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Hmmm, I don't think you get it...

 

There's a well constructed reason it doesn't make sense to me, as someone else pointed out already in the thread, the very same people complaining about this now played Fallout 3 and New Vegas and didn't complain then. When Bethesda took over the franchise, nobody complained and furthermore, it is the ultimate proof that a genre change, as well as mechanics and perspective change doesn't call for community paranoia. With this experience, you'd figure that people wouldn't be as such lol

 

 

 

 

Sorry, I had to clean off my screen as I spewed coffee out while laughing. Thankfully I didn't also piss myself :)

 

When Bethesda took over the franchise, nobody complained and furthermore, it is the ultimate proof that a genre change, as well as mechanics and perspective change doesn't call for community paranoia

 

  I take it that you've never been to the 'No Mutants Allowed' website, especially back when Fallout three came out. The hate there is strong for Bethesda and what they did to Fallout. When New Vegas came out the hate was replaced with acceptance as they made a great Fallout game but Fallout 4 doubled down and went full on 'murder-death simulator 2.0' and further threw out any similarities to a Fallout game. Now Fallout 4 is a fun game, perhaps even great, but it is a terrible Fallout game.

 

I really hope that they don't remake Baldurs Gate into a Skyrim clone.

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Lol Eneresting.

 

I've never heard of it which tells me it must've small website? And possibly smaller than Obsidian forums? At least that's my guess.. Sometimes it's hard to remmeber that a few people that keep commenting the same thing over and over often makes an issue appear bigger than what it really is (this thread or Steam forums for example) but in hardly annyone at all though, nor do the common mindset of a forum ever generalize a community as a whole - even if members on a website/forums would like to pretend otherwise.

 

Steam is great because the thing that often happens is that when someone doesn't like something,they'll make multiple threads saying the same thing in different wording. Fortunately, we don't have that problem here.

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">Insists that we use our imagination
> Proceeds to try to reinvigorate a 160+ year story line neglecting key facts.

Bhall's plan of resurrection was to use his children to come back, but he wanted the strongest to survive. Problem being they ended up killing each other this stopping his plans.

Meanwhile Bane does the same thing and succeeds, because he actually came back prior to 5e.

Bhall would have no children of a reasonable age to **** with, and would have no reason to.
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EPIC FAIL.
There's nothing imaginative about that. It's not like the Forgotten Realms dont have two Gods that have tried to **** over the world for petty reasons...          

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Bhaal's plan succeeded, Volourn.

 

I think a Cyric v Bane and Bhaal conflict could be a decent basis for a new Bhaalspawn story. Bhaal got what he wanted, doesn't care, but Cyric finds some other generational or surviving descendents and starts pushing them around just to start problems. Or at least he starts spreading rumors and lies about it. Heck, Cyric's church were Sarevok's allies because Cyric really doesn't care about anything but causing chaos and Bhaalspawn were a way to do that. So that's just one angle to bring it back.

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Bhaal's plan succeeded, Volourn.

 

I think a Cyric v Bane and Bhaal conflict could be a decent basis for a new Bhaalspawn story. Bhaal got what he wanted, doesn't care, but Cyric finds some other generational or surviving descendents and starts pushing them around just to start problems. Or at least he starts spreading rumors and lies about it. Heck, Cyric's church were Sarevok's allies because Cyric really doesn't care about anything but causing chaos and Bhaalspawn were a way to do that. So that's just one angle to bring it back.

Wasn't Cyric imprisoned and depowered for 1000 years by Lathander and Liiria as per Ao decree for killing Mystra and causing a Spellplague? Not to mention, his portfolio took an enormous hit due to the return of the Dead Three. So he's theoretically a non-issue now.

 

But still, it is 5e we are talking about. And 5e is very 'pick-and-choose' about the canon. In 5e Forgotten Realms official canon and metastory at this point doesn't exist. It's all a mish-mash of diferrent information from both new and old sources - most of them contradictory. We literally don't know what gods are canonically active on Toril now, beacuse ALL of them are back - including the most obscure ones (Keptolo?).

 

So I have no idea how one is going to pull off a "canon" story in BG 3.

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Lol Eneresting.

 

I've never heard of it which tells me it must've small website? And possibly smaller than Obsidian forums? At least that's my guess.. Sometimes it's hard to remmeber that a few people that keep commenting the same thing over and over often makes an issue appear bigger than what it really is (this thread or Steam forums for example) but in hardly annyone at all though, nor do the common mindset of a forum ever generalize a community as a whole - even if members on a website/forums would like to pretend otherwise.

 

Steam is great because the thing that often happens is that when someone doesn't like something,they'll make multiple threads saying the same thing in different wording. Fortunately, we don't have that problem here.

Dude, people everywere went ape**** over Fallout 3. There was a lot of noise everywhere, not only small communities but Metacritic or Gamespot too. Bethesda took one of the most beloved franchises and turned it into a ****ty Elder Scrolls with guns. Everything KDubya wrote is true.

 

Fallout ended with numer 2. 3/NV/4 are a completely different game, and while they might be fine as stand-alone, they are not true Fallout at all. Changes and improvements to gameplay are generally a great idea, but turning a good tactical RPG into a friggin shooter was a kick in the nuts. I did enjoy NV and F4, but only as an interesting shooter, not a continuation of Fallout legacy.

 

See where the series is going now. The next "Fallout" game we get is a damn shooter MMO :D I really feel bad for the series.

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So he's theoretically a non-issue now.

Bhaal was a dead middling god. Cyric is a trapped greater god. I think Cyric's ability to influence things is a bit higher at the moment than Bhaal's was in the original games.

 

That said, my speculation of what they could do is bordering on fanfiction. Just trying to say there's storylines they could do that at least intersect with the Bhaalspawn saga or turn it in some way.

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Dude, people everywere went ape**** over Fallout 3. There was a lot of noise everywhere, not only small communities but Metacritic or Gamespot too. Bethesda took one of the most beloved franchises and turned it into a ****ty Elder Scrolls with guns. Everything KDubya wrote is true.

 

Fallout ended with numer 2. 3/NV/4 are a completely different game, and while they might be fine as stand-alone, they are not true Fallout at all. Changes and improvements to gameplay are generally a great idea, but turning a good tactical RPG into a friggin shooter was a kick in the nuts. I did enjoy NV and F4, but only as an interesting shooter, not a continuation of Fallout legacy.

 

See where the series is going now. The next "Fallout" game we get is a damn shooter MMO :D I really feel bad for the series.

I'm not sure why you think you're teaching me about the Fallout franchise, everything you're saying I already knew.

 

New Vegas has always been and is still considered the best Fallout game by the vast majority and it's easy to see why. The complex systems and attention to detail were what made it superior to Fallout 1&2. It's true that the older games had more choice if that's where you're getting at but that doesn't mean the choices were as relevant as they were in New Vegas.

 

You forgot to mention Fallout Tactics btw, which was the first time Fallout actually shifted genres. Did everyone go crazy then too? It surely wasn't the greatest tactical rpg game but it wasn't a "Fallout" game by your definition either. So it didn't exactly end at Fallout 2, the again it was never truly established as a one genre type of franchise because of Tactics either.

 

So everything you wrote is not entirely true....

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Vast majority people think Tylor Swift is good artist, just saying...

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I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene"

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Vast majority people think Tylor Swift is good artist, just saying...

She is... She writes her own music, doesn't lip sync and doesn't cover her crappy guitar skills up with abominable tube/pedal distortion to where her guitar sounds like it hits multiple notes when judt hitting one ;)

 

She actually has talent lol

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Actually agree with Sonic here. The idea that an artist who has dominated multiple genres of music both as a writer and a performer is not good is ridiculous. I may not be the target audience of her work, but it would be arrogant of me to dismiss Taylor Swift as an artist.

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oh dont get me wrong, I admire her talents as well ;)

 

she is dominating as Justin Beiber do

I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene"

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I don't think most people realize that Taylor Swift started out as country artist then moved to pop and dipped her toes in some rock, metal and r&b.

 

The crossraods event was nice to see because she proved that she can headbang with the rest of them. However, getting 5 guys together and playing something with 3 half stacks or full stacks and making it sound good is the easiest thing in the world, where the real test of talent comes is when you strip things down, take all those effects away, and see who can actually perform - all to which Taylor has done exceptional at.

 

Justin Bieber on the other hand uses auto-tune, has lip-synced at least once, and doesn't write his own music.

 

It was strange to see that Taylor's voice and stage presence perfectly fitted in with Def Leppards music but Def Leppard didn't sound all that great covering her songs at the concert. Hmmm... An eye opener to versatility and it's uses with talent of the industry.

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oh dont get me wrong, I admire her talents as well ;)

 

she is dominating as Justin Beiber do

 

Not to be crass, but are you referring to her looks? I don't really get that. I mean, she's a nice looking girl, but I'd hardly say that her looks stand out. Kelly Clarkson makes similar music, would you dismiss her as well? 

 

Beiber is a very different case. Sonic already explained well enough, but he is still putting out good music despite it being more about his producers. It just isn't music you like. Again, that is not a problem. Not everything has to be created for your tastes. But it is arrogant to assume that means it is bad. Despacito is super catchy though, so you are missing out on that one.

 

 

Kind of makes me think of how I love Guns n' Roses, but I know Axle is a total tool. I'm not even sure if I would say he was talented, but he made great music with that band.

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Bhaal's plan succeeded, Volourn.

 

I think a Cyric v Bane and Bhaal conflict could be a decent basis for a new Bhaalspawn story. Bhaal got what he wanted, doesn't care, but Cyric finds some other generational or surviving descendents and starts pushing them around just to start problems. Or at least he starts spreading rumors and lies about it. Heck, Cyric's church were Sarevok's allies because Cyric really doesn't care about anything but causing chaos and Bhaalspawn were a way to do that. So that's just one angle to bring it back.

Wasn't Cyric imprisoned and depowered for 1000 years by Lathander and Liiria as per Ao decree for killing Mystra and causing a Spellplague? Not to mention, his portfolio took an enormous hit due to the return of the Dead Three. So he's theoretically a non-issue now.

 

But still, it is 5e we are talking about. And 5e is very 'pick-and-choose' about the canon. In 5e Forgotten Realms official canon and metastory at this point doesn't exist. It's all a mish-mash of diferrent information from both new and old sources - most of them contradictory. We literally don't know what gods are canonically active on Toril now, beacuse ALL of them are back - including the most obscure ones (Keptolo?).

 

So I have no idea how one is going to pull off a "canon" story in BG 3.

As I recall Cyric was imprisoned on his own plane for 100 years, but he remains a Major Diety of Chaos or some such. He is still allowed to grant his worshippers spells, but he is incapable of manifesting an avatar on Toril.

 

I forget if Shar was ever punished, but she's the other candidate for **** god enemy.

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" The complex systems and attention to detail were what made it superior to Fallout 1&2."

 

No.

 

 

And, I say that while liking FO:NV *a lot*.  But, it isn't better than the other two.

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Gigi D'Agostino was truer artist than Tay and Justin.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w15oWDh02K4

LOL I'm not sure if joking but just in case...

 

I take it you have no experience in the music industry, what you said is comparable to saying a luanchpad specialist/expert is more talented than 12 piece analog drum-kit amateur, there just isn't much reason behind that logic. Though if we lived in a world where backing tracks and anti-talent Trump'd legit talent and the ability to be unplugged then what you said may be true. If use of Loops and track stations equal talent then the earth be flat after all.

 

Break that guys labtop or cut the power at the venue and see how long he will be able to entertain an audience (They'll walk out of the nightclub and into the Ascend Ampithwater where if power is lost the entertainment will still be better).

 

P.S I like Lasgo and Culture Code better :p

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The complex systems and attention to detail were what made it superior to Fallout 1&2.

Hell no. Not even close.

 

I didn't mention Fallout Tactics because I'm doing my very best to remove all traces of this game from my memory. When I think about this game, I puke with my ears. It hurts a lot. Please let me forget this steaming pile of horse poop :(

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Muh...

 

I don't know what to think . It does feel unreal right ? 

 

I also don't want a sequel to BG2 . Seriously , leave it as it is..with the good and the bad . I rather remember that game fondly with its good and bad , then cram a new BG3 and it ruin the whole thing . 

 

Make it stand alone like that other BG  spear of whatever . 

I'll bet ye've got all sorts o' barmy questions! (She mimics your heroic stance) Greetin's, I have some questions... can ye tell me about this place? Who's the Lady o' Pain? I'm lookin' fer the magic Girdle of Swank Iron, have ye seen it? Do ye know where a portal ta the 2,817th Plane o' the Abyss might be? Do ye know where the Holy Flamin' Frost-Brand Gronk-Slayin' Vorpal Hammer o' Woundin' an' Returnin' an' Shootin'-Lightnin'-Out-Yer-Bum is?

 

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Muh...

 

I don't know what to think . It does feel unreal right ?

 

I also don't want a sequel to BG2 . Seriously , leave it as it is..with the good and the bad . I rather remember that game fondly with its good and bad , then cram a new BG3 and it ruin the whole thing .

 

Make it stand alone like that other BG spear of whatever .

Or you and the others can choose NOT to acknowledge its existence and let everyone else enjoy the new entry.

 

Seems like the more reasonable option than to keep the dev from doing something like this. Nobody's twisting y'alls arms, it's as easy as keeping off YouTube to avoid spoilers for a new movie or game ;)

 

I'm really curious to see what they'll do personally, hopefully it's good *says a prayer*

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Muh...

 

I don't know what to think . It does feel unreal right ?

 

I also don't want a sequel to BG2 . Seriously , leave it as it is..with the good and the bad . I rather remember that game fondly with its good and bad , then cram a new BG3 and it ruin the whole thing .

 

Make it stand alone like that other BG spear of whatever .

Or you and the others can choose NOT to acknowledge its existence and let everyone else enjoy the new entry.

 

Seems like the more reasonable option than to keep the dev from doing something like this. Nobody's twisting y'alls arms, it's as easy as keeping off YouTube to avoid spoilers for a new movie or game ;)

 

I'm really curious to see what they'll do personally, hopefully it's good *says a prayer*

 

that can be said to everyone about everything . 

 

I actually enjoyed that other BG Spear of something ? that everyone shat on...

 

I also don't mind spoilers . Spoilers don't kill..its stupid that does lol . 

 

It just feel like its been so long . This isn't the fallout that went from 2D to 3D..so at least it has that going for it . 

 

Are they even gonna use the same old infinity engine ? or something new ? 

 

I would love a sequel to Planescape Torment instead . 

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I'll bet ye've got all sorts o' barmy questions! (She mimics your heroic stance) Greetin's, I have some questions... can ye tell me about this place? Who's the Lady o' Pain? I'm lookin' fer the magic Girdle of Swank Iron, have ye seen it? Do ye know where a portal ta the 2,817th Plane o' the Abyss might be? Do ye know where the Holy Flamin' Frost-Brand Gronk-Slayin' Vorpal Hammer o' Woundin' an' Returnin' an' Shootin'-Lightnin'-Out-Yer-Bum is?

 

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