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[Gorth]

24 minutes ago, Zoraptor said:

Still the only act of international terrorism committed in New Zealand

You could argue that it was the first of two acts of international terrorism in New Zealand. The second being that deranged Aussie running amok with his guns, killing dozens of people.

(with friends like these...)

[ComradeYellow]

10 hours ago, rjshae said:

That party is heading down into a very dark place. At one time I once supported guys like Bob Dole and John McCain, but I don't recognize the Republican party any more.

it's now the confederate party

 

[Zoraptor]

30 minutes ago, Gorth said:

You could argue that it was the first of two acts of international terrorism in New Zealand. The second being that deranged Aussie running amok with his guns, killing dozens of people.

(with friends like these...)

Think we class that as domestic terrorism since he had a right to be here and was not an agent of any overseas organisation.

Though I think the general inclination of Australia to try and use New Zealand as a dumping ground for its home grown criminals and terrorists is why they aren't finding us very supportive in their fight with China- and the whole Rainbow Warrior affair left a generation of New Zealanders with the memory of being bombed by a supposed friend then told to 'suck it up' by supposed allies like Maggot Thatcher. Thus we have a very realistic assessment of exactly how much reciprocal 'friendship' we can expect from allies were the going to get tough, and have no appetite for supporting them when they pick fights we have far less stake in.

[BruceVC]

2 hours ago, Zoraptor said:

Think we class that as domestic terrorism since he had a right to be here and was not an agent of any overseas organisation.

Though I think the general inclination of Australia to try and use New Zealand as a dumping ground for its home grown criminals and terrorists is why they aren't finding us very supportive in their fight with China- and the whole Rainbow Warrior affair left a generation of New Zealanders with the memory of being bombed by a supposed friend then told to 'suck it up' by supposed allies like Maggot Thatcher. Thus we have a very realistic assessment of exactly how much reciprocal 'friendship' we can expect from allies were the going to get tough, and have no appetite for supporting them when they pick fights we have far less stake in.

Zora that is an  extremely unhelpful and inaccurate comment. Of course everyone likes NZ, you guys produce good diary, you have excellent rugby and cricket teams and you like your sheep

But you have to accept and be grateful with your relationship with Australia. You would be hugely impacted  without the economic and social  benefits that come from Oz.

Gorthfuscious is too polite to say this but you should  be thanking Australia for allowing NZ to share the burden of their criminals. You and I both know its true if we honest 

[Guard Dog]

Athletes will never be silent again

Bah. If I cared about the opinions of someone who chased a ball I'd ask Sunny. 

[rjshae]

6 hours ago, BruceVC said:

Zora that is an  extremely unhelpful and inaccurate comment. Of course everyone likes NZ, you guys produce good diary, you have excellent rugby and cricket teams and you like your sheep

Unfortunately, I never could produce good diary. I'm envious.

[Raithe]

[Guard Dog]

Trump telling people he will be reinstated as president in August.

I know someone who’s going to be very disappointed come August.

[Gfted1]

Is that in the UK?

[Malcador]

Local politics, but is more funny I guess

Ah dang it image deleted.

This is the crackhead mayor's widow (who's been ****ed over by her brother in law regarding money involved) saying Communists and the current mayor murdered her husband. 

Edited June 1, 2021 by Malcador

[ComradeYellow]

Et tu, Canada?

[Malcador]

5 minutes ago, ComradeYellow said:

Et tu, Canada?

We've got racists, idiots, nutjobs in fair amounts.  Cause du jour is the ChiCom menace (they killed Nortel!!1111)

[Guard Dog]

3 minutes ago, Malcador said:

We've got racists, idiots, nutjobs in fair amounts.  Cause du jour is the ChiCom menace (they killed Nortel!!1111)

I’m going to steal a line from the Game of Thrones TV show. “You must forgive them their flights a fancy. It’s dreary in the north“

[Pidesco]

https://abc13.com/mom-accidentally-shoots-her-son-trying-to-shoot-dog-5-year-old-shot-by-angelia-mia-vargas-deadly-conduct-of-a-firearm/10728726/

@Guard DogHow about some gun control now?

[Guard Dog]

12 minutes ago, Pidesco said:

https://abc13.com/mom-accidentally-shoots-her-son-trying-to-shoot-dog-5-year-old-shot-by-angelia-mia-vargas-deadly-conduct-of-a-firearm/10728726/

@Guard DogHow about some gun control now?

That woman certainly didn’t exercise any of it did she? She should’ve left the gun in the house where it belonged. What is it about that story that makes you think some 50-70 million people (rough estimate of the number of known gun owners in the US) who did nothing wrong and were not involved in this deserve to be stripped of their private property or constitutional liberty?

 

[Malcador]

Wonder if there'll be a spike of idiots with guns in Texas after their change.

[Gfted1]

Unintentional firearm deaths in the United States 2005–2015.

Probably going to want to read that from the fetal position. 1260 lost souls over 10 years. *pours beer on ground*

[Bartimaeus]

11 minutes ago, Guard Dog said:

That woman certainly didn’t exercise any of it did she? She should’ve left the gun in the house where it belonged. What is it about that story that makes you think some 50-70 million people (rough estimate of the number of known gun owners in the US) who did nothing wrong and were not involved in this deserve to be stripped of their private property or constitutional liberty?

Yeah, I'm pretty ambivalent on the subject of gun control (well, more like split and torn on it rather than simply ambivalent), but if we made something that can be dangerous if improperly used illegal every time some idiot who lacked either intelligent thought or training, we would not be able to drive cars, ride bicycles, use blades sharper than butter knives... I wish there was some magical solution for preventing both the untrained and genuine morons from using any of these things, but no-one has yet to come up with any kind of solution...especially in a country that has more guns (and cars?) than citizens.

Edited June 2, 2021 by Bartimaeus

[Malcador]

Could always have mandatory re-testing every so often to prove competence.  Surprised they don't do that for cars.

[Pidesco]

23 minutes ago, Guard Dog said:

That woman certainly didn’t exercise any of it did she? She should’ve left the gun in the house where it belonged. What is it about that story that makes you think some 50-70 million people (rough estimate of the number of known gun owners in the US) who did nothing wrong and were not involved in this deserve to be stripped of their private property or constitutional liberty?

 

That's the typical straw man every gun loving American uses about gun control. Gun control doesn't mean stripping everyone of every gun there is. At all.

 

Anyway, I just thought that for the poor dog you'd do anything. Anything! <--that's a single tear

[Guard Dog]

9 minutes ago, Malcador said:

Could always have mandatory re-testing every so often to prove competence.  Surprised they don't do that for cars.

Sure. We should also do that for voting. After all don’t want those morons voting third-party do we? That’s just wasting your vote. We should definitely do it for free speech. How can we just let people say whatever they want? What if it’s something wrong? We could also have a test and issue a license for the right to be secure in your home. Maybe people should prove why the government should stay out of their houses. There probably should also be a test for whether or not someone should receive a trial by jury. After all how many times have someone come up on charges when everyone just knows they’re guilty. we should probably also have a test on whether or not someone should be exempted from cruel and unusual punishment. Some of these bastards probably deserve it. Or maybe a test about whether or not someone should be enslaved. Some folks aren’t good for much else right?

yeah I’m being sarcastic here but it becomes problematic when you start having tests and putting the government in a position to deny someone a right because of an arbitrary reason. 
 

besides firearm ownership is subject to numerous restrictions. More than any other right. Incidentally this woman will not be able to own that handgun after all this is said and done. She broke numerous laws the moment she pointed to her gun at that dog and pulled the trigger. At least three of which off the top of my head are Felonise. That means no more guns for her. Not legally anyway.

[Guard Dog]

1 minute ago, Pidesco said:

That's the typical straw man every gun loving American uses about gun control. Gun control doesn't mean stripping everyone of every gun there is. At all.

 

Anyway, I just thought that for the poor dog you'd do anything. Anything! <--that's a single tear

That’s not a strawman. That’s what gun control is. Nothing said in that article leads me to believe that that handgun was illegal or that it was illegally owned. Although as I pointed out in my last post it certainly will be taken away from her after this. So if your suggestion is that she should not have had a legally owned handgun and that gun control might have prevented this you are implying that gun control WOULD have taken it from her. And you would probably be right.

gun control can certainly mean a lot of things. But of this I am 100% sure: the ultimate aim is prohibition and confiscation. Every “reasonable” step between here and there is just a means to an inevitable end. If that one thing we’re not so then I would be more amenable to excepting some kind of gun control.

[Bartimaeus]

7 minutes ago, Pidesco said:

That's the typical straw man every gun loving American uses about gun control. Gun control doesn't mean stripping everyone of every gun there is. At all.

also, you're the one that just vaguely said "how about some gun control now" with zero context for your statement given

Edited June 2, 2021 by Bartimaeus

[Malcador]

I don't see making sure someone understands how to operate, maintain a firearm and things like being aware of the laws around its use as arbitrary.  Wouldn't help in this case as you can't train out stupid, but would help ensure you have quality gun owners.  Based off the ones I see on Youtube there's a fair amount of chaff to cut

 

[Guard Dog]

You guys know I’ve pointed this out before but if people were serious about ending gun ownership in America at least on the scale that it currently exists it would be very easy to do. In fact you could probably do it within three generations. Do two things:

1) Stop trying to ban it. It puts peoples backs up and makes everything in the NRA propaganda true. Every time the word gun control comes up the NRA gets 100 new members. If you want to put out that fire take away the fuel. Tell the gun control tyrants to STFU. 
 

2) Stop glorifying firearms. They are in the video games. They’re in the movies. Walk into any Walmart and they’ll be at least 100 different toy guns on the shelf. Change the culture. That will dampen the appeal.
 

People in rural areas are ALWAYS going to have firearms. They are a part of life. The average family in the suburbs does not have to protect livestock from predatory animals. People will still want a firearm for self defense. Mainly in the home. But the numbers will begin to diminish and the number of firearms people like that purchase will begin to go down.

The third amendment of the United States Constitution prohibits the government from quartering soldiers in People’s homes. This has not happened since the revolutionary war. The third amendment solves a problem no one has. The second amendment can go the same way of the third if people begin to lose interest in firearms. That’s how you get rid of guns in the United States. or at the very least seriously reduce the numbers of people who have them.