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wtf was that xD

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1 hour ago, Chilloutman said:

wtf was that xD

Well, it was definetly something.

Nothing positive though.


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10 hours ago, IndiraLightfoot said:

From that article at the link above:

Holy Moley!

And this? Is this Dungeons & Dragons? Whelp!

It looks like something for VR and/or co-op.

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@IndiraLightfoot, not to be a downer but FYI Chris ****' statement about seven "D&D" games being planned includes saying that not all those games will be RPGs. He even explicitly says some may be strategy games and the like because he wants to expand D&D across as many different gaming genres as possible.

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Hehe funny that the guy's actual name was deemed possibly offensive and got starred out in my post. :)

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3 hours ago, Chilloutman said:

wtf was that xD

It looked like mobile game trailer. You know the the type. The actual gameplay isn't going to be anything like that.


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Pretty sure that's just a cinematic trailer. Done music-video, go-pro style. I doubt that's gameplay.

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It does actually say it is 'pre alpha gameplay' at the end of the video, though I'd Presume that's only the last part, not the longer faux gopro section.

1 hour ago, Hawke64 said:

It looks like something for VR and/or co-op.

That trailer looks like a 'next gen' game in the vein of the old Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliances; 'slay together'* and the Dark Alliance name pretty strongly imply co-op as a focus. I played BGDA on PS2 and it was a fun (but utterly brainless) action game far better played as co-op than SP.

*if they want to use 'slay together' as a tagline they should have stumped up for a certain Roxy Music song license rather than using obnoxiously generic thrash metal. At least then it would be a bit more memorable.

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20 hours ago, Zoraptor said:

It does actually say it is 'pre alpha gameplay' at the end of the video, though I'd Presume that's only the last part, not the longer faux gopro section.

You are correct. Someone from the studio confirmed it in a subsequent interview that only the very last little bit is gameplay footage and even then pre-alpha.

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Well the "gameplay section" was like a single attack (with probably a non-game camera) and cinematic party vista. Hardly "gameplay" even if in-engine.

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On 2/22/2020 at 4:07 AM, xzar_monty said:

However, what I'm more interested in is this: why do you think it doesn't even hold a candle to the newer RPGs, and what specifically are some of these newer RPGs? I'm very interested in your answer.
 

Well, first and I know this won't be popular, but never was impressed with BG2 writing, but I will say that people love it and the characters, an people definitely rank it as a top RPG so no argument there.  I think there were a handful of quests I really loved about in BG2, but something about knowing what really went down in the Time of Troubles, left the ending of BG2 very flat and contrived for me.  It setup this amazing storyline that driveled into irrelevance about an angry elf, and then they tried to fix that with the expansion that didn't do a very good job.

But in terms of what RPGs it doesn't stack too - well in terms of world-building the Dragon Age series definitely wins, in terms of writing Witcher 3 or Shadowrun might be my favorite, in terms of combat POE, and again I know this won't be a popular answer but you have to give me this one just because the game is so popular - DOS2's combat is way better than anything BG - I would even add with the turn-based mod PK is better combat.  As for memorable characters, I actually think PK's characters are better than BG2's, but again I am biased and I always was really annoyed with BG2's characters and yes no one will agree so no real reason to argue about it.  In terms of quests individual quest stories I think POE does as good of job if not better.

So maybe yes there hasn't really been a game that has combined all the best elements into a single game as BG2 did when it released, but many games have come close, DOS2 for one came very close, Dragon Age 3 came very close, even POE came pretty close, and all three of those games incorporate the best of BG2 so they are if not better, they are as good and way more enjoyable to play as they incorporate so many cool new features, each in there own way.

Partly too I just love bucking BG2 because in my heart the Ultima series is still the pinnacle of computer gaming ;)

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Interesting that you like the combat in DOS2. I have tried the game but found it very hard to get into. The writing seemed frankly awful, and I didn't find anything in the combat system to recommend it, either. Everything seemed overly simplified. But obviously this is a matter of taste.

I understand the affinity for the Ultima series very well, because Ultima IV and V were huge, at the time, for me, something really special. Ultima VI was good, too, but nowhere near as engaging as the previous two. I've never even tried I-III, and I've only glimpsed VII. It's those three in the middle, and two of them in particular, that were magic for me.

But then, even Ultima pales in comparison to the subtleties of NetHack. Best computer game ever. Ask me, I know almost everything. 😀

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Looks like it's going to be turn based... And it has the same braindead writing D:OS2 had. They should have just called this Divinity: Original Sin 2.5 and let someone more competent make BG3. I guess there's still Pathfinder to look forward too, but this is really disappointing.

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1 hour ago, mkreku said:

Looks like an upgraded Neverwinter Nights based on the other screenshots (especially the one with the elevation difference with the archer). This might, or might not, be bad in itself, but it definitely would be bad for a game that calls itself Baldur's Gate 3. Should've just called it NWN3, honestly, and I doubt anybody would've cared.

In other words just capitalising on the cult status of Baldur's Gate, kind of expected from WotC, but disappointing from Larian.

We'll see how it turns out, I'm betting on severely disappointing for Baldur's Gate fans, but since we're a minority nowadays it will just end up like Fallout 3 where the media and masses will just eat it up anyway.

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Graphically looks okish. I didnt expected ISO anyway. I don't mind turn based either. If there is something good about Divinity its the combat. Not sure we can comment on writing now, its too soon. But I hope Larian will drop their stupid humor if you can even call it that.


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Calling it BG3 has turned me off it completely. 

I'm up for another game in the Forgotten Realms, surely they could have just called it something else? DND is popular they don't have to make it a sequel toa  beloved game series from decades ago.

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46 minutes ago, Chilloutman said:

Graphically looks okish. I didnt expected ISO anyway. I don't mind turn based either. If there is something good about Divinity its the combat. Not sure we can comment on writing now, its too soon. But I hope Larian will drop their stupid humor if you can even call it that.

Well, Bioware didn't exactly put the bar high with their "miniature giant space hamster" writing. I'm sure their humour will be more than adequate.


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I really don't care if it's called Neverwinter Nights, Baldur's Gate or Haatar Baen (a place in Vaasa in Forgotten Realms, a Swedish founding royal family, and Haatar Baen in Swedish, slightly misspelled though, would translate as "Hating Bones"!), as long as it's a good D&D CRPG unlike most which have been released after my beloved NWN2 (I like the BG series crazy much too). It certainly looks great, and I prefer NWN2's UI over most of the others - yup, I'm odd that way. *Skeletal fingers crossed.*

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Looks... good. And more or less what I expected. Seems they are aiming for newer Bioware conversation view, but with Divinities “vague” dialogue system. I am curious how it will gel together - I feel that silent protagonist works better in top down setting, rather then in your face JadeEmpire/KOTOR/DragonAge set up - in isometric all you do is implied and imagination takes over, while fancy presentations makes unanimated things draw attention to themselves.

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3 hours ago, mkreku said:

Well, Bioware didn't exactly put the bar high with their "miniature giant space hamster" writing. I'm sure their humour will be more than adequate.

Bioware created some memorable characters in BG and BG2. Can't say the same for Larian.

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Their writing has improved already, they've discovered the past tense.


The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.

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2 minutes ago, Judicator said:

Bioware created some memorable characters in BG and BG2. Can't say the same for Larian.

I categorise Bioware and Larian games a fundamentally different genres - first being singleplayer high presentation focused, mostly linear, story driven adventures, while the latter are sandbox, system driven coop games.

The only issue I have with Baldur's Gate 3, is its connection to BG1&2 while being apples and oranges situation. 

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