Proposed new health system, i.e. the one time I'll complain

[Torm51]

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- I liked the health/endurance system of PoE and I see no reason to change it.

 

- I disliked the injury system in Tyranny. I made a suggestion in the tyranny forum to make it better. At least you should see at which point will you get an injury.

 

- I agree with the OP.

DA:O had an injury system and I always reloaded when a char got K.O. unless it was in a long boss battle and I was about to win (Don´t want to have the whole cut szene and the long battle again.)

 

- The health/endurance system forced you to think more about stategy. You could not put one tank in front of the dragon and let him drink 100 large potions in a row. He would run out of health at some point. I think this is good.

bah common the challenge is great.  I love the punishment.  Mess it up and your team suffers.

Edited March 5, 2017 by Torm51

[Gregorovitch]

I think the health/endurance system coupled withh the camping supplies restriction in PoE was an excellent system. Sure, some people got fed up with running off to the shops all the time to be able to rest, but bascially the system encouraged developing good combat tactics enabling experienceing the combat system to the full and accuracy and economy in spell/ability selection. In short it worked very well. It dealt with the BG rest spam problem brilliantly and it encouraged people to learn to play well in all departments, and playing well increases your enjoyment of a game IMO.

 

My benchmark for PoE on PotD was 3/4 standard encounters per rest or one major boss battle to start with. Later I got better than that and could drive through 5,6,7 encounters per rest, [edit] which, just to be clear on the point, meant that, with most dungeons and areas having the odd additional camping supply avaiable via loot, Iwas able to complete most of them within the two camping supply allowance, but not without accuracy, care and economy, and that is in my view exactly as it should be - it was very well balanced.

 

Injuries that debuff the charcacter and need a rest to fix are going to be an absolute PITA. One lucky crit from some miserable Xaurip archer and bang goes another rest, and off to the shops it is /sigh/

 

If it ain't broke don't fix it.

Edited March 6, 2017 by Gregorovitch

[FlintlockJazz]

Put me down for liking the old Health/Endurance system.  I'm not so keen on this new thingy-system, sounds too abusable at best, and punishing to those who don't abuse it and play it properly (as Gregorovitch has said above, one lucky crit...).  It works in some tabletop game?  That's great, but this is a CRPG and what is great in tabletop doesn't always translate over to digital.  No, I'm gonna be annoying and say I am not liking the sound of this change so far, whereas the previous system I loved from the moment I heard it.

[NegativeEdge]

I think the health/endurance system coupled withh the camping supplies restriction in PoE was an excellent system. Sure, some people got fed up with running off to the shops all the time to be able to rest, but bascially the system encouraged developing good combat tactics enabling experienceing the combat system to the full and accuracy and economy in spell/ability selection. In short it worked very well. 

 

But that's not how people played - they unloaded their spell books every encounter, rested, then and ran back to town to replenish supplies, often half way through a dungeon or area.

 

It dealt with the BG rest spam problem brilliantly 

 

BG didn't have a 'rest spam problem'. The player may have but not the game. It dissuaded resting with ambushes (though these should have been more punishing and frequent) and the superior original did not allow 'rest until healed'.

 

 

 it encouraged people to learn to play well in all departments,

 

No it didn't.

[Daled]

I totally agree, I loved the Endurance/Health system since I first heard of it.

Taking a hit  (every single one) meant losing permanently hp (until resting) but on the other end wasn't too bad since it didn't penalized your characters with malus or something like that, this system fixed a number of things:

 

-Being hit becoming meaningless because at the end of the encounter you'll be healed (or worse you have the chore to manually use magic/potions to heal)

 

-Since every single hit has an impact it isn't a "binary" system that as long as you aren't knockdown you are fine and you won't get any kind of penalty (and likely be healed at the end of combat)

 

-Infinite healing during combat

 

With the plus of limited resting supplies to put a stop at spamming and give a real impact to the system, this or any other type.

 

I really hope they'll think about keeping this system in place 

 

(sorry for the bad english)

[rjshae]

 

I think the health/endurance system coupled withh the camping supplies restriction in PoE was an excellent system. Sure, some people got fed up with running off to the shops all the time to be able to rest, but bascially the system encouraged developing good combat tactics enabling experienceing the combat system to the full and accuracy and economy in spell/ability selection. In short it worked very well. 

 

But that's not how people played - they unloaded their spell books every encounter, rested, then and ran back to town to replenish supplies, often half way through a dungeon or area.

 

 

Which people? I didn't. There was typically a camping supply or two to be found in each significant dungeon, so I managed the supply and lived with some damage and per-rest ability loss. At higher levels, magic items helped with the extra spell slots, as did spell mastery. I usually only withdrew for supplies if I got clobbered a few times, which is what you'd expect.

[NegativeEdge]

Well, you might expect it but sometimes reality confounds our expectations. I'm sorry I don't have a source on hand but the devs have talked about it somewhere and the fact that they're emphasising per-encounter over per-rest in PoE2 is in line with 'solving' the problem of people nuking everything that moves then complaining about having to rest or return to an inn.

[rjshae]

Well, you might expect it but sometimes reality confounds our expectations. I'm sorry I don't have a source on hand but the devs have talked about it somewhere and the fact that they're emphasising per-encounter over per-rest in PoE2 is in line with 'solving' the problem of people nuking everything that moves then complaining about having to rest or return to an inn.

 

The squeaky wheel gets the grease, I guess. It wouldn't be my preference.

[Messier-31]

godmode on, problem solved

[tinysalamander]

Nuking everything is a good idea, though, when you don’t yet know what a given kind of monster can do since things can easily go south if you had a bad start. We’ll see how those changes… change things like that.

Edited March 7, 2017 by tinysalamander

[Ninjamestari]

I think obsidian has fallen to the trap of trying to fix something that ain't broken here. I really don't like the endurance system, as that also was a fix to a problem that didn't exist. Why can't people just stick to basics and build upon that instead of trying to make these fancy new systems that don't serve any purpose what so ever.

[JerekKruger]

Put me down as someone who'd prefer the Health/Endurance system of PoE over the new proposed system.

[FlintlockJazz]

 

Well, you might expect it but sometimes reality confounds our expectations. I'm sorry I don't have a source on hand but the devs have talked about it somewhere and the fact that they're emphasising per-encounter over per-rest in PoE2 is in line with 'solving' the problem of people nuking everything that moves then complaining about having to rest or return to an inn.

 

The squeaky wheel gets the grease, I guess. It wouldn't be my preference.

 

That's pretty much what I suspect is happening: those who didn't like the system complained and shouted on the forums while those who did like it just got on with it because, well, they liked it so why would they complain?  As a result, it looked like more people complained than there actually were.  Most people I have actually spoken to in person liked the system, and I seriously doubt the average player just nuked every encounter and then ran back to town. 

[Ninjamestari]

 

 

Well, you might expect it but sometimes reality confounds our expectations. I'm sorry I don't have a source on hand but the devs have talked about it somewhere and the fact that they're emphasising per-encounter over per-rest in PoE2 is in line with 'solving' the problem of people nuking everything that moves then complaining about having to rest or return to an inn.

 

The squeaky wheel gets the grease, I guess. It wouldn't be my preference.

 

That's pretty much what I suspect is happening: those who didn't like the system complained and shouted on the forums while those who did like it just got on with it because, well, they liked it so why would they complain?  As a result, it looked like more people complained than there actually were.  Most people I have actually spoken to in person liked the system, and I seriously doubt the average player just nuked every encounter and then ran back to town. 

 

 

I bet the average player simply played a Cipher or some other class that didn't have vancian mechanics.

[Torm51]

Put me down as someone who'd prefer the Health/Endurance system of PoE over the new proposed system.

same here.

[dukeisaac]

 

Put me down as someone who'd prefer the Health/Endurance system of PoE over the new proposed system.

same here.

 

And here. Health-endurance split is imo easy to understand and pretty effective. I also liked the knockout injuries, but I suggest they remain optional as in POE1.

[darqleo]

Put me down as someone who'd prefer the Health/Endurance system of PoE over the new proposed system.

 

You have my sword...

[bonarbill]

I'm honestly glad that their getting rid of that crappy convoluted system that was in PoE.  Just stick with one health bar like in other games please.

Edited March 7, 2017 by bonarbill

[Leferd]

Heh. The repeal and replace debate is happening here too.

[Hertzila]

I'm honestly glad that their getting rid of that crappy convoluted system that was in PoE.  Just stick with one health bar like in other games please.

 

No. The health / endurance split was one of the best aspects of PoE's mechanics and added a lot of strategic depth to encounters. Instead of chugging wound-knitting health potions like it was your soft drink of choice, you actually couldn't tank through everything with a beer cap and a hose.

 

The split is great. The injury system sounds way too simplified and discrete compared to the granularity of the split.

[gogocactus]

 

Put me down as someone who'd prefer the Health/Endurance system of PoE over the new proposed system.

You have my sword...

And my axe...

[JerekKruger]

 

 

Put me down as someone who'd prefer the Health/Endurance system of PoE over the new proposed system.

You have my sword...

And my axe...

 

 

Really? Cause I checked around and I couldn't find an axe or sword anywhere in my apartment.

[dukeisaac]

 

 

 

Put me down as someone who'd prefer the Health/Endurance system of PoE over the new proposed system.

You have my sword...

And my axe...

 

 

Really? Cause I checked around and I couldn't find an axe or sword anywhere in my apartment.

 

Clearly, you're priorities are all wrong

[JerekKruger]

Clearly, you're priorities are all wrong

 

You're not wrong.

[bonarbill]

 

I'm honestly glad that their getting rid of that crappy convoluted system that was in PoE.  Just stick with one health bar like in other games please.

 

No. The health / endurance split was one of the best aspects of PoE's mechanics and added a lot of strategic depth to encounters.

 

 

No, it wasn't.  PoE's battledidn't last long enough for the endurance system to even matter.  Thankfully Ropekid is smart enough to get rid of this crappy system by go back to a system that was never broken to begin with.

Edited March 8, 2017 by bonarbill