at 5:20

 

https://www.c-span.org/video/?437387-4/washington-journal-alex-wellerstein-discusses-presidents-authority-launch-nuclear-weapons&start=133

 

A subtle bit of black humour I saw in it is Wellerstein's comment that "[T]he president issues an order that has to be authenticated and well-formed, in the format an order is required to be in." I suppose there's some comfort to be found in those words if Trump decided to exceed overkill allowances on Pyongyang the next time they called him a "dotard" given Trump's long slide into incoherence.

Edited November 19, 2017 by Agiel

[Hurlshort]

 

Stop crying over the rich. They are increasing their wealth at a tremendous clip right now while the average tax payer is struggling to make any gains.

So a family with a house and a car is top 1%? You have no idea, as always, what you talk about.

Another example of why US education is tanking.

 

 

What in the world are you talking about? We were discussing million dollar inheritances.

 

3% of homes in the US are worth a million dollars.

 

https://www.trulia.com/blog/trends/million-dollar-homes-2016/

 

You flipped out on Ben because he wanted to tax inheritance properties worth over a million dollars. 

 

This stuff makes me miss WoD.

Edited November 19, 2017 by Hurlshot

[Blarghagh]

Inheritance is one of these things that can be easily made to benefit the largest part of society while maintaining a good tax income for the state. Say, no tax on the first million and 85% on every further cent. Not just cash; total capital.

So you support throwing families to streets because Grandpa who owned the house died.

How German of you.

Quoting someone is now making stuff up. r00fles

To be fair the idea that someone with a multi-million dollar property could become homless by any form of inheritance tax after the first million is made up.

A family home magically becomes multi-million dollar property. The strawman keeps getting bigger and bigger when losers see opportunity to rob a hard working people from their hard earned money.

Stop crying over the rich. They are increasing their wealth at a tremendous clip right now while the average tax payer is struggling to make any gains.

So a family with a house and a car is top 1%? You have no idea, as always, what you talk about.

Another example of why US education is tanking.

 What in the world are you talking about? We were discussing million dollar inheritances.

I absolutely love these exchanges.

Step 1: Make a strawman where post-million+ properties are the average old grandpa's house.

Step 2: Accuse others of making a strawman where the average old grandpa's house is a post-million+ property.

Step 3: ???

Step 4: Profit