Shevek Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 We have our method of picking locks for our kinds of locks. Perhaps advanced locks in PE could be a bit more intricate and thus picks in this world may be thinner and more susceptible to break. Who knows... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte Carlo Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Can we ram a bag of black powder into the mock mechanism and blow the mutha up instead? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamerlane Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Can we ram a bag of black powder into the mock mechanism and blow the mutha up instead? I loved how KotOR 2 handled lock bashing, making it feasible but with the risk of destroying the contents of a container. Kinda trivialized door locks, though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte Carlo Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 If they have firearms in the game they really need to consider the fact that we'll want to use them to shoot at locks. I never played either of the KotOR games, but liked the NWN2 mechanic that was similar. All containers and locks, unless especially armoured / complex / magical should be destroyable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huinehtar Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Thanks Sensuki for sharing this interview! Concerning "great women/men" of History, leading revolts (with success or not), I recommend the "Book of Ash" (or "Ash: A Secret History") written by Mary Gentle, it's a great SciFi/Fantasy story (even if Mary Gentle herself consider these novels more as SciFi than Fantasy, that I agree), concerning some kind of utopia/"alternative past" in the late middle ages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
septembervirgin Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 (edited) Hey, I just sort of thought *some* people didn't want bundles of skeleton key disintegrating lockpicks to add a 1:1 bonus to lockpicking skill. So there it is. If you genuinely love the idea, love it further. If you're just leaping to the defense of a concept that really shouldn't arise as a reality, go for that too. I guess I'm the only one who doesn't like the idea of ablative lock picks. As to lock picks being made on the sly, hey, I guess they're not bought in *stores* then? I sorta imagined it would be like security spikes. If lockpicks are being made, there's probably a tradition to making them, and craft technique improves over time. Given no real shortage in iron (unless there is a shortage in iron) and given that some lockpicks are likely to be superior in quality to other lockpicks, the superior lockpicks would be chosen over inferior lockpicks. But any set of rationales could be given to having icicle lockpicks. I really don't care to defend my position any further, as imagination can be berated at length without agreement. And I am obviously not the only one who feels that lockpicks shouldn't be self-eliminating -- if there's not just one Furry in the world, there's at least three were-tigers. So I can use "we" with impunity, even if I'm impugned as royalty for using the term. It's not really the royal we, just an assumptive we. Edited October 28, 2012 by septembervirgin "This is what most people do not understand about Colbert and Silverman. They only mock fictional celebrities, celebrities who destroy their selfhood to unify with the wants of the people, celebrities who are transfixed by the evil hungers of the public. Feed us a Gomorrah built up of luminous dreams, we beg. Here it is, they say, and it looks like your steaming brains." " If you've read Hart's Hope, Neveryona, Infinity Concerto, Tales of the Flat Earth, you've pretty much played Dragon Age." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karranthain Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 If they have firearms in the game they really need to consider the fact that we'll want to use them to shoot at locks. I never played either of the KotOR games, but liked the NWN2 mechanic that was similar. All containers and locks, unless especially armoured / complex / magical should be destroyable. I would've liked that. But I hope that the ammo won't be plentiful enough to render that choice a no-brainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slumpy Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 In the spirit of taking a single developer comment and blowing it up out of all proportion, I was interested in finding out about Josh's taste in music. I would personally like to see those influences feed into the soundtrack of the game. I'm also interested in the concept of saints in a world where gods are a matter of fact rather than faith. It seems like a bunch of work has already been done on world background and history - that's the stuff that I'm looking forward to, more so than mechanical details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sensuki Posted October 28, 2012 Author Share Posted October 28, 2012 I haven't seen Justin mention anything that wasn't classically based so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shevek Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 If they have firearms in the game they really need to consider the fact that we'll want to use them to shoot at locks. I never played either of the KotOR games, but liked the NWN2 mechanic that was similar. All containers and locks, unless especially armoured / complex / magical should be destroyable. Well, we had acid sprays and fireballs before and couldnt use those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte Carlo Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 ^ That's a very good point, perhaps they could change it with a context box for that ability? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFSOCC Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Also, the "mechanic tools" analogy is faulty. Someone who isn't a master mechanic can, in fact, break master craft mechanic tools. And that's what we're discussing here.... a character with 75 lockpicking skill trying to use a tool to pick a lock that is otherwise beyond his skills to pick. Who's to say that he's not breaking that lockpick because he's using it wrong? if he's using it wrong it shouldn't confer a bonus.and I can tell you that I absolutely hated the oblivion lockpicks. Remember: Argue the point, not the person. Remain polite and constructive. Friendly forums have friendly debate. There's no shame in being wrong. If you don't have something to add, don't post for the sake of it. And don't be afraid to post thoughts you are uncertain about, that's what discussion is for.---Pet threads, everyone has them. I love imagining Gods, Monsters, Factions and Weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabain Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 I thought I'd put a link to some of the Hudson River School art, mentioned as inspiration in the interview. A lot of the images have a similar feel to the screenshot we got, I have to say I like it. http://www.metmuseum...urs/hd_hurs.htm 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaesun Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 All containers and locks, unless especially armoured / complex / magical should be destroyable. Agreed that was a great thing. But also the high chance items within will break if you are not using a skill that should not cause damage to the items inside. Some of my Youtube Classic Roland MT-32 Video Game Music videos | My Music | My Photography Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieo Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 I thought I'd put a link to some of the Hudson River School art, mentioned as inspiration in the interview. A lot of the images have a similar feel to the screenshot we got, I have to say I like it. http://www.metmuseum...urs/hd_hurs.htm Interesting. I wondered what that meant, and I had never heard the term "artistic fraternity" before. I'm still waiting for more cool stuff from the Obsidian artist who originally did the first Sagani pic. As a side comment about the lockpicking business--did the mage spell Knock have a chance to fail? I never actually used it... The KS Collector's Edition does not include the Collector's Book. Which game hook brought you to Project Eternity and interests you the most? PE will not have co-op/multiplayer, console, or tablet support (sources): [0] [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] Write your own romance mods because there won't be any in PE. "But what is an evil? Is it like water or like a hedgehog or night or lumpy?" -(Digger) "Most o' you wanderers are but a quarter moon away from lunacy at the best o' times." -Alvanhendar (Baldur's Gate 1) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.E. Sawyer Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 I approach the design of mechanics with a desire to create an interesting choice for the player. Standard pass/fail checks (randomized or threshold) don't typically involve any element of choice; the choice you made was part of a character building process that took place far removed from the challenge currently in front of you. In most circumstances, this means that once you're at the challenge, you either can make the check or you can't. There's not any choice to make. If you have a consumable resource that can cover a marginal shortfall, then you do have a choice. Realism is important to me, but it is of secondary importance to producing good gameplay and choices within gameplay. Realism is valuable because it can a) provide an intuitive basis for how a mechanic works and b) it can prevent the player from being distracted/annoyed by something that doesn't make sense. I keep verisimilitude in mind when designing mechanics, but I generally try to "back" the realism into the gameplay rather than trying to make good gameplay out of a realistic simulation. 17 twitter tyme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte Carlo Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Josh how difficult would it be to implement destroyable doors / locks / items? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand_Commander13 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 I agree that realism and good gameplay must be made to work together, which is why I love the idea of a consumable resource to make up the shortfall in skill. All I'd quibble is making the consumable resource for lockpicking actual lockpicks. It could be an aspect of the character's soul energy that they need to pay to recharge, etc... Just not lockpicks. Curious about the subraces in Pillars of Eternity? Check out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignatius Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Thank you for this. I love hearing Sawyer talk about this stuff. He's a smart dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slumpy Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 I agree that realism and good gameplay must be made to work together, which is why I love the idea of a consumable resource to make up the shortfall in skill. All I'd quibble is making the consumable resource for lockpicking actual lockpicks. It could be an aspect of the character's soul energy that they need to pay to recharge, etc... Just not lockpicks. I like the skill + consumable idea a lot as well, and I'm with you on the specific example of lockpicks too. There must be a load of skill areas that don't have an obvious 'consumable' aspect to them (picking pockets? haggling? lock picking!?). Would you restrict this mechanism to skills that use tools, or go with something other than physical resources? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AW8 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 (edited) Thanks Sensuki, I like the mechanic of augmenting skill shortfalls with equipment, i.e. "buying" the difference in resources. I do know that we want to allow the player to account for a marginal shortfall in skill requirement with resource consumption. E.g. if you need a 75 to pick a lock but you have a 65 Lockpicking skill, you can still open the lock for a cost of 10 lockpicks. This wouldn't apply if the skill is too far from the requirement (e.g. a 45 Lockpicking skill would be too low), but it does allow for a little more flexibility. Yeah, me too. Sounds more fun than "You can pick this lock" or "You can't pick this lock" with nothing inbetween. I loved how KotOR 2 handled lock bashing, making it feasible but with the risk of destroying the contents of a container. Kinda trivialized door locks, though... Yes, an improvement over KotOR where Security was (if I recall correctly) absolutely pointless! For P:E, lockbashing would add yet another way of opening a chest, at the expense of some of the items inside. And the problem with bashing open doors could be solved by making locked doors sturdy enough that you can't bash them open. That would make more sense too - why would someone lock a weak door in a dungeon if a trespasser can simply break the door down? Edited October 28, 2012 by AW8 Batman: [intimidate] "Let her go". Joker: [Failure] "Very poor choice of words." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stun Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 (edited) On the other hand, if a mage's lightning bolt can fry multiple armored enemies to goo, then why can't it break the hinges off a door? Edited October 28, 2012 by Stun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignatius Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 On the other hand, if a mage's lightning bolt can fry multiple armored enemies to goo, then why can't it break the hinges off a door? Your wizard blasts the lock with a bolt of lightning. The lock melts and the door is now welded shut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stun Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Or he casts disentigrate on the door. The door is now gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orogun01 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Or he casts disentigrate on the door. The door is now gone. And then the cops know it was a mage, with you being the only other mage in town aside from the court adviser you get -10 reputation with that town. 2 I'd say the answer to that question is kind of like the answer to "who's the sucker in this poker game?"* *If you can't tell, it's you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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