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http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/colleges-enroll-students-arent-prepared-higher-education/

 

"But even four-year schools, which are more likely to have some admissions criteria, were not immune. In the California State University system, which admitted about 72 percent of first-time freshman applicants in 2014, more than 40 percent of incoming freshman were deemed not ready for college-level work in at least one subject. Nearly a quarter of incoming students at Colorado’s and Montana’s four-year schools were placed in remedial courses and about 30 percent were in Arkansas."

 

our public schools is failing our kids.

 

 

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"HA! Good fun!" is missing, and that makes "our public schools is failing our kids." stand out given the subject matter. :)

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We need free and good public schools and universities for everyone. Education is the biggest factor for economic success, and thus it needs to be accessible for everyone, and not dependant on the wealth of your family. As long as only the children of the wealthy can go to Harvard, we as a society are doomed.

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30% of Colorado & Montana's incoming freshmen were placed in Arkansas??? :lol:

 

Who they heck are you and how did you get Gromnir's password?

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60% is good enough. You guys need to focus on the alternative facts instead of the negative ones.

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Yeah KP is right! Most students are ok! To quote Judge Smails "The world needs ditch diggers too!" 

 

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Yeah KP is right! Most students are ok! To quote Judge Smails "The world needs ditch diggers too!" 

 

:lol:

 

That's the problem, nobody is telling these kids they should be ditch diggers.  They can be anything they want if they go to community college. :p

 

But with a bit less snark, college is fairly accessible to almost any student coming out of High School. This is great because it offers opportunity to a diverse range of students instead just of the ones that come from specific socio-economic backgrounds. But it also means you are going to have a much wider range of academic abilities. Couple that with the fact public education has been doubling down on math, science, and language arts for decades and devaluing trade skills, and you have some issues.

 

Trying to convince my students that plumbers, electricians, and mechanics are not only important, but can make a lot of money is not an easy task. They get the exact opposite message from their parents and society as a whole. 

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Wow the language of education has changed quite a bit in 122 years. I assume principle parts of a verb is a long way to say conjugation. What is the volume of a bushel of wheat? Heck I don't know. I could answer the second math question pretty easily if I did. The first math question is talking about the Associative and Distributive properties I guess. On number 9 how the heck many rods are in an acre? Uh oh... History question #3 is a no no. The Democrats won't want you discussing THAT with students!

 

The rest isn't too hard.

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Yeah KP is right! Most students are ok! To quote Judge Smails "The world needs ditch diggers too!" 

 

:lol:

 

That's the problem, nobody is telling these kids they should be ditch diggers.  They can be anything they want if they go to community college. :p

 

But with a bit less snark, college is fairly accessible to almost any student coming out of High School. This is great because it offers opportunity to a diverse range of students instead just of the ones that come from specific socio-economic backgrounds. But it also means you are going to have a much wider range of academic abilities. Couple that with the fact public education has been doubling down on math, science, and language arts for decades and devaluing trade skills, and you have some issues.

 

Trying to convince my students that plumbers, electricians, and mechanics are not only important, but can make a lot of money is not an easy task. They get the exact opposite message from their parents and society as a whole. 

 

Yeah no kidding. I went to a Community College for four years! And my career has been.... it's been.... well, I have one.

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Wow the language of education has changed quite a bit in 122 years. I assume principle parts of a verb is a long way to say conjugation. What is the volume of a bushel of wheat? Heck I don't know. I could answer the second math question pretty easily if I did. The first math question is talking about the Associative and Distributive properties I guess. On number 9 how the heck many rods are in an acre? Uh oh... History question #4 is a no no. The Democrats won't want you discussing THAT with students!

 

The rest isn't too hard.

 

 

 

Why is "Show the territorial growth of the United States." a no no?

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Wow the language of education has changed quite a bit in 122 years. I assume principle parts of a verb is a long way to say conjugation. What is the volume of a bushel of wheat? Heck I don't know. I could answer the second math question pretty easily if I did. The first math question is talking about the Associative and Distributive properties I guess. On number 9 how the heck many rods are in an acre? Uh oh... History question #4 is a no no. The Democrats won't want you discussing THAT with students!

 

The rest isn't too hard.

 

 

 

Why is "Show the territorial growth of the United States." a no no?

 

Doh! Thanks. I fixed it. It was question 3.

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I'm still wondering, though.... :)

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Can I be honest with you guys in the USA, I would be much concerned about the large numbers of adults in the USA  who reject certain social, economic and political realities  and instead embrace the world of alternative facts and post-truth  :geek:

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I'm still wondering, though.... :)

We went to war with the British over far fewer taxes and property rights violations than the US Government is hammering us with today.

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"HA! Good fun!" is missing, and that makes "our public schools is failing our kids." stand out given the subject matter. :)

we purposeful leave out signature for particular unfunny posts.

 

HA! Good Fun!

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I'm still wondering, though.... :)

We went to war with the British over far fewer taxes and property rights violations than the US Government is hammering us with today.

 

 

We do teach the Revolutionary War in 8th grade.  It's a big unit.  :p

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What is the volume of a bushel of wheat? Heck I don't know. I could answer the second math question pretty easily if I did. The first math question is talking about the Associative and Distributive properties I guess. On number 9 how the heck many rods are in an acre? Uh oh... History question #3 is a no no. The Democrats won't want you discussing THAT with students!

 

The rest isn't too hard.

 

Bushel is 2150.42  cu in. in the US.

 

I'm thinking they mean identity (a=a) symmetry (if a=b then b=a) and transitive (if a=b and b=c, then a=c) rather than the associative, distributive and commutative properties, which IIRC are more specifically tied to operations in algebra.

 

1 Acre is 160 square rod.

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http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/colleges-enroll-students-arent-prepared-higher-education/

 

"But even four-year schools, which are more likely to have some admissions criteria, were not immune. In the California State University system, which admitted about 72 percent of first-time freshman applicants in 2014, more than 40 percent of incoming freshman were deemed not ready for college-level work in at least one subject. Nearly a quarter of incoming students at Colorado’s and Montana’s four-year schools were placed in remedial courses and about 30 percent were in Arkansas."

 

our public schools is failing our kids.

 

When I worked specifically with remediation at a college that had open admissions, ~60% of the incoming class were remedial and had been for at least 20-30 years.  However all that time spent working with remedial students (and indeed being a part of organizations tied to remediation) taught me that this isn't a new problem.  The part that's new(ish) is that the colleges themselves are being forced to handle the remediation (to some degree) rather than requiring the student complete a prep school after graduation from HS but before matriculation into the college which was more the norm back in the 1700s-1800s.

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Can I be honest with you guys in the USA, I would be much concerned about the large numbers of adults in the USA  who reject certain social, economic and political realities  and instead embrace the world of alternative facts and post-truth  :geek:

The ones who don't agree with you you mean.

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