Meshugger Posted June 24, 2016 Author Posted June 24, 2016 ^excellet scene. "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy
Valsuelm Posted June 25, 2016 Posted June 25, 2016 More DNC/ Hillary hax docs released. Pretty much zero doubt that it's genuine at this point, ain't nobody going to fake that number of documents, plus no one seems to be claiming that it's fake just that the hacker is 'Russian'. Well, well, well. What do we have here in the donor list? (Those who in bold are those that got my attention at first glance) $25 million + Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation * Clinton Giustra Enterprise Partnership (Canada) * Fred Eychaner * Frank Giustra, The Radcliffe Foundation Nationale Postcode Loterij * The Children's Investment Fund Foundation $10-25 million AUSAID Stephen L. Bing COPRESIDA Tom Golisano Government of Norway The Hunter Foundation * Kingdom of Saudi Arabia * The Victor Pinchuk Foundation Cheryl and Haim Saban & The Saban Family Foundation * The ELMA Foundation Theodore W. Waitt $5-10 million S. Daniel Abraham Sheikh Mohammed H. Al-Amoudi Susie Tompkins Buell Fund of the Marin Community Foundation * C40 Cities Climate Leadership Group, Inc. * Commonwealth of Australia, DIICC * Elton John AIDS Foundation Government of the Netherlands Irish Aid J.B. and M.K. Pritzker Family Foundation * John D. Mackay Denis J. O'Brien * Michael Schumacher State of Kuwait The Coca-Cola Company * The Rockefeller Foundation The Swedish Postcode Lottery * The Wasserman Foundation * $1-5 million 100 Women in Hedgefunds Absolute Return for Kids (ARK) Jay Alix Alliance for a Green Revolution in Africa Nasser Al-Rashid American Federation of Teachers * Angelopoulos Foundation * Gianna Angelopoulos Anheuser-Busch Foundation Smith and Elizabeth Bagley * Barclays Capital Mary Bing and Doug Ellis Fidelity Charitable Gift Fund * Blue Cross and Blue Shield of North Carolina * Richard Blum and Blum Family Foundation * Booz Allen Hamilton * The Eli and Edythe Broad Foundation * The Sherwood Foundation * Richard and Jackie Caring * Gilbert R. Chagoury Christy and John Mack Foundation * Cisco * Citi Foundation The Clinton Family Foundation * Clinton-Bush Haiti Fund Stephen J. Cloobeck * Roy E. ****rum * Victor P. Dahdaleh & The Victor Phillip Dahdaleh Charitable Foundation The ERANDA Foundation * Robert Disbrow Dubai Foundation Duke Energy Corporation Entergy ExxonMobil * Issam M. Fares & The Wedge Foundation * Joseph T. Ford Wallace W. Fowler Friends of Saudi Arabia Fundacion Telmex Mala Gaonkar Haarman GEMS Education * Ariadne Getty * GIZ - Deutsche Gesellschaft für Internationale * The James R. Greenbaum, Jr. Family Foundation Vin Gupta * Worldwide Support for Development * Hewlett-Packard Company * Hult International Business School * Humana Inc. * ICAP Services North America * Inter-American Development Bank * Sanela D. Jenkins Robert L. Johnson * Walid Juffali Dave Katragadda Kessler Family Foundation Michael and Jena King Laureate International Universities Lukas Lundin MAC AIDS Fund The Marc Haas Foundation * Microsoft * Lakshmi N. Mittal James R. Murdoch Norad (Norwegian Agency for Development Cooperation) * NRG Energy, Inc. * OAS S.A. OCP Corporation Open Society Institute Jonathan M. Orszag * Peter G. Peterson Foundation * Pfizer Inc * PGA Tour, Inc. * Presidential Inaugural Committee Princess Diana Memorial Fund Procter & Gamble * Stewart Rahr Paul D. Reynolds Robertson Foundation Newsmax Media Inc. * Salida Capital Foundation Donald L. Saunders * Joachim Schoss Bernard L. Schwartz Walter H. Shorenstein Arnold H. Simon Bren Simon * Amar Singh Carlos Slim Helú & Fundación Carlos Slim Michael Smurfit * Harold Snyder Sol Goldman Charitable Trust * Steven Spielberg Standard Chartered Bank * Starkey Hearing Foundation * Starkey Hearing Technologies, Inc. * State of Qatar Sterling Stamos Capital Management, LP The Streisand Foundation * Suzlon Energy Ltd. Swedish Postcode Foundation Swiss Reinsurance Company * Nima Taghavi * Tenet Healthcare Corporation * The Annenberg Foundation The Boeing Company The Dow Chemical Company * The ELMA Philanthropies Services (U.S.) Inc. The Ford Foundation * The Goldman Sachs Group, Inc. * The Government of Brunei Darussalam The Howard Gilman Foundation The New York Community Trust * The Roy and Christine Sturgis Charitable & Educational Trust The Sidney E. Frank Foundation The Sultanate of Oman * The Walmart Foundation The Zayed Family Thomson Reuters Torres-Picón Foundation * Toyota Motor North America, Inc. * Tracfone Wireless, Inc. * T.G. Holdings U.S. Green Building Council (USGBC) * UK Department for International Development ( DFID) United Arab Emirates * Verein Aids Life The Walton Family Foundation * Rilin Enterprises * Gerardo Werthein Frank White * The Wyss Foundation * YPY Holding Limited * This list. Where exactly did you get it? I'd like to send it on to some folks I know outside of Obsidian land.
Valsuelm Posted June 25, 2016 Posted June 25, 2016 (edited) I'm not sure when it became normal for insinuations that major American political figures were in the practice of having folks murdered to go unchallenged, but it is rather disquieting to me. The whole Foster thing has been pretty thoroughly debunked, yet it lives on (and grows, I suppose) the minds of folks who want desperately to believe anything and everything unpleasant about politicians who they don't like. That said, I'm the weirdo around here in that I hear the word "establishment" and think "actual somewhat-reasonable adults" rather than "the source of everything unpleasant in America." (Sure, some of them are self-interested jerks, but not really in greater proportions than the rest of the population.) You know the irony of all that is there were deaths back in Arkansas that were a lot more suspicious than that one with much better evidence of foul play and cover up. But for some reason this is the one that gets remembered. That is not to suggest anyone named Clinton had anything to do with any of them but it does beg the question when the Arkansas State Police determine the AG (one William Jefferson Clinton) former mistress Suzanne Coleman committed suicide by shooting herself in the back of the head with a rifle. Vince Foster was never 'debunked'. There are some unanswerable questions. Suzanne Coleman is just one of many of who died in Arkansas who had their deaths covered up under Bill Clinton's watch, as AG and as governor. My personal opinion on all of these vary, though I'd say the teenagers killed who stumbled on a drug drop probably has the biggest red flags of all. It'll be interesting to see if the forthcoming Tom Cruise movie 'Mena' mentions Clinton's connections to 'Iran Contra'. Doubtful, as there are other bigger players to mention first (like Bush), and a 2-3 hour long movie is only going to be able to show the tip of the iceberg, but it's certainly possible. Edited June 25, 2016 by Valsuelm
213374U Posted June 25, 2016 Posted June 25, 2016 This list. Where exactly did you get it? I'd like to send it on to some folks I know outside of Obsidian land. From the link Zoraptor posted. Download the zip, from what I can gather, it's the "Clinton Foundation Donors (from Free Beacon).xlsx" file sorted by amount donated. (Free Beacon? Searching brings up a conservative newspaper. Did they post it themselves previously...?) - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast.
Raithe Posted June 25, 2016 Posted June 25, 2016 2 "Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum."
Valsuelm Posted June 25, 2016 Posted June 25, 2016 (edited) Obama next One can hope that Merkel follows in his footsteps next year. Long live Assad!? Edited June 25, 2016 by Valsuelm
Meshugger Posted June 25, 2016 Author Posted June 25, 2016 More DNC/ Hillary hax docs released. Pretty much zero doubt that it's genuine at this point, ain't nobody going to fake that number of documents, plus no one seems to be claiming that it's fake just that the hacker is 'Russian'. Well, well, well. What do we have here in the donor list? (Those who in bold are those that got my attention at first glance) $25 million + Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation * Clinton Giustra Enterprise Partnership (Canada) * Fred Eychaner * Frank Giustra, The Radcliffe Foundation Nationale Postcode Loterij * The Children's Investment Fund Foundation $10-25 million AUSAID Stephen L. Bing COPRESIDA Tom Golisano Government of Norway The Hunter Foundation * Kingdom of Saudi Arabia * The Victor Pinchuk Foundation Cheryl and Haim Saban & The Saban Family Foundation * The ELMA Foundation Theodore W. Waitt $5-10 million S. Daniel Abraham Sheikh Mohammed H. Al-Amoudi Susie Tompkins Buell Fund of the Marin Community Foundation * C40 Cities Climate Leadership Group, Inc. * Commonwealth of Australia, DIICC * Elton John AIDS Foundation Government of the Netherlands Irish Aid J.B. and M.K. Pritzker Family Foundation * John D. Mackay Denis J. O'Brien * Michael Schumacher State of Kuwait The Coca-Cola Company * The Rockefeller Foundation The Swedish Postcode Lottery * The Wasserman Foundation * $1-5 million 100 Women in Hedgefunds Absolute Return for Kids (ARK) Jay Alix Alliance for a Green Revolution in Africa Nasser Al-Rashid American Federation of Teachers * Angelopoulos Foundation * Gianna Angelopoulos Anheuser-Busch Foundation Smith and Elizabeth Bagley * Barclays Capital Mary Bing and Doug Ellis Fidelity Charitable Gift Fund * Blue Cross and Blue Shield of North Carolina * Richard Blum and Blum Family Foundation * Booz Allen Hamilton * The Eli and Edythe Broad Foundation * The Sherwood Foundation * Richard and Jackie Caring * Gilbert R. Chagoury Christy and John Mack Foundation * Cisco * Citi Foundation The Clinton Family Foundation * Clinton-Bush Haiti Fund Stephen J. Cloobeck * Roy E. ****rum * Victor P. Dahdaleh & The Victor Phillip Dahdaleh Charitable Foundation The ERANDA Foundation * Robert Disbrow Dubai Foundation Duke Energy Corporation Entergy ExxonMobil * Issam M. Fares & The Wedge Foundation * Joseph T. Ford Wallace W. Fowler Friends of Saudi Arabia Fundacion Telmex Mala Gaonkar Haarman GEMS Education * Ariadne Getty * GIZ - Deutsche Gesellschaft für Internationale * The James R. Greenbaum, Jr. Family Foundation Vin Gupta * Worldwide Support for Development * Hewlett-Packard Company * Hult International Business School * Humana Inc. * ICAP Services North America * Inter-American Development Bank * Sanela D. Jenkins Robert L. Johnson * Walid Juffali Dave Katragadda Kessler Family Foundation Michael and Jena King Laureate International Universities Lukas Lundin MAC AIDS Fund The Marc Haas Foundation * Microsoft * Lakshmi N. Mittal James R. Murdoch Norad (Norwegian Agency for Development Cooperation) * NRG Energy, Inc. * OAS S.A. OCP Corporation Open Society Institute Jonathan M. Orszag * Peter G. Peterson Foundation * Pfizer Inc * PGA Tour, Inc. * Presidential Inaugural Committee Princess Diana Memorial Fund Procter & Gamble * Stewart Rahr Paul D. Reynolds Robertson Foundation Newsmax Media Inc. * Salida Capital Foundation Donald L. Saunders * Joachim Schoss Bernard L. Schwartz Walter H. Shorenstein Arnold H. Simon Bren Simon * Amar Singh Carlos Slim Helú & Fundación Carlos Slim Michael Smurfit * Harold Snyder Sol Goldman Charitable Trust * Steven Spielberg Standard Chartered Bank * Starkey Hearing Foundation * Starkey Hearing Technologies, Inc. * State of Qatar Sterling Stamos Capital Management, LP The Streisand Foundation * Suzlon Energy Ltd. Swedish Postcode Foundation Swiss Reinsurance Company * Nima Taghavi * Tenet Healthcare Corporation * The Annenberg Foundation The Boeing Company The Dow Chemical Company * The ELMA Philanthropies Services (U.S.) Inc. The Ford Foundation * The Goldman Sachs Group, Inc. * The Government of Brunei Darussalam The Howard Gilman Foundation The New York Community Trust * The Roy and Christine Sturgis Charitable & Educational Trust The Sidney E. Frank Foundation The Sultanate of Oman * The Walmart Foundation The Zayed Family Thomson Reuters Torres-Picón Foundation * Toyota Motor North America, Inc. * Tracfone Wireless, Inc. * T.G. Holdings U.S. Green Building Council (USGBC) * UK Department for International Development ( DFID) United Arab Emirates * Verein Aids Life The Walton Family Foundation * Rilin Enterprises * Gerardo Werthein Frank White * The Wyss Foundation * YPY Holding Limited * This list. Where exactly did you get it? I'd like to send it on to some folks I know outside of Obsidian land. What numbersman said, check the link and scroll down to the 25k+-donors file (it's an excel-file). Obama next One can hope that Merkel follows in his footsteps next year. Long live Assad!? Well, they don't call him "Can't Mossad the Assad" without reason. "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy
Valsuelm Posted June 25, 2016 Posted June 25, 2016 (edited) More DNC/ Hillary hax docs released. Pretty much zero doubt that it's genuine at this point, ain't nobody going to fake that number of documents, plus no one seems to be claiming that it's fake just that the hacker is 'Russian'. Well, well, well. What do we have here in the donor list? (Those who in bold are those that got my attention at first glance) $25 million + Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation * Clinton Giustra Enterprise Partnership (Canada) * Fred Eychaner * Frank Giustra, The Radcliffe Foundation Nationale Postcode Loterij * The Children's Investment Fund Foundation $10-25 million AUSAID Stephen L. Bing COPRESIDA Tom Golisano Government of Norway The Hunter Foundation * Kingdom of Saudi Arabia * The Victor Pinchuk Foundation Cheryl and Haim Saban & The Saban Family Foundation * The ELMA Foundation Theodore W. Waitt $5-10 million S. Daniel Abraham Sheikh Mohammed H. Al-Amoudi Susie Tompkins Buell Fund of the Marin Community Foundation * C40 Cities Climate Leadership Group, Inc. * Commonwealth of Australia, DIICC * Elton John AIDS Foundation Government of the Netherlands Irish Aid J.B. and M.K. Pritzker Family Foundation * John D. Mackay Denis J. O'Brien * Michael Schumacher State of Kuwait The Coca-Cola Company * The Rockefeller Foundation The Swedish Postcode Lottery * The Wasserman Foundation * $1-5 million 100 Women in Hedgefunds Absolute Return for Kids (ARK) Jay Alix Alliance for a Green Revolution in Africa Nasser Al-Rashid American Federation of Teachers * Angelopoulos Foundation * Gianna Angelopoulos Anheuser-Busch Foundation Smith and Elizabeth Bagley * Barclays Capital Mary Bing and Doug Ellis Fidelity Charitable Gift Fund * Blue Cross and Blue Shield of North Carolina * Richard Blum and Blum Family Foundation * Booz Allen Hamilton * The Eli and Edythe Broad Foundation * The Sherwood Foundation * Richard and Jackie Caring * Gilbert R. Chagoury Christy and John Mack Foundation * Cisco * Citi Foundation The Clinton Family Foundation * Clinton-Bush Haiti Fund Stephen J. Cloobeck * Roy E. ****rum * Victor P. Dahdaleh & The Victor Phillip Dahdaleh Charitable Foundation The ERANDA Foundation * Robert Disbrow Dubai Foundation Duke Energy Corporation Entergy ExxonMobil * Issam M. Fares & The Wedge Foundation * Joseph T. Ford Wallace W. Fowler Friends of Saudi Arabia Fundacion Telmex Mala Gaonkar Haarman GEMS Education * Ariadne Getty * GIZ - Deutsche Gesellschaft für Internationale * The James R. Greenbaum, Jr. Family Foundation Vin Gupta * Worldwide Support for Development * Hewlett-Packard Company * Hult International Business School * Humana Inc. * ICAP Services North America * Inter-American Development Bank * Sanela D. Jenkins Robert L. Johnson * Walid Juffali Dave Katragadda Kessler Family Foundation Michael and Jena King Laureate International Universities Lukas Lundin MAC AIDS Fund The Marc Haas Foundation * Microsoft * Lakshmi N. Mittal James R. Murdoch Norad (Norwegian Agency for Development Cooperation) * NRG Energy, Inc. * OAS S.A. OCP Corporation Open Society Institute Jonathan M. Orszag * Peter G. Peterson Foundation * Pfizer Inc * PGA Tour, Inc. * Presidential Inaugural Committee Princess Diana Memorial Fund Procter & Gamble * Stewart Rahr Paul D. Reynolds Robertson Foundation Newsmax Media Inc. * Salida Capital Foundation Donald L. Saunders * Joachim Schoss Bernard L. Schwartz Walter H. Shorenstein Arnold H. Simon Bren Simon * Amar Singh Carlos Slim Helú & Fundación Carlos Slim Michael Smurfit * Harold Snyder Sol Goldman Charitable Trust * Steven Spielberg Standard Chartered Bank * Starkey Hearing Foundation * Starkey Hearing Technologies, Inc. * State of Qatar Sterling Stamos Capital Management, LP The Streisand Foundation * Suzlon Energy Ltd. Swedish Postcode Foundation Swiss Reinsurance Company * Nima Taghavi * Tenet Healthcare Corporation * The Annenberg Foundation The Boeing Company The Dow Chemical Company * The ELMA Philanthropies Services (U.S.) Inc. The Ford Foundation * The Goldman Sachs Group, Inc. * The Government of Brunei Darussalam The Howard Gilman Foundation The New York Community Trust * The Roy and Christine Sturgis Charitable & Educational Trust The Sidney E. Frank Foundation The Sultanate of Oman * The Walmart Foundation The Zayed Family Thomson Reuters Torres-Picón Foundation * Toyota Motor North America, Inc. * Tracfone Wireless, Inc. * T.G. Holdings U.S. Green Building Council (USGBC) * UK Department for International Development ( DFID) United Arab Emirates * Verein Aids Life The Walton Family Foundation * Rilin Enterprises * Gerardo Werthein Frank White * The Wyss Foundation * YPY Holding Limited * This list. Where exactly did you get it? I'd like to send it on to some folks I know outside of Obsidian land. What numbersman said, check the link and scroll down to the 25k+-donors file (it's an excel-file). Obama next One can hope that Merkel follows in his footsteps next year. Long live Assad!? Well, they don't call him "Can't Mossad the Assad" without reason. Thanks. I'd done that before. However it opened only to the $25k list. I did not notice the first time that one had to scroll left. Any idea what the asterisks represent? I can't seem to find where that's defined. First time I'd heard Assad called that. Though it's fitting. Israel would have offed him many years ago if they could have, and no doubt they've never stopped actively trying. Truly though, Assad falling would be very very bad for world politik given who wants him gone and why. Long live that guy indeed. And the Mossad can't get to their ultimate home in the deepest depths of hell fast enough. F them forever. Edited June 25, 2016 by Valsuelm
HoonDing Posted June 25, 2016 Posted June 25, 2016 "Government of Norway" what Ctrl + F Sweden lol The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.
Meshugger Posted June 25, 2016 Author Posted June 25, 2016 Well, they don't call him "Can't Mossad the Assad" without reason. Thanks. I'd done that before. However it opened only to the $25k list. I did not notice the first time that one had to scroll left. Any idea what the asterisks represent? I can't seem to find where that's defined. First time I'd heard Assad called that. Though it's fitting. Israel would have offed him many years ago if they could have, and no doubt they've never stopped actively trying. Truly though, Assad falling would be very very bad for world politik given who wants him gone and why. Long live that guy indeed. And the Mossad can't get to their ultimate home in the deepest depths of hell fast enough. F them forever. From my experience with Excel and business, the asterisks are usually the result of a lazy import, meaning they used those as line breaks. But sometimes they botched up the macros and they remain here and there since the coder put exactly the amount of work into it as they paid him to. That doesn't exclude the possibility that they are references to an outside document though, so you have to take it as you will. As for Assad, i think i spotted that meme on Twitter and it simply stuck. 1 "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy
BruceVC Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 Well, they don't call him "Can't Mossad the Assad" without reason. Thanks. I'd done that before. However it opened only to the $25k list. I did not notice the first time that one had to scroll left. Any idea what the asterisks represent? I can't seem to find where that's defined. First time I'd heard Assad called that. Though it's fitting. Israel would have offed him many years ago if they could have, and no doubt they've never stopped actively trying. Truly though, Assad falling would be very very bad for world politik given who wants him gone and why. Long live that guy indeed. And the Mossad can't get to their ultimate home in the deepest depths of hell fast enough. F them forever. From my experience with Excel and business, the asterisks are usually the result of a lazy import, meaning they used those as line breaks. But sometimes they botched up the macros and they remain here and there since the coder put exactly the amount of work into it as they paid him to. That doesn't exclude the possibility that they are references to an outside document though, so you have to take it as you will. As for Assad, i think i spotted that meme on Twitter and it simply stuck. Meshugger, the view that Vals and Oby have that Assad is a survivor and should be respected because he is important in some ME circles do you share that sentiment? "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
Valsuelm Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 (edited) From my experience with Excel and business, the asterisks are usually the result of a lazy import, meaning they used those as line breaks. But sometimes they botched up the macros and they remain here and there since the coder put exactly the amount of work into it as they paid him to. That doesn't exclude the possibility that they are references to an outside document though, so you have to take it as you will. As for Assad, i think i spotted that meme on Twitter and it simply stuck. Thanks. As someone who knows how to use excel, and is pretty good at it (I would have formatted the sheet in a far more intuitively readable way) and regularly works with people who are also competent at using excel, it sometimes eludes me how people can be so bad at it, as it is far from rocket science. I've little doubt you are right though and it's likely just pure failure on the part of the person who made the excel sheet, rather than my failure to interpret their BS. But hey.. I make mistakes and sometimes don't see **** too... Note for anyone not familiar with excel: really, it's amazing how many people makes sheets with this simple program who have no idea what they are doing. It is sometimes my bad when I assume people know what they are doing. I challenge anyone to tell me what those asterisks are, and I thank you if you can do so. Edited June 26, 2016 by Valsuelm
Guard Dog Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell
BruceVC Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 GD I see a real inconsistency in this type of statement, help please to understand this Patraeus and Snowden have both been found guilty of certain crimes...this is fact. Hilary has been accused of crimes....why is she associated with them? When the Cosby rape charges were revealed I said he was a disgrace and he was guilty, I said for this type of crime I dont need a jury to pronounce on his guilt ...to me thats just a technicality I was told by several members that in the USA people are not presumed guilty and there must be a legal obligation for them to go to court before we presume guilt So now it seems people give this courtesy to a truly deviant and reprehensible person like Cosby but Hilary we assume she is guilty before she even goes to court .....do you see why I appears hypocritical ? "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
redneckdevil Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 GD I see a real inconsistency in this type of statement, help please to understand this Patraeus and Snowden have both been found guilty of certain crimes...this is fact. Hilary has been accused of crimes....why is she associated with them? When the Cosby rape charges were revealed I said he was a disgrace and he was guilty, I said for this type of crime I dont need a jury to pronounce on his guilt ...to me thats just a technicality I was told by several members that in the USA people are not presumed guilty and there must be a legal obligation for them to go to court before we presume guilt So now it seems people give this courtesy to a truly deviant and reprehensible person like Cosby but Hilary we assume she is guilty before she even goes to court .....do you see why I appears hypocritical ? I think the thing is it's innocent until proven guilty, not "not guilty" until proven guilty. Innocence assumes that the person "hasn't" done anything wrong while not guilty is a judgement of "didn't" do anything wrong. As to why she's there with them, the only difference is she hasn't been to court yet for some reason I can't fathom, even though there's tons of evidence available to the public that IF was used in a court of law, she would be found guilty. More and more, it keeps looking like this election is rigged. 1
BruceVC Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 GD I see a real inconsistency in this type of statement, help please to understand this Patraeus and Snowden have both been found guilty of certain crimes...this is fact. Hilary has been accused of crimes....why is she associated with them? When the Cosby rape charges were revealed I said he was a disgrace and he was guilty, I said for this type of crime I dont need a jury to pronounce on his guilt ...to me thats just a technicality I was told by several members that in the USA people are not presumed guilty and there must be a legal obligation for them to go to court before we presume guilt So now it seems people give this courtesy to a truly deviant and reprehensible person like Cosby but Hilary we assume she is guilty before she even goes to court .....do you see why I appears hypocritical ? I think the thing is it's innocent until proven guilty, not "not guilty" until proven guilty. Innocence assumes that the person "hasn't" done anything wrong while not guilty is a judgement of "didn't" do anything wrong. As to why she's there with them, the only difference is she hasn't been to court yet for some reason I can't fathom, even though there's tons of evidence available to the public that IF was used in a court of law, she would be found guilty. More and more, it keeps looking like this election is rigged. Okay, but aren't we debating semantics now because this is not about my definition which is based on South Africa crime which is at an unprecedented level I was told by you guys in the USA people are innocent until proven guilty, that concept is simple enough but Hilary has by your own admittance not been guilty in a court of law yet people are fine saying she is guilty. I dont see how she is different? "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
BruceVC Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 GD I see a real inconsistency in this type of statement, help please to understand this Patraeus and Snowden have both been found guilty of certain crimes...this is fact. Hilary has been accused of crimes....why is she associated with them? When the Cosby rape charges were revealed I said he was a disgrace and he was guilty, I said for this type of crime I dont need a jury to pronounce on his guilt ...to me thats just a technicality I was told by several members that in the USA people are not presumed guilty and there must be a legal obligation for them to go to court before we presume guilt So now it seems people give this courtesy to a truly deviant and reprehensible person like Cosby but Hilary we assume she is guilty before she even goes to court .....do you see why I appears hypocritical ? Sure it does. But you are doing the exact same thing. For you Cosby was guilty without the court but now you need court to declare Clinton guilty. You are by far the number one hypocritical on this forum. Beside other horrible things that you are. Sharp_one maybe you and I just dont understand each other...let me ask you a few simple questions and please be honest because I want to help you When you were growing up how was the role of a women explained to you and nowadays what is your understanding of a womens role, so for example do you think the best place for a women is in the kitchen or maybe at your factories where the women love there asses being slapped ....remember that funny story Gay People : I'm sure this is a topic that terrifies you but its okay, dont be afraid of gay people, homosexuality is a type of sexual preference. The majority of gay people are born this way, my advice to you on this topic is the same ...you need to go to gay clubs and see what they like. You may find you really feel comfortable in them Black People : Did anyone ever explain to you that outside of Poland there are other races ...or did you assume that there was only race in the world which was white. I can understand this, it can be little daunting when you realize the world had many different races ..not just white So respond as soon as possible and remember I want to help you "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
Volourn Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 "The majority of gay people are born this way" What does that even mean? That some aren't born that way/ WHAT THE HELL. DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250.
BruceVC Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 "The majority of gay people are born this way" What does that even mean? That some aren't born that way/ WHAT THE HELL. Some people become gay because of abuse ...its rare but it occurs so no they not all born gay "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
BruceVC Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 http://us.cnn.com/2016/06/26/politics/hillary-clinton-leads-donald-trump-polls/index.html A bit of good news for Clinton supporters , its at least predictable and I prefer that considering the BREXIT initial shock "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
Volourn Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 "Some people become gay because of abuse ..." L0L DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250.
Leferd Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 (edited) http://us.cnn.com/2016/06/26/politics/hillary-clinton-leads-donald-trump-polls/index.html A bit of good news for Clinton supporters , its at least predictable and I prefer that considering the BREXIT initial shock I dislike just using one or two polls to make an argument, but FiveThirtyEight grades WashingtonPost/ABC News as an A+ pollster. There's something to that. Looking at the big picture, Clinton has had a steady, and sometimes huge lead in the aggregate over Trump since the start of the campaign season. It's getting closer to final bell and Clinton's been more than capable of absorbing Trump's haymakers. Edited June 26, 2016 by Leferd 1 "Things are funny...are comedic, because they mix the real with the absurd." - Buzz Aldrin."P-O-T-A-T-O-E" - Dan Quayle
BruceVC Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 "Some people become gay because of abuse ..." L0L Volo you should really learn to become a little more knowledgeable on topics you seem to dismiss Yes people can become gay through abuse, this not a hard concept to grasp...I copied this for you Here is the full link http://genderwholeness.com/lds/understanding/what-causes-male-homosexuality/ Sexual Abuse Summary: In addition to its potential role in conditioning sexual arousal, sexual abuse can create or intensify gender incongruity, disaffiliation from other males, and—if the perpetrator is female—fear or hatred of women. It may also create repetitive patterns of compulsive sexual behavior. Sexual abuse occurs when one person uses another for his or her own sexual gratification against their will or without their consent. It occurs when an older and more powerful child engages a younger or smaller child in sexual activity. And it occurs when an adult engages a minor in sexual activity or exposes them to sexually explicit material or language, with or without their consent. Consent implies the ability and maturity to understand what is going on and the possible con¬sequences of it. Since children do not really understand sexuality, they cannot give consent when an older person involves them in sexual behavior. Some examples of sexual abuse include: Being exposed to sexually explicit talk Being exposed by another person to sexually explicit material in magazines, television and video, and on the internet Being exposed as a child to sexually stimulating behavior by older people, whether male or female Being exposed to nudity or to sexual behavior between other people, such as seeing relatives naked or seeing parents or others engage in sex Being touched intimately on the genitals or other parts of the body Being asked or forced to touch another person’s genitals Being asked or forced to have sexual intercourse with another person Sexual abuse can contribute to gender incongruity. Sexual abuse can contribute to gender incongruity. Some boys who are sexually abused by other males wonder about their own sexuality. They know that males are supposed to enjoy having sex with females and so it becomes very confusing for them when a male seems to enjoy having sex with them. This is especially confusing if they became sexually aroused during the abuse. Most boys who are sexually abused experience tremendous feelings of guilt and shame. For some, that shame attacks their sense of masculinity, causing them to feel wrong as a boy. Sexual abuse can contribute to same-sex disaffiliation. Sexual abuse can contribute to same-sex disaffiliation. Some sexually abused boys become fearful of other males or angry and resentful toward them. They may lose trust in their father or an older brother for not protecting them. The depression, anxiety, shame, and low self-esteem often engendered by sexual abuse can cause them isolate themselves from normal activities with peers. And their gender incongruity may compel them to avoid connection with other boys for fear of being seen as “queer.” Sexual abuse can lead to compulsive relational and behavioral patterns. Sexual abuse can lead to compulsive relational and behavioral patterns. Some individuals who have experienced traumatic events or relationships during childhood will unconsciously create circumstances in their adult lives that lead to very similar traumatic events or circumstances. Psychotherapists refer to these patterns as “repetition compulsions.” These patterns can form in response to sexual abuse, resulting in adult sexual behavior that mirrors the abuse. It is believed that repetition compulsions are an unconscious attempt by adults to master or get control of childhood situations in which they had little or no control. It may also be an effort to resolve conflicting emotions around circumstances that elicited contradictory feelings, such as fear or shame and sexual pleasure. While this pattern is not exclusive to individuals with same-sex attraction, we have observed this pattern in the sexual behavior of numerous individuals with whom we have worked. If the sexual perpetrator is female, sexual abuse may create disinterest, disgust, fear, and hatred toward women. If the sexual perpetrator is female, sexual abuse may create disinterest, disgust, fear, and hatred toward women. In our experience, blatant sexual abuse of boys by females occurs only occasionally. More commonly, females sexually abuse boys in less obvious ways, such as having poor boundaries regarding modesty around the house—including dressing immodestly and leaving bathroom doors open—and having poor boundaries regarding sexual talk, such as mothers or sisters discussing their sexual relationships with a boy. Consider the following comments by Helen Wilson, PhD, regarding findings from long-term study on the effects of sexual abuse. “Findings from this investigation provide tentative support for a relationship between childhood sexual abuse and same sex sexual relationships, but this relationship appeared only for men. That is, men with histories of childhood sexual abuse were more likely than men in a control group to report same-sex sexual partnerships…[T]his evidence of a link between court-substantiated cases of childhood sexual abuse and same-sex partnerships reported by adult men 30 years later is a notable finding that adds to the literature on this topic…. However, the data available in this study did not provide information about when same-sex sexual attractions first emerged and whether this predated or followed the sexual abuse. We also do not know what characteristics associated with the abuse (e.g., frequency, intensity, duration) might account for the relationship with adult sexual partnerships. It is also important to note that very few participants reported exclusively same-sex sexual relationships. Thus, it is possible that childhood sexual abuse increased the likelihood that men would experiment with both same- and opposite-sex partners…. While this prospective evidence linking childhood sexual abuse to same-sex sexual partnerships in men suggests an increased likelihood, these findings do not suggest that same-sex sexual orientation is caused by child abuse.” Wilson, Helen W., PhD, and Widom, Cathy Spatz, PhD. (Jan. 7, 2009). Does Physical Abuse, Sexual Abuse, or Neglect in Childhood Increase the Likelihood of Same-sex Sexual Relationships and Cohabitation? A Prospective 30-Year Follow-up. Archives of Sexual Behavior, vol. 39 (1). Obtained from http://borngay.procon.org/ "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
redneckdevil Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 (edited) GD I see a real inconsistency in this type of statement, help please to understand this Patraeus and Snowden have both been found guilty of certain crimes...this is fact. Hilary has been accused of crimes....why is she associated with them? When the Cosby rape charges were revealed I said he was a disgrace and he was guilty, I said for this type of crime I dont need a jury to pronounce on his guilt ...to me thats just a technicality I was told by several members that in the USA people are not presumed guilty and there must be a legal obligation for them to go to court before we presume guilt So now it seems people give this courtesy to a truly deviant and reprehensible person like Cosby but Hilary we assume she is guilty before she even goes to court .....do you see why I appears hypocritical ? I think the thing is it's innocent until proven guilty, not "not guilty" until proven guilty. Innocence assumes that the person "hasn't" done anything wrong while not guilty is a judgement of "didn't" do anything wrong.As to why she's there with them, the only difference is she hasn't been to court yet for some reason I can't fathom, even though there's tons of evidence available to the public that IF was used in a court of law, she would be found guilty. More and more, it keeps looking like this election is rigged. Okay, but aren't we debating semantics now because this is not about my definition which is based on South Africa crime which is at an unprecedented level I was told by you guys in the USA people are innocent until proven guilty, that concept is simple enough but Hilary has by your own admittance not been guilty in a court of law yet people are fine saying she is guilty. I dont see how she is different? okay, think of it this way for example. Person gets caught WHILE in the process of doing a crime. It's on video, several eye witnesses, the whole shebang. When brought into court to have the case taken care, the court isn't just gonna hand out a punishment and then move on. Innocent until proven guilty means that every citizen has the right to try their case and have someone PROVE that they did something. You knew the person was guilty before the trial, but at the trial, the person has to be taken as an innocent person to the court only UNTIL the court proves they did something wrong and then person who did it gets punished. It's not the public that is caged by the rule, but it's the law who is because they deliver the punishment. So yes I can says she's guilty and say it now and before and during and after the trial IF it ever does and to me she's guilty. I don't enforce the law, the courts do, so they are the only ones who have to view them as innocent when the case first starts because they are the ones who enforce and punish if laws broken LEGALLY. Sometimes the public has had to step rightfully and wrongefully, because the court system would rule them that way. I'm a bit stoned so hopefully this came out legible. Edited June 26, 2016 by redneckdevil 1
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