Jediphile

Why? That doesn't seem particularly interesting to me. Dagobah is just a swamp with little to do, and voicing acceptance for Revan's the Exile's homeworlds without even knowing what they are seems, well, odd to me. I do agree about Coruscant, though. We also desperately need to see some of the true Sith worlds. I'd prefer Khar Shian, Thule, and definitely Ziost.

consoles suck

I don't agree. I want turn-based combat to stay. How well a battle goes should be determined by the skills I'm building for my character, not how good I am at pushing buttons - that's what FPS is for. I'd agree more that the turn-based combat, as it is now, could use improvement and be better implemented, though. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Then it should be a FPS. I believe speed is the most important skill needed in battle. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Fair enough in the jedi knight games. Not okay in KotOR. KotOR is a CRPG, not a FPS, and I want it to remain as such.

Boy, that's a tough question... I think I might say X-Wing Alliance. That's just a great game. Lacks the plot-interaction of KotOR, of course, but then KotOR is based on d20, which automatically removes points in my book

She is hot on the promo art, but sadly not in the game <{POST_SNAPBACK}> True. She's very cold. Must be from living in the polar region...

You have to build some influence with him first, or it won't come up. You should also have a decent amount, or your influence check will fail every time.

Revan was powerful in the force and he was a master strategist. He could corrupt the jedi because he used the mystic powers of Malachor V as a conversion tool. This sort of plotting is what Revan is notorious for, and why he is a master strategist. But he was no breach in the force as the Exile was. Note that Revan himself rather conveniently did "not arrive in time" for that final battle. No doubt also planning on his part, since he knew what would happen.

You didn't miss anything - we're never told.

I don't agree. I want turn-based combat to stay. How well a battle goes should be determined by the skills I'm building for my character, not how good I am at pushing buttons - that's what FPS is for. I'd agree more that the turn-based combat, as it is now, could use improvement and be better implemented, though.

Zez-Kai Ell. It's a close call between him and Vash, since she was far more understanding than they others when the Exile was cast out by the council. But I choose Zez-Kai Ell because he alone acknowledges that the masters and their teachings are flawed and that they should share the responsibility for that happened instead of just blaming Revan, Malak, the Exile, and everybody else for everything. And I can't believe anybody voted for Vrook..

Thanks. And you're right that I dont' add a lot of details in places. In some parts that is due to the size the description of the plot would otherwise have, since I know lots of people are put off by lot posts, and I can write very, very long posts. My plot was spread out over five posts that were all very long. But yes, there should obviously be times where Kreia and Malak are mentioned. The masters of K2 should be mentioned, as the Exile's condition is touched upon. But those were the sort of details that can always be added later. Anyway, glad you liked it.

Cripes! Is that Krypto?? Always did like a dog named after the planet he was from... I guess we'll be hearing about "Eartho" next... "

Sadly true, though I do think KotOR2 was an extreme example - Lucasarts has taken a lot of flak over its decision to rush the game for the christmas release and then doing nothing to fix the problem. I think they took a few bruises and learned the lesson the hard way. And yet, they still didn't clean up the mess and fix the problem, did they? Actually, I like to think I remain tolerable But yes, the golden age of computer gaming is definitely over. They may have been crap by today's standards, but what they lacked in presentation they certainly had in originality, which is also sadly lakcing today.

Whether you like it or not LS Revan is the cannonical ending. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Uhm, yes... your point being?

What do mean the fights had no point to them????? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Lots of "old-timers" seem to really hate the prequels. Not sure why. And I'm an old-timer myself. Actually, I rather liked that. It was certainly better than TPM (well, maybe not the lightsaber duel...) That's what Obi-Wan says himself, but I'm not so sure that's true. I think Obi-Wan just blames himself, because it gives him some form of control over the situation. Anyway, I don't agree with him. It was Anakin's choice, and that is not Obi-Wan's responsibility. Yes, I loved that battle too. I always though that the Obi-Wan vs. Darth Maul fight was the wildest thing I ever saw and that they would never top that. But when I saw Obi-Wan vs. Anakin, I thought, "holy smokes!!" :cool:

I already wrote his return... And he and Revan did not fight. Well, at least not until very late in the game... " <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I know it's off-topic but could I perhaps get links to these? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> To my own plot, sure. Just be aware of the length - you have been warned

So what you're saying is that Zayne is Zayne? Or is Zayne just sane...

Right where you find a faulty HK-50 droid, right? Yes, they are both (as well as others) very well known, and no, you cannot open them. They're cut content - parts of the game that was unfinished at the time the game was released, and I fear that there is a lot of cut content. If not sooner, you will become very much aware of that toward the end of the game. But not to worry - a group of modders are working to restore the lost material so that it can be played, at least on the pc version. If you want to read about it, you should visit their site, but be warned of spoilers - if you haven't completed the game once yet, then it might be best to stay away until you have.

Short version: "He's too dangerous to be left alive!!" Long version: I guess I just worry that people will want to capture Revan because they don't like the idea of killing an old favorite character, but my position is that if Revan is evil, then you really should have no choice - he's a powerful force for evil, and he will only cause trouble in the long run. So in the LS version, you must kill DS Revan to save the republic, while in the DS version, you have to kill DS Revan because he's too much of a threat to your own power. I want Revan's LS/DS choice to mean something, and if you can just capture him, then you take that away, because it's another way of saying "I'll capture him now so that I can redeem him later" IMHO. That's just running from the sort of hard choice that Revan was prepared to accept. So bite the bullet and kill him off once and for all.

Well, Anakin wiped the floor with Dooku, and then Anakin was defeated by Obi-Wan, so... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Anakin was never beaten by Oafy Wan. Darth Vader wasn't beaten by him. Vader defeated himself. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Why do I get flashes of the black knight cursing King Arthur now...

Well, my plot had you gathering allies along the way and ending up finding both the Exile and later Revan. However, they were both DS because they began a civil war among the true Sith, and you would have to either redeem them (if they were LS in the previous games) or else to kill them. If Revan is DS, then he has succeeded and become the new dark lord of the true Sith, and you must destroy him. The LS version had you redeem both Revan and Exile, so they could join your own ranks, and in the final battle you would then split your party in a way similar to how you did in K2 on Onderon and Dxun, only it would be split in three with Revan, the Exile, and the new character each leading a team in the final battle to save the republic from the true Sith when they made a preemptive attack on Coruscant itself.

I was thinking how GOTO or HK-47 might see M4-78 as a paradise for their own reasons. For GOTO, there are no illogical humanoids left to do stupid, illogical things that interfere with his plans to "save" the galaxy. He might want to reprogram the M4-78 to take control of the planet and run it according to his own interests, much as he tried to do with the droids on Nar Shaddaa. That could be very HAL (from 2001) or even a bit like the tabletop RPG Paranoia :D HK-47 might like it because there are no meatbags pressing their mucus-covered lips against anything, and he could build an entire army to send against erring meatbags and the "sub-standard" copies of himself that are roaming the galaxy with impunity. Hmmm, maybe it makes more sense for GOTO to try something like this. There is nothing like this in the cut stuff, is there?

NOOOOOOOOOOoooooooo..... !!!

No doubt. And I also agree with the Architect and Jediphile that DS Revan shouldn't be redeemable. Another thing I am just thinking about right now is that both LS and DS Revan could have one common goal in their mind which is to wipe out the True Sith Empire. Would there be any possibility that whatever Revans alignment is, the outcome would essentially be the same? I don't know one so far but perhaps someone did. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It seems to me that this was always a secret goal in K2. I mean, K1 ends with very different endings. Either Revan saves the republic, saves the jedi order, saves the galaxy as we know it (again...), and generally defeats evil. Or he destroys the last defenses of the republic, kills all his enemies, seizes ultimate power, and claims the title of dark lord once and for all. We may not seem him conquer the republic, but it scarcely matters, since none can stand in his way now. But since K1 was a self-contained game with no succeeding history to consider, this doesn't matter. Only then something happened. K1 was a huge success. So much so that a sequel became inevitable. Which that the writers now have a problem, because how do you reconcile those *very* different endings of K1 in a way that makes any kind of sense? Well, the only way you can do that is to 'retcon' things a bit... You actually didn't *SEE* DS Revan conquer the republic in the ending of K1, so you can make new assumptions there. Perhaps evil Revan didn't conquer the galaxy. But that still doesn't solve the whole problem - how do you reconcile the very different Revans (LS or DS) of K1? After all, write a game that approaches both possibilities to a massive degree will make it a programming nightmare... So what's the solution? Well, you create a common enemy that both LS and DS Revan would both have to fight for various reasons. Enter the true Sith...