Troller Posted September 17, 2012 Posted September 17, 2012 So I created another thread, and another poll, because that other one got old and has too many options and I'm trying to narrow it down to only the most voted options, to access better you guys opinions.(hope that makes sense) No racism pls
Tale Posted September 17, 2012 Posted September 17, 2012 I don't hate traditional races, but I would like to see more creativity. 8 "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater."
Merin Posted September 17, 2012 Posted September 17, 2012 I don't "hate" them either, but would rather Obsidian use something new. Given my druthers. I'd actually most rather have Obsidian do what they are already planning to do, and give my opinions mostly when they directly ask the community about X, Y or Z.
Sensuki Posted September 17, 2012 Posted September 17, 2012 I don't really care as long as they're good. 2
Troller Posted September 17, 2012 Author Posted September 17, 2012 Er, sorry hate is such a strong word, guess I should have pick dislike instead? can I still edit it? 2
vattghern Posted September 17, 2012 Posted September 17, 2012 anythign but classic tolkien goody two shoes elves and humans and dawrves with scottish accents if elves then they should be evil and dark like the drow or eldar from warhammer so i guess tradictional with a twist
flarglebargle Posted September 17, 2012 Posted September 17, 2012 elves and dwarves are in EVERY fantasy setting its time for something new
Kilroy_Was_Here Posted September 17, 2012 Posted September 17, 2012 I think the problem with fantasy races is that while humans have varied cultures/values/languages etc. non-humans are homogenous. Seen one dwarf, seen them all. There's no reason that things have to be that way. Even if most of a given race behaves according to the 'traditional' cliches, why not have rogue individuals/communities/nations that defy the norm? This doesn't have to rise to the level of drow=anti-elves where everything is exactly the opposite, just enough to know that free will does indeed exist for these people. PS If for some reason free will does not exist (mind control, slavery or some such) then please disregard 2
BruceVC Posted September 17, 2012 Posted September 17, 2012 I voted for traditional Tolkien races, games like Witcher have proven they can still be interesting and since this is a new fantasy setting Obsidian can be creative with there implementation and lore. 1 "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
Semper Posted September 17, 2012 Posted September 17, 2012 (edited) god, where comes all this hate from? it doesn't help if you repaint them, give them 3 legs and no arms, green skin and call them misfits as long as they are filling the roles of those generic races - tree lovers, tunnel diggers, evil basterds, long lost and now revived, most intelligent creators of the universe, etc. i am perfectly fine with calling them elves and dwarfs if their culture is surprising and new to explore. the background and lore makes a race feeling generic and not their pointy ears or how they're called. Edited September 17, 2012 by Semper
dlux Posted September 17, 2012 Posted September 17, 2012 (edited) How many more polls are you going to make just because you hate elves? In the other poll we have already stated, that we like elves and dwarves, but we do not want a 1:1 copy of Tolkien's version... obviously. This is not a Lord of the Rings game! lol ^^ So, dwarves and elves are from Germanic mythology. While Tolkien might have made these mythical creatures popular, high fantasy games DO NOT copy Tolkiens version of them 1 to 1. Most games base their dwarves and elves upon original Germanic mythology, but also take inspiration from other sources, including Tolkien. A good exmaple are the elves in D&D FR: You have sun elfs, wood elfs, moon elfs, drow, and wild elfs which is very original and interesting! Edited September 17, 2012 by dlux 2
limaxophobiacq Posted September 17, 2012 Posted September 17, 2012 D&D FR: You have sun elfs, wood elfs, moon elfs, drow, and wild elfs which is very original and interesting! 1
dlux Posted September 17, 2012 Posted September 17, 2012 Troll is gonna troll when he doesn't get it. lol 1
Sensuki Posted September 17, 2012 Posted September 17, 2012 The playable dryad/nymph. Yes I see it now. 1
Troller Posted September 17, 2012 Author Posted September 17, 2012 How many more polls are you going to make just because you hate elves? In the other poll we have already stated, that we like elves and dwarves, but we do not want a 1:1 copy of Tolkien's version... obviously. This is not a Lord of the Rings game! lol ^^ So, dwarves and elves are from Germanic mythology. While Tolkien might have made these mythical creatures popular, high fantasy games DO NOT copy Tolkiens version of them 1 to 1. Most games base their dwarves and elves upon original Germanic mythology, but also take inspiration from other sources, including Tolkien. A good exmaple are the elves in D&D FR: You have sun elfs, wood elfs, moon elfs, drow, and wild elfs which is very original and interesting! I don't have elves man, I actually prefer the traditional races over something different(whatever that is), because many people already have a connection with those races, and I believe just because they are traditional that doesn't mean the history is going to be boring, it all depends on who is writing it. Take humans and real life for example, the vast majority of books written by humans are about humans, but you don't see people whining that they are tired of seeing books about humans, there are just good authors that make good books about humans and, boring authors that make the humans subject not interesting. 1
Troller Posted September 17, 2012 Author Posted September 17, 2012 The playable dryad/nymph. Yes I see it now. hahaha I prefer a nymph\dryad companion, id help her save all the trees
mrmud Posted September 17, 2012 Posted September 17, 2012 I think you need something that people can relate to and as such I dont like the idea of just giving up on the established races. On the other hand, it can be a bit boring so I think a mix or twist would be the ideal way.
Any_ILL Posted September 17, 2012 Posted September 17, 2012 I dont "hate" traditionnal races, but I believe that even with a twist they have been done to death. If you want to create a profound universe, a durable one that will accompany you and us for several games, years and maybe decades, create your own races.
Tocath Posted September 17, 2012 Posted September 17, 2012 Obsidian has a great opportunity to break new ground. I would even have preferred the map not show European flavored names. Strike out for new territory. Base the mythos not on European lore that we've plumbed the depths of, but Aztec, or Persian, or Abyssian, or something else entirely.
Luckmann Posted September 17, 2012 Posted September 17, 2012 I chose option #2, but ultimately, #3 would also be fine, because at a certain point, elves are not elves just because they have pointy ears. "New" races doesn't have to be terribly unique, but I would definitely prefer new races - or even better, actual races and not just species nicknamed "races". That is, humans. Different humans. With different proficiencies, cultures and features. Throw out all the fantasy "races" and give us some actual races, with magic/divinity involved or not, doesn't matter to me, but I would rather have Aasimar, Tieflings and Genasi as "fantastical" variations of humans, than Elves, Dwarves and Orcs. 2
limaxophobiacq Posted September 17, 2012 Posted September 17, 2012 (edited) Troll is gonna troll when he doesn't get it. lol Forgotten Realms is the opposite of originality in fantasy RPG settings. (For originality see things like Planescape and the creation of Exalted, possibly Talislanta though I never really got into it). The dozen different flavours of elf in Fearun are not original; there were several different types of elves in tolkien to: Noldor, Sindar etc., and with the exception of the Drow they are pretty much completely unnecessary. Edited September 17, 2012 by limaxophobiacq 1
Darkpriest Posted September 17, 2012 Posted September 17, 2012 TBH I won't mind if they will resemble DnD races... Sure that some twists to the characteristic would be fun, but it is not a must... I would certainly love to see some politics, racism etc. involved at some regions, races... The Witcher had an interesting concept to some of the races. As long as there is an interesting lore, history and politics, it can be anything... 1
Jaesun Posted September 17, 2012 Posted September 17, 2012 (edited) I'm fine with traditional fantasy races, but FFS do something original. Unlike Biowares boring supervised Tolkien playground setting. Stir some stuff up and do something different. I know you have the creativity Obsidian. Edited September 17, 2012 by Jaesun Some of my Youtube Classic Roland MT-32 Video Game Music videos | My Music | My Photography
Elfwyn Posted September 17, 2012 Posted September 17, 2012 (edited) Normally i prefer the traditional races, but in this case I would leave it entirely up to Obsidian, since their creative heads surely have the big picture forming in their minds. Before all it has to fit into the world. Humans would be nice. Edited September 17, 2012 by Elfwyn
dlux Posted September 17, 2012 Posted September 17, 2012 Troll is gonna troll when he doesn't get it. lol Forgotten Realms is the opposite of originality in fantasy RPG settings. (For originality see things like Planescape and the creation of Exalted, possibly Talislanta though I never really got into it). The dozen different flavours of elf in Fearun are not original; there were several different types of elves in tolkien to: Noldor, Sindar etc., and with the exception of the Drow they are pretty much completely unnecessary. Like I said, you don't get it. FR took the mythological creatures that we know and love and spiced them up very originally. Of course, FR also has other completely original creatures.
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