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[Fighter]

PC also has mods. Skyrim with mods is so much better than vanilla.

[sorophx]

PC also has mods. Skyrim with mods is so much better than vanilla.

that's probably the biggest reason to stick with a PC. been playing ArmA 2 for 2 years now, weekly. I don't imagine I would've liked it so much if it wasn't for the mission editor and mods like ACE or user-made islands. I have 10 times the content available with the vanilla game and its add-ons

Edited November 11, 2012 by sorophx

[Morgoth]

Microsoft gonna do what they always do (draconian DRM related)

[Majek]

Also playing FPS on a console is stupid.

That says all about you.

[Malcador]

Can't say I've ever felt I missed out games due to not bothering with a console since my Genesis, probably due to my narrow tastes in games though - stuff like the JPRGs never appealed to me that much.

[Drowsy Emperor]

I think everyone should play Final Fantasy, and at least give the Shin Megami Tensei series a go. If you don't like any of those the chances are you aren't going to like anything else.

 

I dislike many of the conventions of JRPG's (which are really just obsolete conventions of western RPGs), and I find many anime characters quite irritating, but there is no denying that japanese do some aspects of their games extremely well.

 

Really thinking back, when FFX was released it was graphically so far beyond anything released in the west at the time that its not even worth comparing. A few years later everyone was going bonkers over Morrowind's "photorealism" and that game looks, even today, like crap in comparison to FFX.

[AwesomeOcelot]

Really thinking back, when FFX was released it was graphically so far beyond anything released in the west at the time that its not even worth comparing. A few years later everyone was going bonkers over Morrowind's "photorealism" and that game looks, even today, like crap in comparison to FFX.

 

Unfair comparison considering the difference in resolution and the camera limits. Tech demos have better graphics than games for the same reason, you don't have to use polygons on things that can't be seen. Native resolution for FFX was probably 512 x 416, Morrowind PC the max resolution was 1024 x 768, just on that basis Morrowind looks much much better than FFX.

Edited November 11, 2012 by AwesomeOcelot

[greylord]

Also playing FPS on a console is stupid.

That says all about you.

 

Maybe me as well?

 

I play games on PC, a few new, but definately retro on my part (labeling retro on PC as anything older then 5 years at this point), which is where a majority of my PC gaming is done these days. I am onsidering a new PC soon though, depending on how compatible Win8 turns out to be.

 

However, I also am a massive Console gamer at this point. Love my console.

 

That said, I absolutely loathe trying to play FPS on consoles. I can hook up a mouse and keyboard supposedly to the PS3, but the response time I get with a PC and the ability to adjust my look and turn speed is vital to me. Mouse sensitivity and responsiveness gives me a control in FPS that I simply can't get on the console (for me at least). it feels like I'm missing a leg and an arm when I try to play FPS games on console.

 

I DO like some of the TPS games on console though. For some reason they seem to have made them more suited to console playing in the recent generation then they have with FPS. Uncharted series is golden on the Console...and ME is pretty good as well in relation to other games. Still not as quick turn times as I have on a PC, but with the buttons right there I don't do the finger dance on the keyboard I do with TPS on PC.

 

So, I like both, I play both, if I had to go with one I'd probably choose PC (since I can use emulators on the PC as well as all the PC games, can't do that on a console), but I definately like Console games to. There are some console games that simply just aren't presented on the PC. (and vice versa).

[alanschu]

Interesting thing, reader bias. I'm seeing defensiveness on the other side of the argument, not his. Never having considered myself a "tribal gamer", I find his views as a reformed one particularly intriguing and insightful.

 

I know for myself last gen I never had a particular idea what games where available for PS2, since I had my xbox for the kotors etc. and that's it. When I bought a PS3 for the blu-ray drive I suddenly got a much clearer picture about the games that I'd missed.

 

Both sides are being defensive.

 

That someone states there isn't enough motivation to pick up a console, however, they shouldn't have to riposte statements of the obvious that there are probably some games on the system that they would like.

 

It's like it's completely unfathomable for someone to have different tastes.

 

 

The difference here, is those defending themselves for being primarily PC gamers were demonstrating how they personally are not interested. He, on the other hand, is going around telling other people that they're wrong.

 

One of these perspectives is non-confrontational and even perfectly okay with other people having different preferences. The other less so, and by doing so keeps the discussion going when otherwise it should probably have just died some time ago.

 

 

I started out on the Apple II and the Mac, got myself a Nintendo, then a Super Nintendo, while also using the PC. Then focused heavily on the PSX and N64, until Half-Life converted me to full on PC gamer. I was indifferent to the PS2/XBox, and the only reason why I picked up a 360 was because my friends and I were on a Rock Band kick. Having owned the console, there are games I picked up that I definitely wouldn't have otherwise (since the 360 cost was sunk), I still preferred the games on the PC and in general found myself with absolutely no shortage of games to play in spite of this restriction. I have zero beef if people prefer to play on any of the consoles, and despite jokingly referring to myself as part of the "PC Master Race" you'll still see me commenting against PC gamers that talk down to console gamers too.

[greylord]

I think everyone should play Final Fantasy, and at least give the Shin Megami Tensei series a go. If you don't like any of those the chances are you aren't going to like anything else.

 

I dislike many of the conventions of JRPG's (which are really just obsolete conventions of western RPGs), and I find many anime characters quite irritating, but there is no denying that japanese do some aspects of their games extremely well.

 

Really thinking back, when FFX was released it was graphically so far beyond anything released in the west at the time that its not even worth comparing. A few years later everyone was going bonkers over Morrowind's "photorealism" and that game looks, even today, like crap in comparison to FFX.

 

FFX was awesome. I think some PC gamers REALLY enjoy the freedom to wander and explore (think the original FFI which you could get killed quick by wandering to the wrong part of the map type explore, or BG where you could go anywhere)and FFX IS extremely linear. That said it's a totally awesome JRPG!!!

[AwesomeOcelot]

 

Also playing FPS on a console is stupid.

That says all about you.

 

Maybe me as well?

 

I play games on PC, a few new, but definately retro on my part (labeling retro on PC as anything older then 5 years at this point), which is where a majority of my PC gaming is done these days. I am onsidering a new PC soon though, depending on how compatible Win8 turns out to be.

 

However, I also am a massive Console gamer at this point. Love my console.

 

 

That said, I absolutely loathe trying to play FPS on consoles. I can hook up a mouse and keyboard supposedly to the PS3, but the response time I get with a PC and the ability to adjust my look and turn speed is vital to me. Mouse sensitivity and responsiveness gives me a control in FPS that I simply can't get on the console (for me at least). it feels like I'm missing a leg and an arm when I try to play FPS games on console.

 

 

I DO like some of the TPS games on console though. For some reason they seem to have made them more suited to console playing in the recent generation then they have with FPS. Uncharted series is golden on the Console...and ME is pretty good as well in relation to other games. Still not as quick turn times as I have on a PC, but with the buttons right there I don't do the finger dance on the keyboard I do with TPS on PC.

 

So, I like both, I play both, if I had to go with one I'd probably choose PC (since I can use emulators on the PC as well as all the PC games, can't do that on a console), but I definately like Console games to. There are some console games that simply just aren't presented on the PC. (and vice versa).

 

I've heard good things about using a PS3 Move for FPS gaming.

Edited November 11, 2012 by AwesomeOcelot

[Nepenthe]

He, on the other hand, is going around telling other people that they're wrong.

I didn't read it that way.

[Zoraptor]

While technically correct, there are games that run at 1080p (at least on the ps3), and many of the supposedly 720p games run at a lower resolution.

For reference, since it may be useful as an illustration.

 

Interesting thing, reader bias. I'm seeing defensiveness on the other side of the argument, not his. Never having considered myself a "tribal gamer", I find his views as a reformed one particularly intriguing and insightful.

I've actually thought that games arguments are useful in seeing exactly how people end up with stuff like the Inquisition. It's completely trivial yet some people (at least seem to) take it so very very seriously. Makes it easy to see how people end up taking more serious stuff even more seriously.

 

Can't say I've had any problem with Boo's attitude, or anyone else's here on this topic which is close to a first for a console war. There's been some mild hyperbole on occasion, but who hasn't been mildly hyperbolic on occasion. I don't think anyone (myself included) could cast the first stone on that front.

[Jorian Drake]

No idea if anyone cares, but I am mostly interested in this project, hope it gets enough funds in time

 

http://www.kickstart...is?ref=category

 

"Divine Space" from Dodo Games is also what I hope gets enough of that

Edited November 11, 2012 by Jorian Drake

[Labadal]

It's been mentioned more than once.

 

I'm waiting to see what Thorvalla has to offer. The kickstarter for that will probably go live next week.

[Drowsy Emperor]

Interesting thing, reader bias. I'm seeing defensiveness on the other side of the argument, not his. Never having considered myself a "tribal gamer", I find his views as a reformed one particularly intriguing and insightful.

 

I know for myself last gen I never had a particular idea what games where available for PS2, since I had my xbox for the kotors etc. and that's it. When I bought a PS3 for the blu-ray drive I suddenly got a much clearer picture about the games that I'd missed.

 

Both sides are being defensive.

 

That someone states there isn't enough motivation to pick up a console, however, they shouldn't have to riposte statements of the obvious that there are probably some games on the system that they would like.

 

It's like it's completely unfathomable for someone to have different tastes.

 

 

The difference here, is those defending themselves for being primarily PC gamers were demonstrating how they personally are not interested. He, on the other hand, is going around telling other people that they're wrong.

 

One of these perspectives is non-confrontational and even perfectly okay with other people having different preferences. The other less so, and by doing so keeps the discussion going when otherwise it should probably have just died some time ago.

 

 

I started out on the Apple II and the Mac, got myself a Nintendo, then a Super Nintendo, while also using the PC. Then focused heavily on the PSX and N64, until Half-Life converted me to full on PC gamer. I was indifferent to the PS2/XBox, and the only reason why I picked up a 360 was because my friends and I were on a Rock Band kick. Having owned the console, there are games I picked up that I definitely wouldn't have otherwise (since the 360 cost was sunk), I still preferred the games on the PC and in general found myself with absolutely no shortage of games to play in spite of this restriction. I have zero beef if people prefer to play on any of the consoles, and despite jokingly referring to myself as part of the "PC Master Race" you'll still see me commenting against PC gamers that talk down to console gamers too.

 

And you are looking too much into it. I was telling them that its possible they could be wrong without even knowing it.

 

Unfair comparison considering the difference in resolution and the camera limits. Tech demos have better graphics than games for the same reason, you don't have to use polygons on things that can't be seen. Native resolution for FFX was probably 512 x 416, Morrowind PC the max resolution was 1024 x 768, just on that basis Morrowind looks much much better than FFX.

 

From the perspective of the end user the technology and its limitations are irrelevant. FFX looks better on my TV than Morrowind on my PC (without even going into the world design comparison, effects, use of colors etc).

 

Incidentally, this is FFX, emulated on PC, released year 2001:

 

 

 

Morrowind 2003:

 

 

Yeah, it would be unreasonable to expect that an open world game would look better than a linear one filled with pre rendered scenes, and few on screen characters, but in the end,as a gamer - I shouldn't have to care about that.

 

I can play FFX today, and there's no way around the fact that Morrowind is ugly as hell, badly animated and well, brown.

Edited November 11, 2012 by Drowsy Emperor

[Labadal]

I don't know how this discussion turned into a semi console/PC war. Mayber I don't understand because I like playing both...

 

I can see why some people don't like to play console games, but I guess if Red Dead Redemption is the only game that looked interesting to you in the last few years, there is no real reason to buy a PS360.

 

I still believe there are some games that would be interesting to PC gamers, but I will not talk more about this matter. Not because I can't discuss this, I simply think that what one likes to play is ones own business.

 

Someone should post gaming news.

[AwesomeOcelot]

 

Interesting thing, reader bias. I'm seeing defensiveness on the other side of the argument, not his. Never having considered myself a "tribal gamer", I find his views as a reformed one particularly intriguing and insightful.

 

I know for myself last gen I never had a particular idea what games where available for PS2, since I had my xbox for the kotors etc. and that's it. When I bought a PS3 for the blu-ray drive I suddenly got a much clearer picture about the games that I'd missed.

 

Both sides are being defensive.

 

That someone states there isn't enough motivation to pick up a console, however, they shouldn't have to riposte statements of the obvious that there are probably some games on the system that they would like.

 

It's like it's completely unfathomable for someone to have different tastes.

 

 

The difference here, is those defending themselves for being primarily PC gamers were demonstrating how they personally are not interested. He, on the other hand, is going around telling other people that they're wrong.

 

One of these perspectives is non-confrontational and even perfectly okay with other people having different preferences. The other less so, and by doing so keeps the discussion going when otherwise it should probably have just died some time ago.

 

 

I started out on the Apple II and the Mac, got myself a Nintendo, then a Super Nintendo, while also using the PC. Then focused heavily on the PSX and N64, until Half-Life converted me to full on PC gamer. I was indifferent to the PS2/XBox, and the only reason why I picked up a 360 was because my friends and I were on a Rock Band kick. Having owned the console, there are games I picked up that I definitely wouldn't have otherwise (since the 360 cost was sunk), I still preferred the games on the PC and in general found myself with absolutely no shortage of games to play in spite of this restriction. I have zero beef if people prefer to play on any of the consoles, and despite jokingly referring to myself as part of the "PC Master Race" you'll still see me commenting against PC gamers that talk down to console gamers too.

 

And you are looking too much into it. I was telling them that its possible they could be wrong without even knowing it.

 

Unfair comparison considering the difference in resolution and the camera limits. Tech demos have better graphics than games for the same reason, you don't have to use polygons on things that can't be seen. Native resolution for FFX was probably 512 x 416, Morrowind PC the max resolution was 1024 x 768, just on that basis Morrowind looks much much better than FFX.

 

 

From the perspective of the end user the technology and its limitations are irrelevant. FFX looks better on my TV than Morrowind on my PC (without even going into the world design comparison, effects, use of colors etc). ]

 

 

Incidentally, this is FFX, emulated on PC, released year 2001:

 

 

Morrowind 2003:

 

 

Yeah, it would be unreasonable to expect that an open world game would look better than a linear one filled with pre rendered scenes, and few on screen characters, but in the end,as a gamer - I shouldn't have to care about that.

 

I can play FFX today, and there's no way around the fact that Morrowind is ugly as hell, badly animated and well, brown.

 

That's highly delusional and dishonest of you. Here's what Final Fantasy X looks like close to its native resolution, without an emulator adding filters, AF, AA:

 

 

Also, holy ****, is that screenshot from an emulator a cut scene? That's even more dishonest.How is it that your FFX is double the resolution of what it would be on the PS2, but Morrowind is less than its max resolution?

 

Yeah, if Bethesda decided to take control away from a player I'm sure they could dedicate all the polygons to the characters (while still managing to look really bad in the background) Morrowind could have looked as good. In the end you should care how much freedom of movement and control you are given, because a game completely on rails consisting of quick time events will look better than any other game, but it will be a ****ty game to play. Yeah, Morrowind looks way better. What is even happening in FFX?

Edited November 11, 2012 by AwesomeOcelot

[Volourn]

"Morrowind's "photorealism" and that game looks, even today, like crap in comparison to FFX."

 

MW alwasy looked like crap. This isn't new. FF8, btw, has some of the best FMV ever created. The opening scene alone is perhaps the best opening cutscene of all time. The attack at the beach, the dance scene, the academy flying for the first time, the parade battle, and a host of others are just pure awesomeness. And, the graphics even outside of FMVs are pretty good.

 

Nontheless, MW sucks ballz graphically and every other way. FFX is a solid FF and the last FF that I even bothered playing (well except for tis sequel which I promptly stopped playing).

[Guest Slinky]

I can play FFX today, and there's no way around the fact that Morrowind is ugly as hell, badly animated and well, brown.

 

Yeah, morro really looks hidous, at least without any mods, but FF games..

 

I think I'll take ugly over gay.

[Volourn]

I'd rather take gay over ES ****.

[AwesomeOcelot]

Also check out the quality water in FFX compared to Morrowind:

 

[Oner]

I think I'll take ugly over gay.

I think you're very insecure in your orientation.

[Guest Slinky]

I think I'll take ugly over gay.

I think you're very insecure in your orientation.

 

Not really, I just can't find a better word to describe anime or anything resembling it.

[AwesomeOcelot]

Effeminate and garish, not just that the males are in these games, the females are hyper-effeminate, weak or prissy. Not that I think fascistic masculinism of games like Gears of War is any better, for both, I think "wow, I'm tired of this ****". They really show that America and Japan have issues.

Edited November 11, 2012 by AwesomeOcelot