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  On 12/21/2015 at 11:49 AM, TrueNeutral said:

 

  On 12/21/2015 at 1:33 AM, Drowsy Emperor said:

Its part of a general trend of having young actors replace everyone unless absolutely necessary. How often do you now a see a full cast of grown men in a film? Like in the Indiana Jones movies? If you're over forty, or you look it - you're not going to get a part most of the time.  

 

Society wide obsession with youth, flawless good looks, abs on men, perfectly thin women etc..

 

If you don't believe me, check out how older women now dress. Exactly the same as the 20 year old girls for the most part. 

 

 

Naturally, having baby faced young men playing galactic leaders and villains is going to be laughable. Its like the superhero nonsense - a power trip for teenagers, getting to be something for nothing, skilled, powerful, experienced - but without all the work that goes into actually becoming it. Wrecking skyscrapers, beating up whole gangs and monsters without messing up your hair, clothes and good looks in the process.

While I feel like you're ridiculously overstating this and obviously bringing your own baggage of inferiority, I did watch Ghostbusters recently and realized there will never again be a movie cast quite like that.

 

  On 12/21/2015 at 1:12 AM, Drowsy Emperor said:

The point is he doesn't look or act the role of a military leader.

Yes, but my point was exactly that? He's Hitler Jugend. He's a fresh faced true believer for Snoke to use as he will, and he brought his own contigent of resoc'd space marines with him. He's not there to be a leader - he considers his troops to be self-sufficient which comes back to bite him in the butt when Finn betrays him. I've got no issues with either Hux or Kylo Ren's age, my issue with the villains is that Snoke didn't feel threatening. If Snoke felt threatening, they would have. Instead, Snoke is 100% reactionary and not a plot driving force in this movie.

 

 

Bringing my own baggage of inferiority?

 

Your point makes no sense. Hitler Jugend made sense when there's Hitler and the rest of the men in the nazi party. Grown men fight and die for the remnants of the empire, following a man that no man could ever follow, that looks and acts like a child and can't deliver a speech to save his life. Same goes for Ren. If they're not following them, who are they following then? Snoke? There has to be a face of authority for the whole thing to be credible.

 

I don't usually like to delve deep into trivial things like this, the point that everyone was trying to make (apart from you and Rostere) is that the cast of villains are not convincing for a multitude of reasons and that while you might find that okay from your point of view that justifies their ineptitude, to the rest of us its just damn silly.

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И погибе Српски кнез Лазаре,
И његова сва изгибе војска, 
Седамдесет и седам иљада;
Све је свето и честито било
И миломе Богу приступачно.

 

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I didn't mean that to be an insult. Just... you're obviously old.

 

As for men following, the movie points out that the First Order has some clone armies and this specific one was brainwashed. Finn took off his helmet without orders and that was enough for him to be sent to "resocialisation". Who's following by choice? He doesn't need to inspire jack ****. It's more logical than Vader, who has been in office killing his underlings so long that he should have none left. We're talking about the army mechanics of Star Wars here.

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Was there any explanation on why the First Order is trying to out-Nazi the Empire? 

"Some men see things as they are and say why?"
"I dream things that never were and say why not?"
- George Bernard Shaw

"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."
- Friedrich Nietzsche

 

"The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it."

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Oh well

"Some men see things as they are and say why?"
"I dream things that never were and say why not?"
- George Bernard Shaw

"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."
- Friedrich Nietzsche

 

"The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it."

- Some guy 

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I've always seen Drowsy as the drunk Uncle of the forums.  That is meant as the highest compliment.

 

https://youtu.be/qHphZpCUHko?list=PLvJQozye4lE8LhvqvEvNhhuVsZQXOPwzk

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHphZpCUHko&index=4&list=PLvJQozye4lE8LhvqvEvNhhuVsZQXOPwzk

 

bleh, no idea what is happening with my attempt to link.

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  On 12/21/2015 at 5:23 PM, ShadySands said:

Finally caught this last night

 

 

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  On 12/21/2015 at 4:20 PM, Meshugger said:

Was there any explanation on why the First Order is trying to out-Nazi the Empire?

 

They're edgy teenagers who are trying to beat their parents at Empiring.

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"Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic

"you're a damned filthy lying robot and you deserve to die and burn in hell." - Bartimaeus

"Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander

"Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador

"You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort

"thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex

"Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock

"Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco

"we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii

"I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing

"feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth

"Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi

"Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor

"I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine

"I love cheese despite the pain and carnage." - ShadySands

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  On 12/21/2015 at 4:11 PM, TrueNeutral said:

I didn't mean that to be an insult. Just... you're obviously old.

 

As for men following, the movie points out that the First Order has some clone armies and this specific one was brainwashed. Finn took off his helmet without orders and that was enough for him to be sent to "resocialisation". Who's following by choice? He doesn't need to inspire jack ****. It's more logical than Vader, who has been in office killing his underlings so long that he should have none left. We're talking about the army mechanics of Star Wars here.

 

I'm 28

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И погибе Српски кнез Лазаре,
И његова сва изгибе војска, 
Седамдесет и седам иљада;
Све је свето и честито било
И миломе Богу приступачно.

 

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  On 12/21/2015 at 4:25 PM, Hurlshot said:

I've always seen Drowsy as the drunk Uncle of the forums.  That is meant as the highest compliment.

 

https://youtu.be/qHphZpCUHko?list=PLvJQozye4lE8LhvqvEvNhhuVsZQXOPwzk

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHphZpCUHko&index=4&list=PLvJQozye4lE8LhvqvEvNhhuVsZQXOPwzk

 

bleh, no idea what is happening with my attempt to link.

 

Its a thankless job but someone has to do it. Sober!

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И погибе Српски кнез Лазаре,
И његова сва изгибе војска, 
Седамдесет и седам иљада;
Све је свето и честито било
И миломе Богу приступачно.

 

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Abrams said in a recent interview that one of the things he most wanted about Kylo Ren was for him not to be a fully formed, complete Villain. But much more of a work in progress, someone who is still kind of using the training wheels and on the path to becoming a complete villain. So that there would be the potential of the new trilogy showing that growth as much as you see the heroic characters evolve.

 

I guess in many ways it'll be hard to judge until you have all three to watch together, whether the complete trilogy will satisfy the potential flaws if this had just been a solo film meant to stand on its own merits rather than as just the first third of a story.

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  On 12/21/2015 at 8:11 PM, Drowsy Emperor said:

 

I'm 28

 

 

Wow, how many kids do you have?

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  On 12/21/2015 at 8:11 PM, Drowsy Emperor said:

I'm 28

We'll all miss you dearly when you go. sad.png

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In my dreams, I am not crippled. In my dreams, I dance.

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  On 12/21/2015 at 8:12 PM, Drowsy Emperor said:

Sober!

Yeah right, a sober Serb. :p

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After couple days of pondering 

 

 

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I loved bb-8, like R2 but with less confidence. Him and Chopper from Star Wars Rebels are amazingly the characters with most personality in each of their series

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The area between the balls and the butt is a hotbed of terrorist activity.

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  On 12/21/2015 at 9:27 PM, Malcador said:

 

  On 12/21/2015 at 8:12 PM, Drowsy Emperor said:

Sober!

Yeah right, a sober Serb. :p

 

 

A travesty I know.

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И погибе Српски кнез Лазаре,
И његова сва изгибе војска, 
Седамдесет и седам иљада;
Све је свето и честито било
И миломе Богу приступачно.

 

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  On 12/21/2015 at 8:44 PM, Sarex said:

 

  On 12/21/2015 at 8:11 PM, Drowsy Emperor said:

 

I'm 28

 

 

Wow, how many kids do you have?

 

 

Only Kylo Ren and I'm disappoint with that boy

И погибе Српски кнез Лазаре,
И његова сва изгибе војска, 
Седамдесет и седам иљада;
Све је свето и честито било
И миломе Богу приступачно.

 

Posted (edited)
  On 12/21/2015 at 8:11 PM, Drowsy Emperor said:

I'm 28

But... your example of not casting people who look too young was Indiana Jones, starring Harrison Ford, the man who looks so much younger than his age that they cast a man only ten years his senior to play his elderly, stuffy father and nobody even noticed. That's the kind of mistake that can only come from someone so ancient and stuffy they can't remember what young people even look like... Not someone my age. In short - for my own faith in humankind, I've decided to not even believe you.

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  On 12/21/2015 at 9:55 PM, TrueNeutral said:

 

  On 12/21/2015 at 8:11 PM, Drowsy Emperor said:

I'm 28

But... your example of not casting people who look too young was Indiana Jones, starring Harrison Ford, the man who looks so much younger than his age that they cast a man only ten years his senior to play his elderly, stuffy father and nobody even noticed. That's the kind of mistake that can only come from someone so ancient and stuffy they can't remember what young people even look like... Not someone my age. In short - for my own faith in humankind, I've decided to not even believe you.

 

 

Its not that Harrison Ford looked younger (he was 36 or so at the time and that seemed about right), its Sean Connery that entered a well preserved state that lasted for the next thirty years. Anyway, they both looked manly... but in Indy 4 we we treated to this:

 

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Why is that face in front of the camera? WHYYYY

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И погибе Српски кнез Лазаре,
И његова сва изгибе војска, 
Седамдесет и седам иљада;
Све је свето и честито било
И миломе Богу приступачно.

 

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*shudders* Get it away, I'm getting post-traumatic flashbacks to the scene where he swings from vines with a bunch of monkeys!

 

EDIT: Seriously though, when Last Crusade came out Ford was 50 and Connery was 60 (give or take a month or two). Ford looks significantly younger than his age.

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Bah, why have manly middle aged men when you can have sensitive, troubled, edgy teenagers in their early thirties instead? 

 

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I mean, just look at the guy. So passé, no real gentleman of this day would care about someone looking like that, and certainly the women would find him absolutely revolting. Yuck, yuck, yuck.

"Some men see things as they are and say why?"
"I dream things that never were and say why not?"
- George Bernard Shaw

"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."
- Friedrich Nietzsche

 

"The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it."

- Some guy 

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