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Wow...I've missed a lot of art. Since there's so many, I'm just going to say great art everyone!!!! Kudos to all the artists. Keep it up, guys. And maybe one of these days I might post another picture myself. Like my new avatar, guys? I always loved this character, even if he was underfeatured (kinda like Nihilus). Um, not that anyone cares. But I think it's way cooler than say, having a spork as your avatar. :ph34r:
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Speculation on the Jedi Masters
Dark Moth replied to DAWUSS's topic in Star Wars: General Discussion
They didn't. Kreia came in and killed them before they had a chance to finish the process, therefore the exile kept his/her connection to the force. You can't say Revan wasn't as dangerous as the Mandalorians just because he left some military structures intact. He was far more dangerous not only because of his ability at strategy but because of the weapons he possessed (Star Forge, Malchor V, etc.) Also, here's another link with info about Revan for those confused about his beginnings. Revan discovered the Sith Empire while he was wondering the galaxy after the wars. He first heard about them at Malachor (with their teachings and holocrons), and then eventually discovered them. That was when he decided to wage war on the Republic to supposedly strengthen it. But by that time, he was hopelessly lost to the Jedi, so they couldn't trust him anyway, especially if he went DS. If he refused to cooperate with them, then all would have been lost to them, so yes, I think they were also justified in not telling him. It was not a time where they could afford to take chances. It was a necessary evil. If you look at the link, it says the council wanted to wait because they sensed the true threat hadn't revealed itself, and they were right. The true threat was the Sith, and they hadn't revealed themselves. The Jedi were going to act. They wouldn't sit idly by and let the entire Republic be destroyed, even they aren't that stupid. Think about it. They only wanted to wait. As for the exile, you got me there, I admit. But even if they wanted to cut him off because they were afraid he could kill the force, you can't say they were justified in their actions, which I'm sure most of you agree with. But unfortunately, if it takes sacrficing one person to save thousands of others, then sometimes you have to do that. That was the case with both Revan and the exile. I just think the council was more justified with their actions toward Revan. Jediphile, I still don't see how you can even say the Jedi are as bad as the Sith. And last time I checked, the Jedi weren't the ones responsible for the killings, slayings, and destruction you see in the games and the movies. The Jedi are flawed, definitely, but as a whole, I still think they are better than the Sith. At least that's what my good half says. One last thing: In my link, it refers to Kreia and Kae as two separate people. While this might be proof, I think this is fairly compelling evidence that suggests Kreia wasn't Kae. -
Speculation on the Jedi Masters
Dark Moth replied to DAWUSS's topic in Star Wars: General Discussion
You really do like to paint everything in K1 in a great light, and everything in K2 in a poor light, don't you? You say what the masters did in K1 was for the benefit of the entire galaxy, yet the masters in K2 are idiots because of what they did. Hmm, they did what they did in K2 for the very same reason, because they felt the Exile was a danger to the ENTIRE GALAXY. They thought (doesn't mean they were right, but we're talking about their reasons here) that the Exile would be the death of the Force and the death therefore of the galaxy, so they stripped him of the Force. I just find it humorous to read all your posts when K1 and K2 are compared. You make anything and everything in K1 seem to make 100% perfect sense, but then make anything and everything in K2 seem illogical or unrealistic or downright stupid. This thread is the perfect example. Apparently it was okay for the Jedi Masters in K1 to take it upon themselves to wipe someone's mind for the better of the general population, but yet it was "idiotic" of the Masters in K2 to do the something similar for the greater good. Funny how things work when seen through rose colored glasses. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well, for one thing, I do often look at K1 in a positive light because I think it was a lot better done. Not everything in k1 makes 100% perfect sense, but they do a lot more than they do in K2. As for Revan, the Jedi were justified because he was killing off their order and hurting the Republic. They were merely defending themselves. Did you honestly expect them to sit down and have a chat with Revan over fried gizka asking him to kindly stop attacking them? In K2, the exile (LS) was trying to help the republic. He didn't know he was a danger, but he still was trying to save the Jedi order. But the Jedi Masters, in their fear and ignorance, decided to condemn him instead of help him. They were not justified. There was another way to defeat the Sith other than cutting off the exile from the force, and you proved that by beating them all yourself. In K1, there really was no other way. If you can come up with an alternate thing the Jedi could have done in K1, please explain away. And if Revan truly wanted to help the Republic, he would have done a "Gandalf" and counseled all the nations to prepare for war, not attack them outright. In attacking them, he weakened the Republic and the Jedi and left it vulnerable. And Revan did not know about the True Sith when he went to fight the Mandalorians, so you can't say he even knew about them at the time of his departure to fight. EDIT: Hooray, 400 posts. I need to take a break. -
Speculation on the Jedi Masters
Dark Moth replied to DAWUSS's topic in Star Wars: General Discussion
Only 2 flaws in your argument: 1. Revan didn't even know about the True Sith when he went to fight the Mandalorians. He discovered them either during or after the Mandalorian wars. The Jedi wanted to wait because they sensed another threat out there, and it turned out being the True Sith. Revan going to war was just what the Sith Empire wanted. 2. The exile followed Revan to war. If Revan hadn't gone, it's likely the exile wouldn't have gone either, therefore no 'general', no Malachor V, no wound in the force, no Nihilus. And if Revan hadn't fought in the wars, there would be no Jedi civil war, and the Republic would actually have been stronger for that and more able to deal with the Sith. Also, without Nihilus, most Jedi would have survived, and the Republic would have been even stronger. And even if you say Revan was justified because he discovered the Sith Empire, if he really wanted to save the Republic, he would not have fought it, he would have tried to strengthen it by other means. Civil war only weakens a nation. And Bastila did accept responsibility for Revan's mind being wiped. It upset her greatly, and as I said earlier, she couldn't stand it. That was one of the seeds planted in her mind that eventually led to her distrust of the Jedi and her fall to the darkside. -
There's another game inconsistancy: K2 acted as if destroying entire plants was a new thing. You saw the Death Star blow up a planet in Episode IV, no wound in the force. Malak we know killed off at least three planets (Telos, Taris, and Dantooine) and we know Taris had more lives than were on Malachor. Still, no wound in the force. And the exile didn't go through all of Peragus without the force. As soon as you get to level 1, you get the force back. And so what if Revan only lived a year or so without the force? He still did it, and proved he could get by without it.
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Speculation on the Jedi Masters
Dark Moth replied to DAWUSS's topic in Star Wars: General Discussion
No, the Jedi acted purely out of desperation in K1. They had no other choice. It was in K2 where they acted out of fear and arrogance. (see my above post) And Revan going to war actually hurt the Republic in the long one, for it soon sparked the Jedi civil war and created the wound in the force at Malachor V. In a sense, the Jedi were right. And Bastila didn't 'use' you because she wanted to. She had to. She had a duty to do, and she did it. And she also hated herself for it as well (she tells you later on). Revan going to war in the Mandalorian wars might have actually killed off more lives than saved them. EDIT: fixed a little grammatical error above. -
Meh. I'm basically a tech robot. <_<
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Revan definitely would have won. The only reason the exile is strong is because he/she is a wound in the force. Revan was always powerful. And the exile was nothing without the force, either. He lived, but he couldn't do anything. The only time he made a difference in his life was when he could feel the force. The only reason he defeated Nihilus was because Nihilus couldn't feed off him. Revan was one of the greatest force-users ever. And Revan was powerful without the force, too. Just look at all he had done on Taris before he re-established his powers. Revan>Exile
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Speculation on the Jedi Masters
Dark Moth replied to DAWUSS's topic in Star Wars: General Discussion
I'm not referring to the ones in K2, am I? I'm talking about the ones in K1. The three of them (Vrook, Kavar, Zez-kai ell) were idiots. Atris was a b1tch and Vash got killed. The wiser ones: Vandar, Dorak, Zhar, were all killed. Actually, the ones in K2 didn't even seem that bad until the ending scene on Dantooine. There that's where they really sunk to a new low. But if the Jedi Masters were always as idiotic as K2 made them seem, the Jedi order would not have survived. Their actions in K1 were justified, their actions in K2 were not. End of story. -
Speculation on the Jedi Masters
Dark Moth replied to DAWUSS's topic in Star Wars: General Discussion
A lot more likeable? Are you talking about the same "likeable" Jedi Masters who stole your mind and identity, stripping you of every memory that you had, all because they wanted to achieve their own goals? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Achieve their own goals? You mean saving the galaxy and countless lives from a monster, right? I guess if you call that 'their own goals', yes. Revan was a monster at the time of his betrayal, no matter how you look at it. Malak was a monster. Both had caused horrible damage to the Republic. Revan, because he wanted to fight the 'true Sith' and Malak just because he wanted to see things blow up. The Jedi had to do something to save themselves and defeat the Sith. It was war, for crying out loud. And what else could they have done? Besides, it was Malak's betrayal that damaged Revan's mind in the first place. You have to listen to what Bastila says. On the Rakatan temple, she also explains how you have a new identiy, but still kept all the essence of who you were before your betrayal and memory wipe. What would you have done? What else could they have done? Nothing. And the ones in K1 were a whole lot more likeable (even Vrook wasn't as annoying, but he was still a schutta), and a whole lot more wise, too. The ones in K2 were the bottom of the barrel. -
Another one? Bold words, and I would like to have a list of other inconsistencies. This one, as I explained, isn't an inconsistency. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Please read my entire post instead of taking it out of context, thank you. And there were inconsistancies in the game, so it's not like that was the only one. One of the things I disliked about K2 was that they seemed to radically downplay Bastila's character and 'deify' Revan to the point where he seemed like a force god. I thought that was a little unrealistic. I think the main reason for this, though, was to turn him into a hero no matter what and make the players feel good about themselves. Bastila was in hiding, that's why the Sith didn't know about her. Perhaps Revan's main task for her was to be safe from the Sith because he realized he would need her later, and, of course, he loved her as well. I just hope they give her character her credit back in K3.
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Speculation on the Jedi Masters
Dark Moth replied to DAWUSS's topic in Star Wars: General Discussion
Also, K2 isn't a good representation of what the Jedi Masters are normally like. They were a lot more likeable in K1, except for Vrook. The ones in K2, to be blunt, were a bunch of dumbasses (and traitors, to boot). -
KotoR 3: Ideas and Suggestions
Dark Moth replied to Fionavar's topic in Star Wars: General Discussion
Also, a melee shield would deflect the bullets, since they're solid projectiles. And a Jedi could also force-push them away like Neo in The Matrix. -
KotoR 3: Ideas and Suggestions
Dark Moth replied to Fionavar's topic in Star Wars: General Discussion
I personally would love to see an RPG that doesn't focus on Jedi or force-users, just so long as it's not K3. We have to have force users for that one. After that, I don't care. -
Dude, you flamed and you got a thread locked. Get over it. And I think the thread had outlived its usefulness, anyway. But I do agree perhaps he should have only listed reason #1. Sorry, Battlewookie.
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Do you believe Kreia is Arren Kae?
Dark Moth replied to Sikon's topic in Star Wars: General Discussion
Aaah...I see the light now. You were joking. Sorry, I'm not with it today. I kind of figured you were, but wasn't sure. I have seen people say similar things in the past and they were serious, too. Now, thanks to you, this thread might get locked if Battlewookie is doing what I fear he's doing. -
Do you believe Kreia is Arren Kae?
Dark Moth replied to Sikon's topic in Star Wars: General Discussion
Kreia lies, betrays, manipulates, blackmails, (also, remember the scene on Telos where she reads Atton's mind), and also gets into your head more than once, and you say she has never messed with anyone's head?. I know I'm not clinically retarded. Are you? Also, linky. -
Do you believe Kreia is Arren Kae?
Dark Moth replied to Sikon's topic in Star Wars: General Discussion
Please tell me you're joking. -
KotoR 3: Ideas and Suggestions
Dark Moth replied to Fionavar's topic in Star Wars: General Discussion
As much as I like Monty Python, please keep the spam, spam, glorious spam out of this thread, lest you be pelted with dead animals by French knights. -
The Star Forge was a place that corrupted Jedi. Revan had several places he used to break Jedi - places of intense dark power - the Star Forge and Malachor V were two of them. And the game never explains why the hell the exile and Revan have to face the true Sith alone. It doesn't even make sense, if you think about it. Two people can't hope to defeat them alone. I guess it's all going to be explained in K3 (if it ever comes out).
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Dave Maldonado working on StarCraft: Ghost
Dark Moth replied to funcroc's topic in Computer and Console
Yay! Some news! I'm still looking for a release date. I've been waiting for that %@ game to come out for years. I'm a big Starcraft fan. -
Do you believe Kreia is Arren Kae?
Dark Moth replied to Sikon's topic in Star Wars: General Discussion
Explain why Empire Strikes Back doesn't come out and say Leia is Luke's sister then. They dropped hints leading up to that, but using your theory then they would have said so at the end of ESB otherwise that's "proof". Sure no one dies like Kreia did, but the point is a story string was still left hanging despite clues being dropped about it, and despite the fact it was never resolved at the end of the movie. If KOTOR2 is just the middle game in the series (like many suspect), then everything doesn't need to be wrapped up at the end, despite the death of the character. Handmaiden could just find out later about it after Kreia's death. I don't personally think Kreia is, but your "proof" is weak at best. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I never said that was proof, I was just using that as an example. <_< If you look at the canon, it says Kreia was a historian/Jedi Master, Kae was a Jedi Knight. If I ever find a link, I'll post it. And I don't think even Obsidian would be as shallow to use the "I am your parent!" theme over again. And it wouldn't make sense for them to try to wrap that up in K3, it's not important enough. And Handmaiden is an optional character, so if you played a female, then you would have heard nothing of Kae and she would be of practically zero importance, anyway. I think people who think Kreia was Handmaiden's mom are just digging to deep in the storyline, trying to tie up loose ends that aren't there. The only reason Kae was mentioned was so that Handmaiden would be force-sensitive and have a reason to be converted. And if you listen to the dialogue when you ask Brianna (Handmaiden) about her mother, one of the dialogue options is something like "She was one of the Jedi who died...good riddance." Nay. Kreia wasn't Kae. I can't exactly prove it, but I still thinks so. By the way, here's a link to a sight with some info about Kreia. It might answer some questions. -
KotoR 3: Ideas and Suggestions
Dark Moth replied to Fionavar's topic in Star Wars: General Discussion
Aaahh...I see now. Cool idea. Only other problem I'd have with that is that the game would eventually end up taking place over 20 years after K2 (after your character grows up), but that's my preference. I'd rather have it take place sooner. Unless, maybe, the prologue took place during either K1 or K2, that might make it interesting. -
@Darkside: We fanboys love Master Chief, too! Here's another one of my favorites.
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Don't be so sure. There seems to be unusually high fanboy activity on this thread recently. ^_^ :ph34r: I do love liz hurley, though. Darth Launch seems to be upset with us fanboys... :ph34r: