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[Gromnir]

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/colleges-enroll-students-arent-prepared-higher-education/

 

"But even four-year schools, which are more likely to have some admissions criteria, were not immune. In the California State University system, which admitted about 72 percent of first-time freshman applicants in 2014, more than 40 percent of incoming freshman were deemed not ready for college-level work in at least one subject. Nearly a quarter of incoming students at Colorado’s and Montana’s four-year schools were placed in remedial courses and about 30 percent were in Arkansas."

 

our public schools is failing our kids.

 

 

[Pidesco]

"HA! Good fun!" is missing, and that makes "our public schools is failing our kids." stand out given the subject matter.

[Gorgon]

You do know they say that everywhere. Like in East Timor some guy will be going to work on his lama reading reading about how the public school system does not prepare propperly for college level work.

[Guard Dog]

30% of Colorado & Montana's incoming freshmen were placed in Arkansas???

 

Who they heck are you and how did you get Gromnir's password?

[Hurlshort]

I remember very similar numbers making the rounds about 20 years ago when I was entering college. It's not a new problem. 

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

60% is good enough. You guys need to focus on the alternative facts instead of the negative ones.

[Guard Dog]

Yeah KP is right! Most students are ok! To quote Judge Smails "The world needs ditch diggers too!" 

 

[213374U]

30% of Colorado & Montana's incoming freshmen were placed in Arkansas???

 

I guess she could use a remedial course in English.

[Gfted1]

Could You Have Passed the 8th Grade in 1895?

 

*fails spectacularly*

[Hurlshort]

Yeah KP is right! Most students are ok! To quote Judge Smails "The world needs ditch diggers too!" 

 

 

That's the problem, nobody is telling these kids they should be ditch diggers.  They can be anything they want if they go to community college.

 

But with a bit less snark, college is fairly accessible to almost any student coming out of High School. This is great because it offers opportunity to a diverse range of students instead just of the ones that come from specific socio-economic backgrounds. But it also means you are going to have a much wider range of academic abilities. Couple that with the fact public education has been doubling down on math, science, and language arts for decades and devaluing trade skills, and you have some issues.

 

Trying to convince my students that plumbers, electricians, and mechanics are not only important, but can make a lot of money is not an easy task. They get the exact opposite message from their parents and society as a whole. 

[Guard Dog]

Could You Have Passed the 8th Grade in 1895?

 

*fails spectacularly*

Wow the language of education has changed quite a bit in 122 years. I assume principle parts of a verb is a long way to say conjugation. What is the volume of a bushel of wheat? Heck I don't know. I could answer the second math question pretty easily if I did. The first math question is talking about the Associative and Distributive properties I guess. On number 9 how the heck many rods are in an acre? Uh oh... History question #3 is a no no. The Democrats won't want you discussing THAT with students!

 

The rest isn't too hard.

Edited January 31, 2017 by Guard Dog

[Guard Dog]

 

Yeah KP is right! Most students are ok! To quote Judge Smails "The world needs ditch diggers too!" 

 

 

That's the problem, nobody is telling these kids they should be ditch diggers.  They can be anything they want if they go to community college.

 

But with a bit less snark, college is fairly accessible to almost any student coming out of High School. This is great because it offers opportunity to a diverse range of students instead just of the ones that come from specific socio-economic backgrounds. But it also means you are going to have a much wider range of academic abilities. Couple that with the fact public education has been doubling down on math, science, and language arts for decades and devaluing trade skills, and you have some issues.

 

Trying to convince my students that plumbers, electricians, and mechanics are not only important, but can make a lot of money is not an easy task. They get the exact opposite message from their parents and society as a whole. 

 

Yeah no kidding. I went to a Community College for four years! And my career has been.... it's been.... well, I have one.

[Pidesco]

 

Could You Have Passed the 8th Grade in 1895?

 

*fails spectacularly*

Wow the language of education has changed quite a bit in 122 years. I assume principle parts of a verb is a long way to say conjugation. What is the volume of a bushel of wheat? Heck I don't know. I could answer the second math question pretty easily if I did. The first math question is talking about the Associative and Distributive properties I guess. On number 9 how the heck many rods are in an acre? Uh oh... History question #4 is a no no. The Democrats won't want you discussing THAT with students!

 

The rest isn't too hard.

 

 

 

Why is "Show the territorial growth of the United States." a no no?

[Guard Dog]

 

 

Could You Have Passed the 8th Grade in 1895?

 

*fails spectacularly*

Wow the language of education has changed quite a bit in 122 years. I assume principle parts of a verb is a long way to say conjugation. What is the volume of a bushel of wheat? Heck I don't know. I could answer the second math question pretty easily if I did. The first math question is talking about the Associative and Distributive properties I guess. On number 9 how the heck many rods are in an acre? Uh oh... History question #4 is a no no. The Democrats won't want you discussing THAT with students!

 

The rest isn't too hard.

 

 

 

Why is "Show the territorial growth of the United States." a no no?

 

Doh! Thanks. I fixed it. It was question 3.

[Pidesco]

I'm still wondering, though....

[BruceVC]

Can I be honest with you guys in the USA, I would be much concerned about the large numbers of adults in the USA  who reject certain social, economic and political realities  and instead embrace the world of alternative facts and post-truth 

[Guard Dog]

I'm still wondering, though....

We went to war with the British over far fewer taxes and property rights violations than the US Government is hammering us with today.

[Gromnir]

"HA! Good fun!" is missing, and that makes "our public schools is failing our kids." stand out given the subject matter.

we purposeful leave out signature for particular unfunny posts.

 

HA! Good Fun!

[Hurlshort]

 

I'm still wondering, though....

We went to war with the British over far fewer taxes and property rights violations than the US Government is hammering us with today.

 

 

We do teach the Revolutionary War in 8th grade.  It's a big unit.  

[Guard Dog]

[Hurlshort]

Just wanted to clarify for all the non-American folks.  

[Amentep]

What is the volume of a bushel of wheat? Heck I don't know. I could answer the second math question pretty easily if I did. The first math question is talking about the Associative and Distributive properties I guess. On number 9 how the heck many rods are in an acre? Uh oh... History question #3 is a no no. The Democrats won't want you discussing THAT with students!

 

The rest isn't too hard.

 

Bushel is 2150.42  cu in. in the US.

 

I'm thinking they mean identity (a=a) symmetry (if a=b then b=a) and transitive (if a=b and b=c, then a=c) rather than the associative, distributive and commutative properties, which IIRC are more specifically tied to operations in algebra.

 

1 Acre is 160 square rod.

[Amentep]

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/colleges-enroll-students-arent-prepared-higher-education/

 

"But even four-year schools, which are more likely to have some admissions criteria, were not immune. In the California State University system, which admitted about 72 percent of first-time freshman applicants in 2014, more than 40 percent of incoming freshman were deemed not ready for college-level work in at least one subject. Nearly a quarter of incoming students at Colorado’s and Montana’s four-year schools were placed in remedial courses and about 30 percent were in Arkansas."

 

our public schools is failing our kids.

 

When I worked specifically with remediation at a college that had open admissions, ~60% of the incoming class were remedial and had been for at least 20-30 years.  However all that time spent working with remedial students (and indeed being a part of organizations tied to remediation) taught me that this isn't a new problem.  The part that's new(ish) is that the colleges themselves are being forced to handle the remediation (to some degree) rather than requiring the student complete a prep school after graduation from HS but before matriculation into the college which was more the norm back in the 1700s-1800s.

[Wrath of Dagon]

Can I be honest with you guys in the USA, I would be much concerned about the large numbers of adults in the USA  who reject certain social, economic and political realities  and instead embrace the world of alternative facts and post-truth 

The ones who don't agree with you you mean.

[Gromnir]

 

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/colleges-enroll-students-arent-prepared-higher-education/

 

"But even four-year schools, which are more likely to have some admissions criteria, were not immune. In the California State University system, which admitted about 72 percent of first-time freshman applicants in 2014, more than 40 percent of incoming freshman were deemed not ready for college-level work in at least one subject. Nearly a quarter of incoming students at Colorado’s and Montana’s four-year schools were placed in remedial courses and about 30 percent were in Arkansas."

 

our public schools is failing our kids.

 

When I worked specifically with remediation at a college that had open admissions, ~60% of the incoming class were remedial and had been for at least 20-30 years.  However all that time spent working with remedial students (and indeed being a part of organizations tied to remediation) taught me that this isn't a new problem.  The part that's new(ish) is that the colleges themselves are being forced to handle the remediation (to some degree) rather than requiring the student complete a prep school after graduation from HS but before matriculation into the college which was more the norm back in the 1700s-1800s.

 

am understanding your pov as you say you work for an open-enrollment system, yes? but CSU? is only 9% of graduating seniors who is guaranteed spots at UC, and they had to open UC merced to keep close to being able to match that goal. CSU has therefore necessarily been taking a higher performing group o' students.

 

use csu chico as random.  would be unfair to use cal poly.

 

http://www.csuchico.edu/admissions/want-to-apply/freshmen/eligibility.shtml

 

http://www.collegedata.com/cs/data/college/college_pg01_tmpl.jhtml?schoolId=1083

 

average freshman were getting b/b+ in high school coursework which is seeming near required to be college prep.  nevertheless, the kids is unprepared.  this is not a case o' returning adults who ain't been to school in years or folks deciding 'tween working as a security guard or going to a community college as amentep is likely to see frequent.  

 

am thinking educators writing this off as a kinda business as usual fail is as disturbing as is the numbers. 

 

"Sonja Brookins Santelises, chief executive officer of Baltimore City Public Schools, is well aware of the gap between the knowledge needed to earn a diploma in the district and what college professors expect students to be able to do on day one. She served as chief academic officer for the district before going to the D.C.-based think tank Education Trust in 2013, where she studied this issue nationally. She returned to the Baltimore school district in the summer of 2016.

 

"It’s “more like a chasm,” she said. “We’ve had too low a standard for too long.”

 

"The district is working to increase dual-enrollment opportunities, through which high school students can enroll in college courses, as well as increase general exposure to higher education, Santelises said. It’s also trying to equip schools with the tools to deal with trauma in students’ lives and to better support teachers in raising standards to challenge students more in high school.

 

"“If we’ve been giving kids worksheets with simplistic answers for years and then get upset when they can’t write a five-paragraph essay or recognize subject-verb agreement, that’s not the kids,” she said. “That’s us.”"

 

am glad some folks in education recognize a problem.

 

HA! Good Fun!