Jediphile

I already wrote his return... And he and Revan did not fight. Well, at least not until very late in the game... "

Oh dear - now you've done it!! [ducks for cover as Revan's angry fanboys swarm...]

Yes. That doesn't add up. If that were true, then the masters would have to cut off his companions from the force as well, and they never even describe that as a problem even though they are apparently fully aware how the Exile forms such bonds with others. Yes. No, I don't think so. Nihilus doesn't form bonds with others as the Exile does, and he doesn't seem to be cut off from the force as the Exile is. He has a similar ability, but he is a true force leech unlike the Exile who is more of a siphon and a bit of a leech. Also, Nihilus has little or no control over his abilities - he reacts instinctively and drains all around him to quench his endless hunger for the force, an attempt that is futile because he can never get enough. Kreia: "And he fed upon its destruction - it will sustain him, for a time.Because it is not something that can ever truly be controlled... and it leaves nothing to conquer in its wake.And it rules him, not the other way around. It has its own will, its own instincts." "Power? Do you think so? You would be wrong. There is no strength in the hunger he possesses... and the will behind his power is a primal thing. And it devours him as he devours others - his mere presence kills all around him, slowly, feeding him. He is already dead, it is simply a question of how many he kills before he falls."

Ack! ur so right, I should have put her instead of Mission or Kreia...hmm mebe ill make another poll then or something...where was she from btw? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hmmm, not actually sure where Nomi is from, but read all about her here.

I wish I'd felt that way. You're right about Revan. He began being your character and ended up being Revan. The Exile, however, didn't begin as my character and never became it for the reason I stated previously K2 has great plot, but the characterization of the Exile as far as making me identify with him is just awful.

Try telling him that to his face...

Hmm, it's no surprise to me that Bastila is winning, but it's interesting that HK-47 and Jolee are tied for second place. I guess I'm not the only one who likes Jolee :cool:

If they just kill him off in the background, then it'll be really disappointing after hearing so much about him in K2...

Actually, this (and several other scenes you mention) were already in the special editions Lucas did 1996 for the original movie's 20th anniversary. Those even made it to the cinema - I saw them all there, before I later bought the tapes with them. Agreed. I wanted that scene back in there, but there is no reason for Boba to be there, since he's a hard bounty hunter who isn't sent hunt Han down until later. Boba's association with Jabba doesn't come about until after Han has "failed" to repay Jabba. Yes. These are all (except Naboo in the celebration of RotJ) from the special editions, but I agree that these scenes were all good.

Agreed. Because while I like the strong plot of K2, the Exile has to be about the worst told PC ever. You're constantly wondering about his backstory, but you're never told and has to learn it as his companions learn it, which is fairly poor storytelling for the character I'm supposed to identify with. It's next to impossible to identify with the Exile when you don't know what he experienced on Malachor, don't know why he chose Exile, don't know his association with Bao-Dur when he suddenly turns up, etc. etc. etc... So I have to choose Revan.

You can also recover vitality by meditating with T3. He also has several secrets to reveal if you build influence with him (including the holographic message by either Bastila or Carth), which - after several increases to T3's stats - ends with a boost to the Exile's Wisdom score. Bloody useful, if you ask me. Besides, I prefer the dependable, trustworthy little T3 to blood-hungry, uncaring HK-47 any day of the week. HK-47 may be fun (you gotta love a droid that can *gulp* ), but I can't trust and could never turn my back on him!

They are not the same. Kreia gives bonus xp (and so is usually in my active group), while the Disciple merely allows you to restore your force points. Damn useful, yes, but not the same.

I see it pretty much the same way. What I would like is essentially the Dark Lord of the true Sith is planning an invasion of the crippled republic. Now, if Revan ended up as LS in K1, then you need to find him, redeem him, and then overthrow the Dark Lord with Revan's help. However, if Revan was DS in K1, then Revan *IS* the Dark Lord of the true Sith, and you have to overthrow him yourself, either to save the republic (LS choice) or to take his place (DS choice).

Sorry, but no. The original Sith species has long since been interbred so much with the dark jedi cast out by the jedi during the Second Great Schism that by the time of the Sith Empire, there were hardly anyone of "pure blood" left. Even if there were, KotOR is a millennium later, and in any event, the Sith species were never a great empire - they were a simple people who became slaves to the dark jedi cast out by the republic, and it was through their powers that they became part of a great empire. There is no "original, mysterious Sith race" with lots of secrets to expose and explore. Those secrets are those that the outcast dark jedi chose to share with the sith species, so if any old secrets exist, then they "belong" to or originate from the original dark jedi, not the sith species. The sith species of that age were nothing but slaves.

Yes, they did. There is some mention of the Sith in K1, yes, but it wasn't until in K2 that this was retconned to mean the true Sith. A good number of K1 fans are still sore about that. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> There are mentions about Ludo Kresh's survivor's in that whatever handbook Personally I believe that Obsidian only gave them the name "True sith". <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes, but Naga Sadow, Marka Ragnos, and Ludo Kressh all hail from the Sith Empire that fell a thousand years before KotOR even begins in the Great Hyperspace War, as chronicled in the "Golden Age of the Sith" and "Fall of the Sith Empire" comic books. We have not heard anything about what these Sith have been doing since then, only seen remnants from their fallen empire.

Yes, they did. There is some mention of the Sith in K1, yes, but it wasn't until in K2 that this was retconned to mean the true Sith. A good number of K1 fans are still sore about that.

I think LA will dictate most of the plot, no matter who gets to develop it. But yes, we need closure to the true Sith plot before we can move on to something else. We're left hanging in K2. To move to something new would be like doing "Empire Strikes Back" without doing "Return of the Jedi" next. Always. I also favor fewer party members, so we don't have useless characters like T3 in K1 and GOTO in K2. Have no more party members than I can have in my group at any one time plus one. The "odd one out" gets to stay and guard the Ebon Hawk (or whatever ship) while the rest are out having fun. Would be nice, but not a priority for me. Solid plot and good characters is far more important to me. I don't agree with that. I thought the Influence system in K2 was a good idea, but I also thought it was badly implemented. It makes no sense that the Handmaiden continues to berate me and lose influence when I do evil things after I've corrupted her to DS mastery. Or conversely, it makes no sense that HK-47 demoans the lack of violence and loses influence after I've given him LS mastery (and I did ). If they can fix that, then I want the Influence system in there. Because to me it's not a question of Revan being more charismatic or Exile being more influential - to me people always influence each other, and so it's okay to make a system that reflects that.

Yes. I actually prefer a lower number of companions that are exceedingly well characterized in K3. I don't want more characters than I can have in my part at one time. If I can have only two companions with me, then I want only two in the game. Well, maybe what I can have with me plus one, so that one can be left out for "looking after the Ebon Hawk" or whatever. It's an excuse, but I'd buy it in that case. I won't buy it if six out of eight companions stay on the ship simply because the game won't allow me to bring them along. The worst part of K2 was when you encountered Bao-Dur and had to throw either Kreia or Atton out of the group, because you could have only two people in the group with the Exile at point, and Bao-Dur had to be there. I always threw Atton out, but what did he do during that time? He just followed us half a mile's distance or what? That's just silly... I actually more get the impression that want it to be huge in scope. You know, shattering the galaxy, deciding fates for millions of people, etc. K2 is almost a secret war, which is what I think people want to move away from - the secret war has to be exposed. I agree with that. But yes, quality over quantity. Always. (chases after The Architect with a pitchfork)

Since we've already had twi'leks, I think there should be Zeltrons They'd please the fanboys since they have enormous... ahem, ratings, and so can certainly ignite a few... ahem, lightsabers... And we know there are Zeltrons in the KotOR era since we already met one. Remember Luxa?

I guess we all played Trade Federation in the opening mission of Battlefront: "Meesa gonna die" - go on and admit it, we all loved turning those annoying gungans into cold, dead corpses!! THAT was good fun, and is probably the real reason why Battlefront was the best-selling Star Wars game

Skip the trolling. We're already stocked up.

My point exactly. And yes, it's changed on purpose, because Lucas felt that Han firing first made Han too callous a character. He basically murders Greedo after all, even if there are extenuating circstances (seeing as how Greedo would otherwise have killed Han). But Lucas apparently felt that Han killing Greedo in cold blood to save his own skin (see the "Behind the Scenes bit here) made Han too much of a villain, and so he had it changed :angry: And yes, it is terrible :'(

I second that eyeroll. Not that I don't like Revan or anything, but I personally think that the reason that so many people like Revan over any other Jedi/Sith is that they played Revan . I admire the Exile much more, because s/he chose (whether consciously or not) to live completely, without the Force. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Precisely. The fanboys played Revan and so identify with him, and therefore Revan *MUST* be this tactical supra-genius who alone among all jedi or sith in the entire galaxy ever understood what was really going on and was the only one who had the courage, determination, and resolve to do *the one thing* that had to be done to stop the true Sith... That all has an uncomfortable sense of narcissism expressed through Revan, I think It also dehumanizes Revan, since he becomes like this perfect machine who can do no wrong ever instead of being a credible character Not sure which of the two is worse, but they are both bad IMHO :ph34r:

Well, since the game scales the opposition to your level, gaining more levels really shouldn't make any difference... Unless you needed a specific power or so, that is.

Sure they are