Dark Moth

I'm more partial to longer hair, but some women I think look good in short hair. Unfortunately for K2, Handmaiden was not one of them.

Methinks we should start a new topic about that before this one gets locked. :ph34r:

The Jedi were always warriors, he didn't 'turn' them into warriors, he merely spurred them into action. Then he goes off and kills/converts them. " He wasn't saving the Republic by killing the very people who defended it. I don't see how you can even make that conclusion. It's not hard to know that he was going to do that. You can easily gather that from both games. And you assume that Revan would destoy some worlds in the Republic but leave the government alone? Even still, you can't say that Revan wasn't going to replace the power structure behind the Republic with something else, and I think it's even more rediculous to say he would have just set up another democratic regime. You're going to conquer the Republic only to hand it over to someone else, or for that matter, a bunch of people? Just think about it. It's only logic. He did NOT destroy any worlds to TAKE OVER the Republic. Did you even see the movie? That's what I'm referring to. Read my posts. I said that Sidious destroyed the Republic. I never contradicted myself. Read my freakin posts, for crying out loud, or don't respond at all. <_< Historians can know the motives of many historical people, but this is a different case. GO-TO is a droid who never never knew Revan or associated with him. To boot, he had nothing else to work with but Revan's actions. The only evidence he gives was that little blurb about leaving some structures intact. That's it. The evidence he gives for his analyisis is weak at best, to say anything other than that would be making up stuff that's not in the game. And as Ulicus said, you can't call it a Jedi Civil war because once the Jedi leaves the order and embraces the Sith, they are no longer Jedi. And once again, it wasn't just fought by Jedi either. And please tell me how you gathered from Kreia that Revan somehow knew about the Mandalorians before Malachor V, because I never gathered that from her.

I agree. The fool should have used plate armor, a shield, and sword of +2 power.

Do you know what "infrastrutures" are? I'm not being snide, I'm just curious. Could you give examples of which you refer to that Revan attacked? Because it was Malak who went around blowing up planets. Revan didn't attack any key MILITARY targets. Revan spurred the Jedi into action, he didn't obliterate them all. Oh, and attacking the Jedi wasn't attacking the Republic's infrastructure. It was attacking those Jedi that Revan felt were going to remain inactive. He made the Jedi become warriors, rather than pacifists. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Actually, I shouldn't have used that phrase. What I meant was that Revan meant to destroy many factors of the Republic that made it what it was. For instance, we know that Revan was attacking the Jedi order. He used places like Malachor V and the Star Forge to break Jedi's will and turn them into Sith/Dark Jedi. Revan knew that converting an enemy is the best way to defeat them, and he did. But this is still effectively destroying the Jedi. The Jedi were one of the defining characteristics of the Republic. Revan also meant to eventually replace the very government of the Republic with his own; an empire which he probably viewed as 'strong', or at least strong enough to counter the Sith. While this doesn't involve destroying any worlds, it is still in effect destroying the Republic. Remember: Sidious didn't destroy any worlds, yet he still effectively destroyed the Republic and replaced it with the Galactic Empire. Don't forget, the Republic is more than just the worlds themselves, it is also the power structure behind them. That is why I say GO-TO's quote doesn't make sense and contradicts what we've seen already. And as I said, GO-TO wasn't Revan, he wasn't even associated with him, so he can't really know what Revan's motives were.

One other flaw with GO-TO's quote is that it condradicts most of what we've seen. GO-TO was not Revan, he wasn't even human, yet GO-TO says that Revan did not intend to destroy the Republic, as if he knew his motives. Revan only left certain structures intact so he could have something to use to protect his own empire and fight the ASE. And it's also inconsistant with the fact that Revan was attacking many infastructures within the Republic, inlcuding the Jedi. This is partly due to the fact that K2 tried to make Revan into a hero no matter what, and I think it only ended up making things even more confusing and self-contradictory.

Wha du ya 'o? ith's twu! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Actually, I know a guy who can do that! And I didn't even believe him until he actually showed me.

I guess I've fallen prey to visualizing people based on their avatars. I know it's rediculous, but everytime I say, think of GOA I think of Yoda smoking while typing on a keyboard. Or numbers guy dancing around while he's posting. Or Jaguars4ever laughing constantly while he's typing. Or Darth Launch as either a purple-haired anime chick or a spork. :">

Kreia had the ability to "mask her presence" from the Jedi. That's how she was able to avoid Atris, and Atris never even saw Kreia in person. And even still, the Sith have spies, and it would be hard to not notice Jedi Masters parading around a planet, esp. one like Tatooine or even Korriban! Information travels. And don't forget about Korriban. If the Sith saw Jedi Masters there, then the effort would really have been lost.

Yes, but if they drew attention, Malak might be able to track their movements and figure out their plans. Don't forget, they were hunting for the Star Forge and couldn't risk Malak knowing that they knew about it. If they had two Jedi Masters guarding them, then Malak would figure out that they were on a very important mission, and do everything in his power to stop it. Who know, he might send in an army of Sith just to capture your squad or even blow up the planet you're on. In the game, all he sends are a few dark Jedi after you, and they are really easy to handle.

I don't know, the Exile has been gone a long time. Besides, no one ever said the Exile was very bright... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Actually, the exile did seem a tad dull in some scenes, especially when talking to Kreia. They even have Kreia contradict herself in some scenes to make the exile look stupid: Kreia: "No one can possess that kind of power and still be called..." Exile: "How can anyone have that kind of power?" Kreia: "Power? No, you are mistaken..."

Anyone else notice how anime characters seem to disregard normal haircolor? It can be brown, black, green, purple, blue, anything! Gotta admire Japan's sense of creativity.

Did you play K1? If so, And like the rest of the Jedi, she was hiding.

What do you mean, exactly? And you obviously don't remember the bad guys taking over in Episode III. " Exactly. But in my book and many others, gaining power by any means necessary isn't okay. And from what I gathered from your posts, you were always eager to defend the Sith and Revan but eager to condemn the Jedi council. " And of course, your example about the Sith taking over the galaxy using the same means the Jedi council seems to suggest that you don't think either situation is any different, therefore disregarding black and white. My pointis that you can't see in black and white, but to disregard them entirely is plain foolish. And I'm not saying that the Jedi were justified just because they were the good guys. They were, but I'm taking everything into consideration: circumstance, motives, objectives, etc. You have to count everything. And that is why I said they were justified. And for another example, I didn't think the council was completely justified in their actions in K2, even though they were the 'good' guys. I know you didn't. But I gave you that example to show you that sometimes it's easy to know what a crime against humanity is. Even the most LS people can fall to the DS. Revan was the same way. How could they have known he wouldn't have done the same thing again? They were in no position to tell him. And as I said, if Revan was DS, then they were even more justified. And I'll say it again: inexperienced doesn't always mean incapable. Besides, you fail to acknowledge that you got Bastila earlier in the game than Juhani or Jolee. Besides, you got Carth at level 1 or 2, so are you going to say that he was very young and inexperienced? If you're going to use character levels to justify that, than Carth is even more inexperienced than Bastila. " Did Dodonna head the Jedi order? No. The Republic officers do not command the Jedi, the Jedi council does. Same way the Army officers don't have control over the Air Force, or Policeman having control over the Fire Department. And what exactly do you mean in your example? Malak would still be hunting Bastila regardless if Masters went with her or not. And as I said, it would only be easier for Malak to notice them. If that were to happen, he'd probably use even more force to catch them and also be able to find them more easily. Besides, if all go out and do everything themselves, then the Jedi are left leaderless while their leaders are out playing war.

Kreia single handedly trumps (trumped?) them all. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yet she couldn't even beat Sion. "

1. If you can think of another plan, fire away. Otherwise, do not just use quotes like that to try to make your point. My point is, that while there may have been another far-fetched option, there really was no other that they could have done on the spur of the moment that presented itself. There really was no other way. 2. Your problem is that you see things entirely in gray and refuse to acknowledge that black and white even exist. Don't forget: black and white have to exist for there to be gray. Of course it's unjustified, because the Sith are only doing that to accomplish goals of destruction and power-gain for their own ends. The Jedi did that to save lives and stop a war, not for their own selfish ambition, as the Sith in your example did. Unless you call saving lives a selfish ambition. Bastila was at that time the crutch the Republic was leaning on at the time. Malak realized this and wanted to destroy that crutch. And if you even bothered to listen to the game, you would know that they were still able to hold their own, but Malak would have defeated them eventually out of sheer numbers. 3. So you wouldn't call killing thousands (or in the game, millions) of innocent people a crime? Wow. You really do see all in gray. Sure you can't always say what a crime is and what isn't, but for crying out loud in many cases you can! As for not telling Revan, so you would just tell him right away then he refuses to help them and goes off and reclaims his mantle right away? Your example is far from convincing. 4. Now you're confusing the storyline with the actual game itself. Don't forget, this is a game, and of course they wouldn't give Bastila to you as a level 20 or even a level 10 Jedi sentinal. It's called gameplay and stat-building, my friend. And young and inexperienced doesn't always equal incapable. Revan was also young and inexperienced when he went off to fight the Mandalorian wars. The only thing that saved him was his ability to make sacrifices and his gift of strategy. And, of course, he was strong naturally powerful in the force. But of course, we all know that Revan fell to the darkside anyway. 5. Did you even listen to the game? They couldn't have Bastila running around with Jedi Masters, it would attract too much attention. And it's not as if the Masters sit around drinking tea all day. And if you knew anything about the military, the high-ranking officers and Genrals usually are the ones who are needed in other places OTHER than combat. Their skills are needed behind the front lines, not out on the field. This situation is very similar. As I said, they had no other choice. They were justified.

Great Carth pic, Julianw. You should be proud of it earning two fangirl squeals of approval. I should really contribute to this thread more often.

Don't complain! My entire "Embarrassing moment"-thread mysteriously disappeared <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yup. And then we have Authority coming over and locking a thread for no reason and giving us a Communist comic as an excuse. Then he comes over and tampers with my post. I think we have a case of power-trip here. Uh-oh...looks like some guys are coming to take me over to the ministry of knowledge. :ph34r: While I like brunettes, I can go with any hair color. Although I think a girl with purple hair would be the sweetest thing.

Did you search the room he was in? If I were you, I'd just keep going on with your quests.

Are we talking K2 characters only, or characters from both game? I guess mine (from K2) would be: Mira (probably the best at ranged combat) Handmaiden (great for melee and unarmed combat) Visas (using her force powers and a lightsaber) And of course, all three are hot as well. It's just like Charlie's Angels.

Brunettes. Although I think any hair color can look good on a woman. It also depends upon the woman, too. Some people look better with a particular hair color than others. And why the heck did Authority close down the cat vs dog poll? There was nothing wrong with that thread. Authority is abusing his authority! Authority: No, Im not. "

1. What else could they have done? Killed him (which goes against their beliefs), and then all would have been lost, or do the only thing that had a chance of saving them? And death is the end of your physical life, at least by doing what they did they gave him a second chance. The point is, Jediphile, you don't realize that they had no other choice. And you can't say they could have told Revan (at least during the game), because the chances were far too great. If Revan refused to cooperate, then all would have been lost. And they were especially justified if your Revan was DS in the game. If anything, what they did was less cruel than death. And as I said, the only reason they did it was because they had no other choice, whereas the Sith would do that just because they could. 2. As I said above, they had a damn good reason to hide the truth from him, at least for the time. And they did believe in rehabilitation, because they also gave him a second chance in doing what they did. They could have tried to punish him after K1 for all the crimes he did as Sith Lord, but they didn't. Besides, would you just let Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein get away with their crimes? If someone commits heinous crimes against humanity, then you do of course administer justice to them. I would expect them to do the same to Bin Laden or Saddam Hussein. Of course, you don't commit the same kinds of barbaric acts they do, but there are other ways to administer justice. What the Jedi council did was better than death. And besides, we know Revan eventually gets more of his memories back, anyway. 3. Yes, she was the leader of it. She says so in the game. Unfortunately, I don't have a quote right now. And Bastila was indeed a capable Jedi in her own right. She wasn't as powerful as Revan, but she was very gifted in the force and was able to master the art of Battle Meditation quickly. I'm not saying what the council did would be fine in any situation, I only think it's justified because there was no other alternative, and that's why they did it. And I don't think they even did it for punishment, either. They did it simply because it was there one chance of ending the war.

No, I think she's implying that's why men have survived so long. And so this post isn't spam: Also, race-specific weaponry and items might be nice, also. I'm not talking about items that are barred from certain classes, but items that give special bonuses or abilities to the user depending on their race.

Because the Ring of Power has a will of its own...Once it takes hold, it never lets go... Besides, wouldn't women be more effected by its corruption, with their fascination with shiny, pretty things and all? I would say I'd love an RPG that's first person, but that's already being done with Hellgate: London. Also, as others have said, it'd be fun to have an RPG that doesn't center around force-users. And you could have different prestige classes such as Bounty Hunters, Fighter Pilots, troopers, etc. EDIT: and I'd also like to see the option to choose different races. Each one could have it's own set of strengths and weakness, and each one could also be stronger in a particular class than others. You could have wookies which are good for combat, Rodians which are good for skills, humans which are the "jack of all trades", etc. Although it'd be hard finding a good class for hutts. :D

Actually your post count per day is what really counts, I think. GOA has over 5,000, but he's also been here for over a year. Meanwhile, Jodo's been here only since earlier this summer and has already reached over 1000 posts. I don't know whether to be happy or sad that I'm already well past 400 posts (and that's not even including my WOT posts!) :"> Enderwiggin is the champ, though. 8000+ posts!