Amentep Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 Numenera had terrible combat and terrible character development (as in, builds). If I wanted to read a book, I would go read a book, not struggle with the worst gameplay I've ever seen in a cRPG game.Newsflash: The purpose of playing Crpg's are for story, gameplay/combat was always horrid from realtime with pause systems. You were afterthe wrong thing. You do know that Tides of Numenera's combat system is turn based, right? Don't confuse the issue with facts. 3 I cannot - yet I must. How do you calculate that? At what point on the graph do "must" and "cannot" meet? Yet I must - but I cannot! ~ Ro-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonicMage117 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 (edited) You do know that Tides of Numenera's combat system is turn based, right?I was generalizing the genre of Crpg, in which is more rtwp suited. Look at how horrible the D&D systems were in BG1&2 and IWD1&2. I don't think I have to mention NWN1&2 as well.Don't confuse the issue with facts. Or rather that I simply forgot to include something and a member called me out for it hehe I mean I never did say that Numenera was rtwp but yes, I should have made my response more broad as to specificially quote turn-based combat in Crpg is usually not very well designed either, kinda like playing against an autistic chess a.i. But as we were saying... BG had some of the worst combat in rpg history. That's no issue, just my experience talking teehee Edited November 9, 2018 by SonicMage117 Just what do you think you're doing?! You dare to come between me and my prey? Is it a habit of yours to scurry about, getting in the way and causing bother? What are you still bothering me for? I'm a Knight. I'm not interested in your childish games. I need my rest. Begone! Lest I draw my nail... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manveru123 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 (edited) That's just a lie. Unless you were a heavy metagamer with prior knowledge, there were many fights in BG2 that required you to strategize a lot to win. For a player new to the game, encounters with bosses like Firkraag or the Dock District Lich were epic. Combat was one of the strong points of this game. EDIT: unless somehow you were playing six Fighters. Edited November 9, 2018 by Manveru123 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tale Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 As a new player, I found those more frustrating than epic. Being immune to weapons below +4 doesn't make for much strategy. And being immune to the lower level breach further narrows your options. The more strategic fights I found to be more usual dungeon bosses. And those were pretty awesome. Establishing a line with your fighters, unleashing magic from the back. Making sure your cleric was mobile to respond to issues. 4 "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manveru123 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 Ok I can admit that the Lich was kiiiind of a noob slayer. Especially if you found him too early. But Firkraag, or even Shadow Dragon, those were really good fights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonicMage117 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 (edited) Or you can level up and mow over everything without hesitancy. Cheesing your way through a Crpg is not uncommon and you're unlikely ever to get "stuck" due to difficulty which requires careful tea-per-tata strategy, nuch like a boss you will encounter in Final Fantasy. Temple Of Elemental Thevil is another example of bad combat (Did anyone here play it?) In which combat felt a tad forced. At least Divinity Original Sin actually tried by introducing pipe-wind and environmental effects to strategize against opponents and opportunities. For ex: Using lightning in a storm to attract to metal armor plates during battle or starting a forest fire to infiltrate and burn enemy camp. I think many fault of why IE games combat were bad was because of the rulesets not intersecting properly, it were always a challenge to translate from board to screen and we saw that evidently. Edited November 9, 2018 by SonicMage117 Just what do you think you're doing?! You dare to come between me and my prey? Is it a habit of yours to scurry about, getting in the way and causing bother? What are you still bothering me for? I'm a Knight. I'm not interested in your childish games. I need my rest. Begone! Lest I draw my nail... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoonDing Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 -> get pwnt -> reload save, pre-buff -> win The ending of the words is ALMSIVI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonicMage117 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 My potions are running low *reload towns save* *buys 50 potions* Can't do that with something like Dragons Dogma though - as it only allows auto-save or one manual save limit to begin with Just what do you think you're doing?! You dare to come between me and my prey? Is it a habit of yours to scurry about, getting in the way and causing bother? What are you still bothering me for? I'm a Knight. I'm not interested in your childish games. I need my rest. Begone! Lest I draw my nail... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 "BG had some of the worst combat in rpg history" FAKE NEWS. "BG had some of the best combat in rpg history" REAL NEWS. DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenixp Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 "BG had some of the best combat in rpg history"FAKE NEWS "BG had mostly ok-ish combat in RPG history" REAL NEWS 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Jagged Alliance 2 had the best combat in RPG history. FACT! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanisatha Posted November 12, 2018 Author Share Posted November 12, 2018 Well, with the news of inXile being bought by MS I can now believe inXile indeed may be the studio working on BG3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InsaneCommander Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Well, with the news of inXile being bought by MS I can now believe inXile indeed may be the studio working on BG3. But what kind of game would that be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manveru123 Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Probably an underwhelming one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_dog_days Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Well, with the news of inXile being bought by MS I can now believe inXile indeed may be the studio working on BG3. But what kind of game would that be? buggy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanisatha Posted November 13, 2018 Author Share Posted November 13, 2018 Well, with the news of inXile being bought by MS I can now believe inXile indeed may be the studio working on BG3. But what kind of game would that be? Oh, i absolutely agree this is not necessarily good news, just that it is now possible, maybe even likely. I'm pretty harsh in my criticism of inXile's handling of their T:ToN and BT4 projects (as a backer of both those projects), not so much the games themselves as their attude towards customers and post-release customer and game support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InsaneCommander Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Probably an underwhelming one. Oh, i absolutely agree this is not necessarily good news, just that it is now possible, maybe even likely. That is what I think too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple - A Foxy Lad Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 My initial reaction to this was 'fk no, bg belongs in the past, stop poking the corpse'. i want to be able to revisit simpler times that are beloved memories. i didnt buy the enhanced editions or siege of dragonspear for that reason. idgaf that i have to play with a letterbox. Adds to the experience. That said. Lets say they take the name of the series literally: 'baldur's gate'. Instead of anything to do with bhaalspawn, they make an unrelated 5e game with the city Baldur's Gate as a central hub. Ideally no references to old game that would fk with peeps teenage headcanons - well, *my* teenage headcanon at least lol. I think i would actually be up for that. I AM A RENISANCE MAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbazoopa Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 So it appears that no more news has come out about BG3. You would have thought that some journalist would have found some more information by now. All we had was on tweet from that avellon guy and thats it? Has anyone else heard anymore about it being in production? I am personaly going to right it off as being a rumor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manveru123 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Last thing I've heard it that it's scheduled for release a month after Half-Life 3. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vitalis Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 So it appears that no more news has come out about BG3. You would have thought that some journalist would have found some more information by now. All we had was on tweet from that avellon guy and thats it? Has anyone else heard anymore about it being in production? I am personaly going to right it off as being a rumor He was probabaly drunk again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
213374U Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 I guess Brian Fargo was drunk as well, seeing as how Avellone was replying to him and all. Like, is alcohol abuse a common problem among former Interplay employees? - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadySands Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 It's better than some addictions 2 Free games updated 3/4/21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InsaneCommander Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 I guess Brian Fargo was drunk as well, seeing as how Avellone was replying to him and all. Like, is alcohol abuse a common problem among former Interplay employees? Maybe nobody is working on BG3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndiraLightfoot Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Perhaps Ubisoft has got hold of the rights to BG3, at least considering this huge CRPG headhunting trophy of theirs: https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2018-12-05-dragon-age-boss-mike-laidlaw-joins-assassins-creed-odyssey-studio-ubisoft-quebec 1 *** "The words of someone who feels ever more the ent among saplings when playing CRPGs" *** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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