worst game ever played

[Musopticon?]

Dungeon hack.

[Gorth]

Is that worst game played (as per the topic title) or worst game actually completed ?

 

I can probably list fifty 8 and 16 bit games amongst the worst played, plus a Bioware and a few Eidos titles

[Dark_Raven]

I can probably list fifty 8 and 16 bit games amongst the worst played,

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Ah yes those ancient games. Poor graphics, sub par sound and poor performance. We did not have great games like what we have now, when I was a child.

[Hurlshort]

Current RPG's are expected to have a large emphasis on story and character development. While almost any game puts you in a role, and many genres have stats, very few focus on just telling a story. Of course, adventure games do the same thing, but I think if there is little to no combat, it fits the adventure game genre.

[BattleCookiee]

Fallout is not D&D and it is an RPG. KOTOR is not D&D and it is an RPG. Vampire: Bloodlines is not D&D and it is an RPG. Ultima is not D&D and it is an RPG. Avernum is not D&D and it is an RPG....etc ad nauseum.

 

But Diablo isn't.

 

Newsflash. KOTOR uses the 3rd edition D&D rules. Odd nobody mentioned it in the thread so far...

 

And for Diablo, it can be qualified as a RPG. Besides the XP/Equipment/Lvl's etc. mentioned before, you play the role of a single adventurer, gaining a small party (if you want) of mercenaries/Golems/Skeletons trying to destroy the evil nemesis in the end, while solving several quests for the population who asks for help

 

There has never been a REAL rpg.. at least outside of PnP

 

This may be true on a philosophical level (although I would argue that games like Fallout and Torment are close enough to being real RPGs). But there are MANY games that have come a lot closer to being like PnP than Diablo has. Diablo didn't even try.

 

If you seek enough you probably easily find a PnP principle which is all about killing/loot and XP grinding, as is Diablo II. D&D isn't the only PnP and not all PnP are heavily story-based...

 

Edit; Damn quotes

Edited January 30, 2006 by Battlewookiee

[Moose]

Worst game I ever played was Lionheart.

[Judge Hades]

Actually the correct term is the d20 System which both DnD and Star Wars, along with a host of other settings, use.

[Gfted1]

IWD2. What a steaming pile of dung.

[LadyCrimson]

Diablo2 and it's variants are RPG-Lites. They have the combat, some form of the stat/character/item creation/progression and a story/quests (tho not usually very interactive ones).

If you reduced most of the CRPG's down to the elements of stats/combat, that's what you'd have....imo. *shrug*

 

I like Diablo2. Or I did. I can't play it anymore, I played it too much for 4-5 years. <_<

[Moose]

IWD2. What a steaming pile of dung.

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I would say Lionheart was far worse. Utterly shameful.

[Diogo Ribeiro]

'Role-playing' is a player, not a computer activity; to apply it to a piece of computer software is absurd, since the ability to role-play is contained in the person, as opposed to the machine or programming code.

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I'd agree, if role-playing when applied to computer gaming was exclusively dependant of the player, except it's not. The ability to roleplay is contained in the player, but the methods and expression of said roleplaying are contained in the electronic RPG. I can't roleplay something in an electronic RPG if said RPG doesn't allow for what I am roleplaying to be expressed. Roleplaying in a medium that doesn't recognize what I'm roleplaying seriously questions if role-playing strictly depedant of me, or instead, of a process that requires player input and computer, or videogame, output and recognition.

[Lancer]

Newsflash. KOTOR uses the 3rd edition D&D rules. Odd nobody mentioned it in the thread so far...

 

Newsflash..

KOTOR uses rules based on d20. It doesn't use 3rd edition rules. There is a difference.

 

And for Diablo, it can be qualified as a RPG. Besides the XP/Equipment/Lvl's etc. mentioned before, you play the role of a single adventurer, gaining a small party (if you want) of mercenaries/Golems/Skeletons trying to destroy the evil nemesis in the end, while solving several quests for the population who asks for help

 

I am not going to beat a dead bush. I already have expressed my view on this topic in several threads as to what qualifies as an RPG. Like others have said the term is so amorphous that what an RPG is, is really dependent on the eye of the beholder. No pun intended. Needless to say by your definition, many strategy and aventure games are also RPGs.

Edited January 30, 2006 by Lancer

[Lancer]

'Role-playing' is a player, not a computer activity; to apply it to a piece of computer software is absurd, since the ability to role-play is contained in the person, as opposed to the machine or programming code.

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I'd agree, if role-playing when applied to computer gaming was exclusively dependant of the player, except it's not. The ability to roleplay is contained in the player, but the methods and expression of said roleplaying are contained in the electronic RPG. I can't roleplay something in an electronic RPG if said RPG doesn't allow for what I am roleplaying to be expressed. Roleplaying in a medium that doesn't recognize what I'm roleplaying seriously questions if role-playing strictly depedant of me, or instead, of a process that requires player input and computer, or videogame, output and recognition.

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As Roleplayer so eloquently stated, if the programmer didn't allow for a particular aspect to be roleplayed in an electronic media, I (you) as the player can't roleplay that aspect.

 

The extent of one's ability to roleplay in a CRPG is highly dependent on what the programmer coded in a CRPG.

 

Interestingly, this goes into why many hardcore PnPers believe that CRPGS can never be true RPGS. You are just not allowed the total gamut of freedom of expression that only a tabletop RPG can provide.

[Llyranor]

The computer is the Dungeon Master. Whatever the Dungeon Master doesn't accept doesn't exist.

 

I can imagine myself roleplaying in Fallout 3 right now, but that doesn't make it relevant.

[Jorian Drake]

So what is and what's not an rpg is purely about one's point of view and opinion?

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The funny thing is, I think the title 'RPG' can go mostly only to 'Adventure' games, and not what is actually called RPG games (beside pnp of course).

 

Yes, I think Gabriel Knight, Broken Sword, Shadow of memories, Syberia, The Longest Journey are way much more RPG than any other game

(even BG, NWN, and others have not the same atmosphere.Close, but not close enough to it)

[Moose]

Well anyone old school with agree with you. We always called those old Sierra Quest games RPGs. In fact that's when the term first started being frequently used.

[Gabrielle]

Torment what a piece of dung. Boring play, boring game setting, stupid npcs and a waste of the developers time when they could have made another BG game.

Edited January 30, 2006 by Gabrielle

[Lancer]

Torment what a piece of dung. Boring play, boring game setting, stupid npcs and awaste of the developers time when they could have made another BG game.

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What's the matter? Not enough twitch for your taste?

Edited January 30, 2006 by Lancer

[alanschu]

I think she just does it because she knows it will get under some people's skin.

 

 

There's plenty of games out there worse than Torment.

[Lancer]

There's plenty of games out there worse than Torment.

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Practically all of them..lol

Edited January 30, 2006 by Lancer

[Gabrielle]

I don't like to be bored 'tis all. Hell you can't even name your own character. Hi my name is the Nameless One.

[Volourn]

"What's the matter? Not enough twitch for your taste?"

 

Actually, PSt had LOTS of twitch in it. Lots of combat as well. Lots, lots, lots.

[alanschu]

I disagree. I don't think any of the IE games had twitch in them.

 

It's hard to be "twitch" when you can insta pause the game at any time.

 

How else could Hades (the anti-twitch) complete it?

 

 

I do agree that people underestimate the combat in it though. I think it's probably because it doesn't seem to have as much focus as other IE games.

Edited January 30, 2006 by alanschu

[Jorian Drake]

I disagree.  I don't think any of the IE games had twitch in them.

 

It's hard to be "twitch" when you can insta pause the game at any time.

 

How else could Hades (the anti-twitch) complete it?

 

 

I do agree that people underestimate the combat in it though.  I think it's probably because it doesn't seem to have as much focus as other IE games.

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Whats a 'twitch' ?

Edited January 30, 2006 by jorian

[Gabrielle]

The pause button is your friend.