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[MECHANICS] The Big "Attack Speed" Conundrum

Mechanics Attack Speed Recovery Base Values

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Was kinda lazy to add checks around durganized fists, long pain + shield and such combinations. But finally did it. We have fists now :)
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Coolio!

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very nice. 

 

Still if you ever find the drive there are still some missing features:

 

Drop down - quick-search filter select of all "weapons" in the game (including summoned/spell equivalents/ shape-shift forms/ ranger pets ) - don't need to add them all at once.  And all the class combat damage relevant perks. This would allow you to calculate single target DPS (all graze/all hits & all crits DPS). 

 

And then of course you need to be able to compare (multiple) different setups and ability to save load-ups and share them easily (load up the different choices in the URL perhaps) ..  

 

This would result in a great off-game character/party planner/builder .. 


Edited by peddroelm, 15 April 2017 - 10:12 PM.


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Hi Maxquest, can you change the speed calculator to allow up to 43 DEX?
I believe wood-elf/godlike ciphers can achieve this with deadfire archipelago (+1), wild leech (+10), food buff (+2), rest bonus (+3), prostitute bonus (+2), viettro's boots (+4), skaen's boon (+1), and effigy's resentment (+1) and wanted to play around with a machine gun build by reducing action by 99% and using an arquebus. It may be worth using other firearms and even a priest with minor avatar or a wizard with martial power instead of wild leech due to diminishing returns of action speed decrease from dexterity (due to ~5 frame inter-action delay). Using your calculator would save me from multiple complex calculations.
Many thanks for your hard work on it so far: it's a fantastic tool.

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Sure, why not.

Increased max DEX up to 43.

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How come no1 Made (Based on this Data) an Excel calculator for This? Pretty annoying to do it all by hands. Or Can some1 Share His selfmade?

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How come no1 Made (Based on this Data) an Excel calculator for This? Pretty annoying to do it all by hands. Or Can some1 Share His selfmade?


Maxquest has shared all the speed calculations, so there is nothing stopping you from making an excel spreadsheet if you would like.

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Before complaining, look at MaxQuest's signature!

He made an excellent webapp. Far better than crappy spreadsheets.

Edited by Boeroer, 30 May 2017 - 10:25 PM.


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first of all sorry im toto stupid to realize it was on the very top of his post lol. too big :)

ok now i can calculate very good the attack speed

so let's say i have 200 frames and 10-20 dmg (average 15); do you count it this way: "my dps is 15/200"?
(you probably see, im a big PoE noob)

 

also do we know anything about enemy DRs?



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so let's say i have 200 frames and 10-20 dmg (average 15); do you count it this way: "my dps is 15/200"?

Vs 0 DR and assuming that all attacks were resolved as HIT, yes, your auto-attack dps will be 15/200 damage-per-frame, or 450/200 damage-per-second.

Vs higher DR (that is not covered by DR penetration) it's more complicated, as at least 20% of (non-lash) damage will always go through.
For example you hit an enemy with 10DR:
10 -> 2
11 -> 2.2
12 -> 2.4
13 -> 3
14 -> 4
15 -> 5
16 -> 6
17 -> 7
18 -> 8
19 -> 9
20 -> 10

58.6/11 = 5.327

So your average 15 vs 0 DR, becomes 5.327 vs 10 DR.
That's for HITs.
And it becomes more complicated if we start taking misses, grazes and crits into account, their damage modifiers, and also attack quality conversions: graze-to-hit, hit-to-crit and so on.
 

also do we know anything about enemy DRs?

For the main game, there is this table
For expansions through, there is no list I am aware of. Although you can take a look into in-game bestiary; and unlock the entries if need be via console (iroll20s -> UnlockBestiary).

Edited by MaxQuest, 01 June 2017 - 01:31 AM.


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Just now stumbled upon this thread.  SO INCREDIBLY USEFUL!   Thank you!


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Anyone know what 'type' of attack speed the speed bonus from Spelltongues attack speed drain is? After looking around on the attack speed calculator I saw I could get quite fast attack speed with Spelltongue + Dragons Maw while still wearing Vambraces and having Vulnerable Attack (in my quest to give up neither defense, burst damage with HoF, or sustained damage), but that's assuming it stacks multiplicatively with Frenzy and Bloodlust like Gauntlets of Swift Action.



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The Spelltongue bonus is tricky.

When you hit the enemy, you get a Spelltongue Buff, and the target is affected by Spelltongue Debuff.

Spelltongue Buff belongs to AttackSpeedMult category and it stacks with everything. (and yeap, it stacks multiplicatively with Frenzy, Bloodlust and Gauntlets of Swift Action)
Also since it is a buff, it basically affects both weapons (if you dual-wield), and spellcasting speed as well.

There is a problem though, if you durganize your Spelltongue, it will stop applying the Buff completely; and will keep only debuffing the enemy. (see related bug report).

P.S. Atm the workaround is:
- keep Spelltongue non-durganized.
- make few attacks with it
- switch to other weapons

Edited by MaxQuest, 29 July 2017 - 02:13 AM.

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There is a problem though, if you durganize your Spelltongue, it will stop applying the Buff completely

 

Welp.







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