Scottish Independence?

[obyknven]

Nice, 110% voted. In last times when we see similar images all media use them as proof of terrible totalitarianism in our country.

[Meshugger]

 

Alba gu Bráth, fellas! This is it! 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ooooh, nevermind. Back to laughing at SJW-journos then.

[Kroney]

 

 

They are as divided as an independent Scotland and Great Britain would be though. So divided we fall isn't much relevance here. Unless Scotland is going to not be an ally to the UK and EU and US for some reason.

Well that is the concern actually, there are many people in Scotland who question the military involvement of the UK in various areas. So it would have been highly unlikely an independent Scotland would have been involved in any UK military missions. And obviously this would have weakened the overall UK military mission going forward

Under independence, their armed forces would have been 300 thousand men, two frigates and six helicopters; it's not like anyone would have noticed whether they took part or didn't.

 

As it stands, they're not going to be able to dictate whether we go to war or not.

Edited September 19, 2014 by Kroney

[Kroney]

so, scotland still gets all those wonderful parting gifts cameron promised just 'cause they played the Secession Game, yes?

 

HA! Good Fun!

I don't see anything wrong with nations within the UK being autonomous at all. It's more likely to hold the UK together in the long run. It's a highly fractious arrangement and, as seen, unpopular with as nearly as many people as for whom it's popular.

[Kroney]

presumptive Englishman

Possibly, though I bet I've got more justification to hang a saltire than you do, Susan.

[HoonDing]

Blame the French!

 

[Monte Carlo]

Dammit. I really wanted them to bugger off.

[obyknven]

Scott's don't want independence seriously. Same story in Catalonia. They can blah-blah and have wet fantasies about this, but don't want sacrifice own lives for it In difference with Irish people, Croatians, East Ukrainians or Chechens. Freedom and independence can be conquered only by forse of weapon in armed struggle, all other "methods" is profanation.  Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi.

 

[Kroney]

So the next big question is the West Lothian question and what that throws up. For those that aren't aware, due to the lack of a separate, English parliament, Scottish MPs can vote on Scottish-only matters (ie. matters brought to the Scottish parliament) and English MPs can't. Conversely, because there's no dedicated English parliament, Scottish MPs can vote on English-only matters.

 

The obvious answer is to have an English parliament. However, by removing that problem, you could easily create a situation whereby a Labour government, which happens to have a majority of MPs elected to seats in Scotland, being unable to bring a majority to bear in Westminster. So you have a majority Government without a majority.

 

Federal Britain, please.

[JadedWolf]

So the next big question is the West Lothian question and what that throws up. For those that aren't aware, due to the lack of a separate, English parliament, Scottish MPs can vote on Scottish-only matters (ie. matters brought to the Scottish parliament) and English MPs can't. Conversely, because there's no dedicated English parliament, Scottish MPs can vote on English-only matters.

 

The obvious answer is to have an English parliament. However, by removing that problem, you could easily create a situation whereby a Labour government, which happens to have a majority of MPs elected to seats in Scotland, being unable to bring a majority to bear in Westminster. So you have a majority Government without a majority.

 

Federal Britain, please.

 

Tough luck, old boy. You can't threaten to go and declare independence, so Cameron doesn't care.

[ShadySands]

Sad day. 

 

My normally unflappable English coworker was really frothing at the mouth mad about this and I was hoping they'd vote yes so I could see just how purple he could turn

[HoonDing]

In honour of the greatest Scotsman of all time

 

[Namutree]

In honour of the greatest Scotsman of all time

 

How anyone could have a problem with gay people after listening to queen is beyond me. 

[Raithe]

<innocently whistles>

 

Edited September 19, 2014 by Raithe

[Malcador]

Better luck next time, Scotland

[Gorth]

So, are the English planning to secede from the Union next?

[obyknven]

http://youtu.be/kUR-HgAtwtg

independence ha-ha-ha, serfs must known their place

 

[Raithe]

It does kind of amuse me that the Chinese media have been running coverage of this referendum in the line of "Instability and unrest caused by too much democracy. Look at the waning of a once great nation due to not strict enough social order..."

[Wrath of Dagon]

<innocently whistles>

You guys should insist on devolution. May be you'll wind up with the kind of Federalism that's supposedly guaranteed by our Constitution. In related news, a significant percentage of Americans would like to secede: http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0HE19U20140919?irpc=932

[ManifestedISO]

 

presumptive Englishman

Possibly, though I bet I've got more justification to hang a saltire than you do, Susan.

 

 

It's Nancy, actually, and I watch Braveheart once a year, drink Scotch like an unemployed miner during every The Open Championship--easily plenty enough times to know all there is to know, about wherever Scotland is. 

[Namutree]

 

<innocently whistles>

You guys should insist on devolution. May be you'll wind up with the kind of Federalism that's supposedly guaranteed by our Constitution. In related news, a significant percentage of Americans would like to secede: http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0HE19U20140919?irpc=932

 

The idea of secession has really skyrocketed recently. It'll never happen, but it is weird.

[Longknife]

http://youtu.be/kUR-HgAtwtg

independence ha-ha-ha, serfs must known their place

 

 

I don't know if I should laugh or cry at this.

It was only made worse by all the youtube comments agreeing this is definitive and irrefutable proof of it being rigged.

[Namutree]

 

http://youtu.be/kUR-HgAtwtg

independence ha-ha-ha, serfs must known their place

 

 

I don't know if I should laugh or cry at this.

It was only made worse by all the youtube comments agreeing this is definitive and irrefutable proof of it being rigged.

 

Laughing is better.

[Orogun01]

To be honest I kind of expected this outcome.

[Kroney]

 

 

 

presumptive Englishman

Possibly, though I bet I've got more justification to hang a saltire than you do, Susan.

It's Nancy, actually, and I watch Braveheart once a year, drink Scotch like an unemployed miner during every The Open Championship--easily plenty enough times to know all there is to know, about wherever Scotland is.

Actually, I take it back, chuck a cardiac event at 35 in there and you could be a native.