Kalfear

Welp gotta say I think alot of you putting the cart way before the horse on this topic. Of course the MMORPG is going to have a monthly rate, thats a given from where im standing but that doesnt make it bad (well depending on the monthly rate of course). Bioware has aproven track record of creating very indepth quests/missions so I TOTALLY EXPECT them to continue with that level of story telling in their MMORPG. I think Bioware can make a great MMORPG if EA gives them the time needed to make it properly. Plus being in the KotOR setting is just a huge bonus. Totally dont think this project is KotOR3 though for couple reasons. First and formost, KotOR was never advertised as a trilogy. The games open endings make it feel like one but LA never actually came out and said its a Trilogy like Bioware has done for Mass Effects. 2nd off, the Revan Storyline would be to restrictive as a global mission for a MMORPG. I could see fighting against Revan or going on a quest to find him but there is some much else to the setting. KotOR is not 100% about Revan. There is so much more to the time period and setting then just Revan. Honestly I wouldnt mind at all if they just left Revan outta the game all togather and focused on the KotOR setting rather then whats been told in offline games. Anyways, as I said, im just giddy with excitement over this prodject, I cant wait (well I can). Going to come back to online gaming refreshed and with new level of excitement and cant wait to play a jedi and a sith and explore all there will be to both characters. PS: If they allow creature Handlers to the game I quit before it even starts! Leave UO classes in UO!

So read this news on a different forum I visit and just had to pop back here and gloat (lol!) I told everyone a year ago when Bioware announced a undisclosed project it would be a MMORPG but I got shouted down by the so called "Smart Marks" of the forum at the time. My turn to gloat (grins) Ok, now that over with (heh), Im actually REALLY PUMPED about a KotOR MMORPG. Galaxies is a joke and is (and always was) basically Ultima Online with a Star Wars shell. I have to beleive Bioware will be a better job, even though it is their first MMORPG ever. The only thing that scared me is the possibility EA doesnt give them enough time to do it right. BUT, I sure hope someone makes aKotOR 3 as well. Loved 1 and 2 so of course I will play 3 if its ever made. Just like I will for sure play Jade Empire 2 and Mass Effects 2-3. You dont pass on quality titles! Things im looking forward to from the MMORPG: 1) Exploration. Exploration has always been a important aspect of Bioware games and I have no doubt that it will remain so in a MMORPG. I hope they start like Galaxies with 10 or so planets and then unlike Galaxies add a new planet every year in the yearly expansion. Just think of all the possibilities. LOL, im giddy with excitement. 2) Jedi (and Sith) As the game takes place in Old Republic, JEDI and SITH are active. I got so freaking bored to death in Galaxies with all the whines about how there should be no Jedi or Sith in the ANH time frame. This time frame allows Jedi and Sith so that should eliminate all the whiners from Galaxies. 3) The Sith Academy of Korriban and the temples behind it. OMG I CANT WAIT. KotOR just touched the surface of this planet and its endless adventure. Even though I normally play the hero I might make a sith just to experience this area. Again im giddy with excitement! 4) A new start. Earlier this year I finally got tired of the backstabing and politics of my goodie guild and left and quit ALL MMORPGS. I swore I would not return to MMORPGs for any game other then a new KotOR Star Wars MMORPG. This is going to be exciting! For the last 16 years have lead a goodie guild and all the head aches that come with that never truely playing and doing whats best for me personally. Now I get to find a new guild, make new online freinds (cause my old ones disowned me for quiting guild...LOL good freinds huh?). Im actually excited, a new begining in a new game for me. I get to make new contacts that are for me not guild. No more spending endless hours in meetings and crap for a bunch of selfish people that never give back (not all to be fair but some, more then should have been). No more helping someone level 3 different characters in game after game after game only to see them/her refuse to help anyone else when asked. hehehe, I get to be a hero under my own terms. I cant wait What I dont wanna see: 1) Wow clone. I really hope KotOR MMORPG is more alike their Xbox game then just taking ideas from WOW. I know WOW is popular and has a huge subscriber list but that doesnt make it the best game on the market, just the most popular. What I am hoping for is a nice balance between grouping and solo play, very indepth influence system (you should be rewarded for doing good or bad deeds), and a challenge (you shouldnt max out in 3 days... maybe 3 months but not 3 days). 2) Children. I hope the game is designed for adults, 18 and older. To many games (WOW specifically) dumb themselves down to attract the lowest common denominator online. I hope KotOR MMORPG is better then that. Let WOW have the dredges of society, I want my SW game to be smart and appealing. Anyways, thats my preliminary lists, Ill add more later. So how about anyone else? Looking forward to this and why? Not looking forward and why? Lets have a discussion that doesnt get locked down.

Definately the Old Republic for me. Thats the time line that holds the most interest for me. Course im NOT a skywalker/darth vader fan so that kinda ruins ANH and later stories. I would write about Old Republic, jedi, sith, and beyond known space.

1) Again find a different forum then to be apart of, Take this forum for example, I use to be a regular contributer here but because of posters like Tale coming In I rarley post or read here because truth be told, its just a waste of my time and energy to argue with someone so far below my level. He/She is below me. Sounds arogent but sadly its true. Id much rather spend time debateing with folks that challenge and expand my knowledge then argue about mundane things that dont matter. 2) well thing is, all forums always represent a small minority. Simple fact is the mass majority of players dont waste their times in forums, they spend time playing game. This the reason why I always been a advocate of in game polling by companies so they get a true representation of what the majority wants/needs. 3) Naaa, in many MMORPGS they only appear to listen to a small minority, fact is most MMORPGs dont listen to anyone at all. They only appear to listen to some group, appearence can be misleading. For the record, Eve (I played when first released) isnt a true mmorpg. Because of that how it handles issues in fact would impact subscription base harder then a normal mmorpg. I have many freinds that remain playing it and they are very satisfied with the changes EvE has made over the years so not sure what your unhappy with. 4) How much is up to designers. Fact is though, be it a little or alot, jedi are stronger then bounty hunters and only the designers can answer how much or how little. However thats NOT up to the playing public. Never has been and never should be.

Not sure what your trying to get at here Silent? I read the quoted peice and really the poster said nothing at all to be honest. Seems to me the guy was complaining about forums (and if im reading right forums not owed or operated by game creater). To the poster I would say, if you dont like the community there, try a different community. Different message forums offer different rules and experiences, you just have to look around to find them is all. What I think you are talking about is the mess that was SWG. Listen SWG was miss ran from day one. Be it the game or the forums related to the game. Every "change" the mods made were not changes supported by the general public but changes that were requested by a small group of players that had the mods ears and were only out to benefit themselves and not the game over all. The experiences people had in SWG should not be looked at as the norm for MMORPGs. Usually game designers look to create expansions and changes supported by the majority of players. This is why game changing changes and expansions almost always have a open beta/trial period before going live. SWG is the ONLY game I can think of that didnt let the player base have a say in general. As for the "who should be more powerful" arguement. Thats easy. Jedi by design are more powerful then Bounty Hunters, end of topic and arguement.

Yet another leap in logic. Bio has had MMO under work (prolly just in preproduction tho' ) for years. Only IP's deal/promise was exactly that. Now we see how much we can trust Bio's word. Still, can't said their IP's have been dramatically original to this date either... what a let down. Maybe DA changes that. ROFLMAO! So your logic on topic is disbeleive Biowares word and form your own opinion ignoring the facts??? LOL, WOW, thats all I can really say about that. I now understand why you and Tale and others think so steadily its K3. Hell why stop at K3? Maybe Bioware and LA making a animated SW7 movie and not a game at all. I mean if were going to toss all the info away and just make **** up

How so Calax? Im just using what we all know (minus the unreliable websites like Tale was quoting). As I said before, at some point you just have to look at the facts and rumors and say 1+1 does infact equal 2. look at the facts and rumors and tell me how you can attain any other conclusion? I just dont see how myself. Fact: Bioware and LA have joined forces again Fact: Bioware not interested in doing other companies single player IP games anymore Fact: Bioware is making a MMORPG by their own admission Fact: SWG loses Star Wars Licence in 2009 Rumor: KotOR MMORPG is being made in Austin Rumor: KotOR3 is NOT being made at all BTW: For the record im happy with MMORPG or KotOR3 (for xbox 360). Either or makes me a happy gamer SWG sucks and is basically UO with a Star Wars shell so Ive always wanted a better mmorpg for SW (set in KotOR time as its a better more playable time frame). KotOR3 needed to finish off the trilogy as 2 left us hanging story wise. Either makes me happy so I really have no preference, just logically speaking KotOR3 just doesnt make any sence when you look at all the facts involved.

Perhaps it is true that Bioware mite be producing a MMORPG. But not likely based on the Knights Of The Old Republic where Revan & the Exile are concerned. They are probably reserving toughs titles for single player game play at the very lest. But it dose not mean that they are not developing & actually MMORPG of The Knights Of The Old Republic Era. That could, but not necessarily use the D20 system & art form from Knights Of The Old Republic single player games... naaa MMORPG makes sence. Its obvious now that its KotOR3 OR KotOR MMORPG. But at some point common sence has to play into the topic, the mmorpg rumors have been flying around since bioware announced they making one. KotOR3 however have NOT been flying around at all. In fact its pretty common knowledge, as Bioware flat out said it regarding kotor2" They have no interest at all in doing someone elses IP single player game. Thats why they didnt make KotOR2, LA offered it to them and they declined and offered up Obsidian because they wanted to focus on their own IPs. So with Mass Effects coming out on Nov 20, and Jade Empire 2 in the rumor section to start the next year, KotOR3 just doesnt fit no matter how hard you wish for it. Bioware just NOT interested in other companies single player IP games. Really cant be any more clear then that. So lets use some common sence here folks. Fact: Bioware and LA have joined forces again Fact: Bioware not interested in doing other companies single player IP games anymore Fact: Bioware is making a MMORPG by their own admission Fact: SWG loses Star Wars Licence in 2009 Rumor: KotOR MMORPG is being made in Austin Rumor: KotOR3 is NOT being made at all final result: Bioware making a MMORPG based on KotOR for Lucas Arts to release sometime after 2009 (2010 would be a better bet). If you come to any other conclusion you really just trolling and trying to start arguements for arguements sake. PS: Made this new thread cause after reading old thread, Tale and groupies had pretty much taken that topic of topic and spammed it, so new topic was needed.

This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. The contention in regards to Lucasarts is if it is even an MMO AT ALL. Not what brand of MMO it is. This would only apply if you've seen or heard anything. You've seen nothing and the only thing you've heard is a rumor from a non-reputable source. If it looks like nothing and you heard it's a duck from a drunken hobo, it might be a duck, but it also might be a tubesock. umm the link I provided is legit, Its a joint announcement from both Bioware and Lucas Arts. Again if they make this announcement (looks like a duck) then put up mmorpg area on their site (sounds like a duck) not a huge leap to put two togather (is a duck) Your the one tossing around non reputable sources, I only beleive what the companies say and do. Again, they NOW admit they working togather again OFFICALLY They add new area to web site same day (not a accident) pretty easy to tell they doing a MMORPG togather based on Star Wars. Since Biowares SW success has been KotOR its a pretty easy guess what the MMORPG will be about.

Thing is, LA doesnt have the Rights to Firefly, it does however own the Star Wars right which is why a official announcement that LA and Bio working togather adds merit to the rumor its a KotOR game, Plus just looked at Bioware site and as of the 30th (same day as this announcement) a MMORP forum gone up. LOL, if its looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it might be a duck

freind sent this to me, doesnt say WHAT they working on togather but they ARE doing something Exciting News For BioWare Fans [Oct 30] LucasArts and BioWare have entered into an agreement to create an interactive entertainment product. The product, details of which will be unveiled at a later date, will be developed and published by BioWare and LucasArts. http://www.lucasartsbioware.com/

Online GM events was done in NWN (original on AOL) and the Realms (seirra) MMORPGames. Its a great concept but because of size of MMORPGS now adays Its wouldnt have the same flare or effect. Back then you could only get, upto 200 players online at one time, now adays you have 1000s and 1000s online at one time, there is no way a GM could run a event the same way of have the same effect in modern games. A couple of guild mates (in old guild I founded then cancelled) got GM items from events in EQ2, sfter learning how they obtained them it was more like GM just picked them outta the blue then them doing anything special to get item (all you had to do was appear at said spot). GM run events a nice idea but not truely feasible anymore because of numbers of players.

LOL wow, you and Tale must be a newbie tag team to this forum. Both of you really need to enter reality, Mass Effects is going to do HUGE numbers and be a top earner and most played game of the year easily. And how do you know the combat sucks? Since the pre sales havent even gone out yet? Sorry but its not Nov 20th yet little one. Let me guess, you call Mass Effects in the Fantasy genre (and not sci fi) as well dont you. How about you actually play the game before you pass judgement.

Anyone know when SW Series going to hit the TV? We need a good Sci fi series again

KOTOR is Fantasy. Even moreso than Star Wars proper. KotOR is sci fi but thanks for that oh so important addiction you made. To answer someone elses question SWG had pretty much every class you could think of, including classes that didnt exist in SW (creature Handler...LOL I didnt see any people running around the planets with pet rancors following them in toe in any of the movies). Really though, the classes wouldnt be that hard to make, start with soldier, scout, smuggler like KotOR 1 did and at some point allow players to trade up to a more advanced class, be it jedi, sith, bounty hunter, which ever and have a interesting and complete story line of quests to attain those classes. Problem solved. At one point in SWG history they created the force sensitive village, this was by far the best creation they ever made, just they FORGOT that going jedi was a solo thing and they forced grouping in the village which ruined the idea. Any KotOR MMORPG could make the same type of thing but created for solo play with more story and its all over but the crying. Anyways, again I still think a Mass Effects or Jade Empire MMORPG more likely from Bioware but at least there is hope in there being a DECENT SW MMORPG