How to approach issues of sensitivity

[Valsuelm]

 

 

 

Are you saying that the LGBT community in your area actively discriminates against you? If that's the case then I can understand a bit of your hostility toward them, but then aren't you doing the same thing to them? That seems like a vicious circle.

 

There is no LGBT community in my area. Gay people kicked them out when they wanted to start some protests or whatever.

I'm talking in general. Just look at the OP. Bashing me for having an opinion. Well not personally, but if "white heterosexual males shouldn't speak" or "kill all men" shouldn't offend me personally then neither should my rants about LGBT in general or the limerick in PoE as those are not aimed at specific person.

 

As for the vicious circle, I'm not a big fan of turning the other cheek. In fact most people aren't.

What LGBT is building up is a mass hate that will eventually turn bloody. And innocent homosexuals etc. that are not part of and don't want to be a part of LGBT movements will get killed. That's how people are.

 

What do you mean Gay people kicked them out ?

 

The word LGBT stands for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender

 

How can Gay people kick themselves out of your area?

 

 

Believe it or not Bruce, not all gay, lesbian, bisexual, or transgender people agree with all that the various 'LGBT movement' groups say or do in their name. In fact, most gay people I personally know disagree with a great deal of what they say and do, some quite vehemently.

 

It's not unlike the fact that a great deal of black people don't agree with what the Rainbow Coalition or NAACP says or does in their name. Or the fact that a lot of older people don't agree with what the AARP says and does in their name.

Edited April 8, 2015 by Valsuelm

[barakav]

The U.S. is one hell of a bigger melting pot of cultures than Israel is.

 

There's good food in every nation. It's always a matter of knowing where the good places are.

 

Kosher food is generally of better quality than what one will find in most of the rest of the west because it's generally held to higher quality standards than the industrial food supply companies have (the companies that supply most restaurants and grocery stores in the west). The same is true of Amish food.

 

In Israel the Kosher industry is corrupted and they accept everything with the right bribe. There was a news report a while ago that checked most of the kosher meat in our more Orthodox supermarkets in European labs and they discovered that some places added huge amount of water injections to the meat. Sometimes half the weight was water.

 

This is not the case with non kosher meat or general restaurant meat (and you can taste the difference).

 

And the US farmers are feeding their cows with cheap corn and sometimes reusing some part of their own feces as food . Here the meat in the restaurants is either south American or (usually) local and is fed with either grass or local wheat. And your fruits and vegetables are beautiful but disgusting ,here they are sweet and full of taste.

 

And at least from what I was told you don't have a lot of restaurants that  make combined meals of western/middle eastern and eastern food together (you can't eat western meat as kebab with humus in most places ). This is very common here.

 

I have family in the US and they are living there for more than 20 years and while it is probable that they haven't been in many good restaurants they did travel a lot  and they  all agree that the food here is better.

Edited April 8, 2015 by barakav

[BruceVC]

 

 

 

 

Are you saying that the LGBT community in your area actively discriminates against you? If that's the case then I can understand a bit of your hostility toward them, but then aren't you doing the same thing to them? That seems like a vicious circle.

 

There is no LGBT community in my area. Gay people kicked them out when they wanted to start some protests or whatever.

I'm talking in general. Just look at the OP. Bashing me for having an opinion. Well not personally, but if "white heterosexual males shouldn't speak" or "kill all men" shouldn't offend me personally then neither should my rants about LGBT in general or the limerick in PoE as those are not aimed at specific person.

 

As for the vicious circle, I'm not a big fan of turning the other cheek. In fact most people aren't.

What LGBT is building up is a mass hate that will eventually turn bloody. And innocent homosexuals etc. that are not part of and don't want to be a part of LGBT movements will get killed. That's how people are.

 

What do you mean Gay people kicked them out ?

 

The word LGBT stands for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender

 

How can Gay people kick themselves out of your area?

 

 

Believe it or not Bruce, not all gay, lesbian, bisexual, or transgender people agree with all that the various 'LGBT movement' groups say or do in their name. In fact, most gay people I personally know disagree with a great deal of what they say and do, some quite vehemently.

 

It's not unlike the fact that a great deal of black people don't agree with what the Rainbow Coalition or NAACP says or does in their name. Or the fact that a lot of older people don't agree with what the AARP says and does in their name.

 

 

Yes I am well aware of that but the suggestion that some Gay people are going to forcibly remove\kick-out other Gay people from an area I find hard to believe 

[kgambit]

We.re not talking about sausages anymore?

 

Well I'll just leave this here anyway ......

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo455T-66UM

[Valsuelm]

We.re not talking about sausages anymore?

 

This entire thread is about sausages in one way or another.

 

People's favorite types of sausages, People's favorite way to prepare sausages. People who have sausages but think they don't. People who have sausages but wish they didn't. People who don't have sausages but wish they did.  People who don't think your opinion matters if you have a sausage but don't want more. And so on.

[Gfted1]

That reminds me I need to refill my propane tank. My wife has been bugging me to grill some brauts.

[BruceVC]

We.re not talking about sausages anymore?

 

Well I'll just leave this here anyway ......

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo455T-66UM

Okay that video was really good and it made me hungry

 

I see that cook says you mustn't prick the skin, I always do because then the steam can escape and there is less chance of the sausage splitting ?

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

That reminds me I need to refill my propane tank. My wife has been bugging me to grill some brauts.

Use mesquite or hickory like a real man.

[Hurlshort]

Never prick the skin!

 

Seriously, that's blasphemous.

[Valsuelm]

 

We.re not talking about sausages anymore?

 

Well I'll just leave this here anyway ......

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo455T-66UM

Okay that video was really good and it made me hungry

 

I see that cook says you mustn't prick the skin, I always do because then the steam can escape and there is less chance of the sausage splitting ?

 

Yea... don't prick the skin. That's an amateur move.

 

Cooking sausages well takes some practice. You've got to get the right temperature. Note how the cook says the temp is low. Slow cooking sausages is the way to go (slow cooking is the way to go for a lot of things). You won't split them if you cook them right, and they will be much juicier and tastier.

Edited April 8, 2015 by Valsuelm

[ShadySands]

When I was a kid mesquite was all anyone ever used and I was in awe the first time I actually saw a propane grill or even a grill that wasn't homemade

 

People would roam the desert collecting wood during the week then drive around selling it from the back of a truck

[Amentep]

Yes I am well aware of that but the suggestion that some Gay people are going to forcibly remove\kick-out other Gay people from an area I find hard to believe

I read it as an outside of the local area LGBT group came in trying to stir something up, the local gay population told them they didn't want any part of it, the outside group left.

[Malcador]

LBGTensian heresies.

[Valsuelm]

When I was a kid mesquite was all anyone ever used and I was in awe the first time I actually saw a propane grill or even a grill that wasn't homemade

 

People would roam the desert collecting wood during the week then drive around selling it from the back of a truck

 

Mesquite, hickory, or other good wood > charcoal > propane or other gas > electric.

[Tsuga C]

 

This is satire, right?

I hope so.

 

No, it's a freak show on parade and a glaring example of why the West is in decline.

[BruceVC]

 

Yes I am well aware of that but the suggestion that some Gay people are going to forcibly remove\kick-out other Gay people from an area I find hard to believe

I read it as an outside of the local area LGBT group came in trying to stir something up, the local gay population told them they didn't want any part of it, the outside group left.

 

You right that could be what he meant, I just don't believe it 

 

 

The LGBT community faces enough discrimination on a daily faces from  people who push a homophobic agenda  I find it hard to believe they would discriminate against themselves like that especially in a place like Poland which is relatively conservative about gay rights anyway. I would think the LGBT community would stick together but you never know 

[Hurlshort]

Charcoal or wood is great for a weekend, but on a weeknight you can't beat the ease of a good propane grill.

[BruceVC]

 

 

This is satire, right?

I hope so.

 

No, it's a freak show on parade and a glaring example of why the West is in decline.

 

 

You think the solution is to follow Russia which has implemented Homophobic laws? Would following Russia make the West stronger ?

[Gfted1]

Wood, and especially charcoal, is too much of a pita for me. Turn on the gas, hit the igniter and let it heat up for a bit. Dang, now I have a taste for a T-bone.

[Amentep]

 

 

Yes I am well aware of that but the suggestion that some Gay people are going to forcibly remove\kick-out other Gay people from an area I find hard to believe

I read it as an outside of the local area LGBT group came in trying to stir something up, the local gay population told them they didn't want any part of it, the outside group left.

 

You right that could be what he meant, I just don't believe it 

 

 

The LGBT community faces enough discrimination on a daily faces from  people who push a homophobic agenda  I find it hard to believe they would discriminate against themselves like that especially in a place like Poland which is relatively conservative about gay rights anyway. I would think the LGBT community would stick together but you never know 

 

 

Why would you support someone you think is doing more harm to you than good?  Not everyone agrees with the path of an organization even if the organization is nominally "for" them. 

 

This isn't an LGBT example, but I know a local college had a group of students create a second African-American student organization because they felt the existing organization didn't give enough support to the causes and programs that that group of students felt was important.

[Amentep]

I'm not sure I really wanted the mental image in my head of people snatching Putin's sausage...

[Valsuelm]

 

 

Believe it or not Bruce, not all gay, lesbian, bisexual, or transgender people agree with all that the various 'LGBT movement' groups say or do in their name. In fact, most gay people I personally know disagree with a great deal of what they say and do, some quite vehemently.

 

It's not unlike the fact that a great deal of black people don't agree with what the Rainbow Coalition or NAACP says or does in their name. Or the fact that a lot of older people don't agree with what the AARP says and does in their name.

 

 

Yes I am well aware of that ....

 

 

 

 

 

Yes I am well aware of that but the suggestion that some Gay people are going to forcibly remove\kick-out other Gay people from an area I find hard to believe

I read it as an outside of the local area LGBT group came in trying to stir something up, the local gay population told them they didn't want any part of it, the outside group left.

 

You right that could be what he meant, I just don't believe it 

 

 

The LGBT community faces enough discrimination on a daily faces from  people who push a homophobic agenda  I find it hard to believe they would discriminate against themselves like that especially in a place like Poland which is relatively conservative about gay rights anyway. I would think the LGBT community would stick together but you never know 

 

 

How do you reconcile these two conflicting thoughts in your head?

 

You say you're aware of and acknowledge that not all gay, lesbian, bisexual, or transgender people agree with all that the various 'LGBT movement' groups say or do in their name. Yet you also find it hard to believe said people who don't agree with such groups would tell such groups to F off rather than let them speak for them in a manner they disagree with.

 

It stands to simple and basic reason that one would follow the other.

 

ie: A Jew who disagrees with Netanyahu is likely to get more upset with him than a non-Jew when Netanyahu has the audacity to start speaking for all Jews. Pretending he has all of their voices behind his as well.

 

ie: I don't like Obama. But I'd get down right pissed off at him if he showed up in my town and had the audacity to start speaking on my behalf on something that I don't agree with him on. Pretending that he has my voice behind his as well.

 

Similar examples would be Feminist X speaking for all women, or the ones I gave earlier of the AARP speaking for all retired people, or NAACP and the Rainbow Coalition speaking for all black people.

 

And as an aside, all of the examples of audacious folks are also examples of dishonest and disingenuous folks.

Edited April 8, 2015 by Valsuelm

[Valsuelm]

 

I'm not sure I really wanted the mental image in my head of people snatching Putin's sausage...

 

It saddens me also to imagine Sadimir Putin with empty plate before him. 

 

 

Do not be sad. Putin gets to feast on this sumptuous looking delicatessen. He eats well.

[Volourn]

"If you are a white heterosexual male, you don't have a right to  comment on what is offensive to minorities or not. 

 

This might be hard to understand for the average white heterosexual man since he is used to always be in positions of power, if not taken by his own body atleast by others with a similar body. You dont have a say in everything, especially things that you have no idea whatsoever about."
 

LOok at this stupidity.

[LadyCrimson]

This has got to be one of the strangest thread directional sprawls I've seen.
Sausage worship and LGBT community discussion/debate/concerns should perhaps be left to separate threads, even in WoT. Feel free to make them if you wish, but I'm going to close this one.