Hurlshort Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 I don't get that quote, what does he mean by outlets? Did he meet with the gaming press? That is the only folks I expect to write previews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoonDing Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Nm, I pasted the wrong bit. The ending of the words is ALMSIVI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoraptor Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 (edited) The 'outlets' were PR outlets- IGN, PC Gamer type stuff. I have read the interview that quote came from so I know the gist of the point though, basically that getting physical publishers in NA is a terribly difficult proposition for anything which isn't a Large and Important Project (in which case it likely already has a large publisher behind it). Really though, getting a late, cheap, poorly publicised and (apparently) still DD only release from a 3rd party publisher seems like a failure of fairly epic proportions. Which is rather sad both because at least an earlier relase could possibly have saved Radon Labs and because Drakensang had a lot of potential with TRoT apparently being significantly better than the original. Edited January 8, 2011 by Zoraptor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexx Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 This one is really funny. "only when you no-life you can exist forever, because what does not live cannot die." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorton_AP Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 I wonder if this will lead to a Streisand effect for the mod haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bendu Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Where does my money go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sorophx Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 just as I thought, an average game costs less then 10% of what is asked for it to develop. I'd rather pay the developers directly and download games from them Walsingham said: I was struggling to understand ths until I noticed you are from Finland. And having been educated solely by mkreku in this respect I am convinced that Finland essentially IS the wh40k universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sorophx Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 (edited) gah, double post here's a nice pic instead: Edited January 10, 2011 by sorophx Walsingham said: I was struggling to understand ths until I noticed you are from Finland. And having been educated solely by mkreku in this respect I am convinced that Finland essentially IS the wh40k universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nepenthe Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Where does my money go? Interesting read, but apparently a bit difficult to understand for some. You're a cheery wee bugger, Nep. Have I ever said that? Reapercussions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorton_AP Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 It's a little misleading because they aren't including the amount that the publisher gives the developer to develop the actual game (they concede this point actually). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sorophx Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 let's try one more time, my internet is giving me grief today... It's a little misleading because they aren't including the amount that the publisher gives the developer to develop the actual game (they concede this point actually). whadda ya mean? they say the developers gets advances for each milestone, that's the 10% of the box's cost, deducted. Walsingham said: I was struggling to understand ths until I noticed you are from Finland. And having been educated solely by mkreku in this respect I am convinced that Finland essentially IS the wh40k universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigranes Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 The article doesnt' state how the advances are calculated (and they vary by the contract). I don't think the 10% figure is ever connected to that, either. What it does make clear is how the numbers break down on the publishing/distribution/marketing side of things, and once again stress how Metacritic has become, simply by the virtue of crunching a few numbers, become such an important tool in this entire cycle of funding and evaluation. Everyone knows it's broken in so many ways (even "casual" gamers with no knowledge of the industry often know not to blindly trust reviews), but it's the easiest and the only viable model to base the money flow on. Let's Play: Icewind Dale Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Icewind Dale II Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Divinity II (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG1 (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG2 (In Progress) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sorophx Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 the metacritic part just blew me away, really. I could never have imagined Walsingham said: I was struggling to understand ths until I noticed you are from Finland. And having been educated solely by mkreku in this respect I am convinced that Finland essentially IS the wh40k universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrath of Dagon Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Soon EA will own your soul: http://www.joystiq.com/2011/01/09/riccitie...ertakes-retail/ "You think about that and say, 'how can a free game be the game they pay the most for?' We have people who are giving us $5,000 in a month to play FIFA Ultimate Team. And it's free. Dirty little secret." pathetic "Moral indignation is a standard strategy for endowing the idiot with dignity." Marshall McLuhan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorton_AP Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 let's try one more time, my internet is giving me grief today... It's a little misleading because they aren't including the amount that the publisher gives the developer to develop the actual game (they concede this point actually). whadda ya mean? they say the developers gets advances for each milestone, that's the 10% of the box's cost, deducted. The article frequently refers to the developers "getting nothing" if they don't sell enough to recoup the costs of the game. The 10% that they refer to looks to be based upon the royalties from profits of the game. The devs still get paid during the development of the game, even if the game ends up tanking. No one is going to work like that for free. Another example (emphasis mine): "If a game is created in-house, the publisher need not pay a developer at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Soon EA will own your soul: http://www.joystiq.com/2011/01/09/riccitie...ertakes-retail/ "You think about that and say, 'how can a free game be the game they pay the most for?' We have people who are giving us $5,000 in a month to play FIFA Ultimate Team. And it's free. Dirty little secret." pathetic I like that he used Turbine as his success story. LotRO is awesome, and the microtransaction system they put into place works better than I ever imagined. I was pretty skeptical about it at first, but it is great, attracts new players, and doesn't feel out of place or like I'm being nickel and dimed to death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorton_AP Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Soon EA will own your soul: http://www.joystiq.com/2011/01/09/riccitie...ertakes-retail/ "You think about that and say, 'how can a free game be the game they pay the most for?' We have people who are giving us $5,000 in a month to play FIFA Ultimate Team. And it's free. Dirty little secret." pathetic Not quite sure what you mean by "pathetic." I've been a digital purchaser of games for a loooong time now, and advocate using services like Steam, GamersGate, and Impulse for quite some time now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrath of Dagon Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 I meant people paying $5000 a month for a game. Obviously they're addicts being exploited by EA. "Moral indignation is a standard strategy for endowing the idiot with dignity." Marshall McLuhan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sorophx Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 The article frequently refers to the developers "getting nothing" if they don't sell enough to recoup the costs of the game. Another example If a game is created in-house, the publisher need not pay a developer at all[/b] Walsingham said: I was struggling to understand ths until I noticed you are from Finland. And having been educated solely by mkreku in this respect I am convinced that Finland essentially IS the wh40k universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorton_AP Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 The way I understood it, and based on the language used throughout the article, they are not counting the money contracted out to developers. Only the royalties. There's no other way the developers could get "nothing," which the article outright states is possible throughout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sorophx Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 they can't be getting literally nothing. Josh said that the only time he ever received a royalty check was for Icewind Dale, his very first game I believe. they are contractors, they are paid by the publisher to make the game. I believe in the article the author's point is, the developers should be getting a lot more then they are currently, since they are the ones that do all the heavy lifting. Walsingham said: I was struggling to understand ths until I noticed you are from Finland. And having been educated solely by mkreku in this respect I am convinced that Finland essentially IS the wh40k universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorton_AP Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 (edited) they can't be getting literally nothing. I know that. Yet the article states this can happen. In other words, they are talking about royalties off of profits of the game, since we can both agree no one is going to work for free. Hence why I said it was a little misleading. Edited January 10, 2011 by Thorton_AP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte Carlo Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Since Company of Heroes online came out I've spent about UK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigranes Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 sorophyx the developers get advances and then a % royalty cut based on their specific contract. The article mentions that the latter is often dependent upon metacritic scores & copies sold, but says nothing about how the advances are determined. There is no 10% figure. It would vary a lot, anyway. What the article IS saying is that in some cases (i.e. when a game doesn't sell too well), zero of the actual sales revenue might make it to the devs (even if they were paid beforehand). I'd imagine that that was what happened to Alpha Protocol, for instance, while for FNV Obsidian would have got a generous bonus from Zenimax (unless they shafted themselves on the contract). Let's Play: Icewind Dale Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Icewind Dale II Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Divinity II (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG1 (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG2 (In Progress) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sorophx Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 Since Company of Heroes online came out I've spent about UK Walsingham said: I was struggling to understand ths until I noticed you are from Finland. And having been educated solely by mkreku in this respect I am convinced that Finland essentially IS the wh40k universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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